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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 05:30 PM
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“People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders” J.P. Morgan
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 05:35 PM by McCamy Taylor
The attribution of the following quote has been debated. There is no debating the sentiment it expresses.

Capital must protect itself in every way...Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd.
-J.P. Morgan


I. The State of Our Depression


Welcome to the State of Our Depression. Since you can not have an economic towering inferno without statistics, here are some numbers. According to the layoff tracker at Forbes , the nation’s Fortune 500 companies have laid off 684,531 since Nov. 1, 2008.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/17/layoff-tracker-unemployement-lead-cx_kk_1118tracker.html?partner=popstories

Funny choice for a starting date. It would seem that the good folks at Forbes intend to pin Our Depression on Obama, who is so all powerful that he began to shape U.S. economic policy two full months before he was sworn into office.

They are not alone. In this video, conservative talking points du jour chef, George Will proclaims that the current economic crisis was manufactured by the Obama administration which is guilty of overspending.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201002180053

I guess Will missed this speech by former President George W. Bush from 2008. See if you can spot the key word, repeated 7 times in the first minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQumu6hbXl4

That’s right. Crisis. Way before Obama moved into the White House and started handing out nickels and dimes to the unemployed, Bush announced to the world that we were in a crisis And then he handed over hundreds of billions to the banksters, all in the name of averting the crisis . But nothing was averted, except maybe universal health care which we can no longer afford, because of our huge deficit. Just how much debt did W. buy us? According to MSN Money, $11.5 trillion . Almost half of that was money spent to prop up the banksters. The whole Afghanistan/Iraq quagmire only cost half as much. Tax cuts for the rich, which are the least effective way of stimulating the economy (even defense spending is better) racked up $2 trillion in additional debt.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/cost-of-the-bush-era-11-point-5-trillion.aspx

Anyone who studies Bush era economic policy can see that there were two plans. One was to pump a lot of cash quickly into the pocketbooks of Bush buddies, like Ken Lay and Jack Abramoff. The second was to bankrupt the American taxpayer, following the template laid down by Grover Norquist way back in 2001 (yes, we were warned).

"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years," he says, "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010514/dreyfuss

Norquist uses a different dictionary than the rest of us. For him “cut government in half” does not mean cut government in half. It means increase government debt, as with the multitrillion dollar Bush tax cuts and free pork giveaway. The part about drowning the government in a bathtub means just what it says---

II. The State of Our Depression, Part 2

But I digress. Today, I am writing about Depression , which has two very different meanings that are related in a very real way.

Research has long shown that home ownership correlates strongly with good health — home owners generally have higher incomes, health insurance coverage rates and lower rates of depression.

But — none too surprisingly — when homes go into foreclosure, homeowners’ mental and physical health suffers, according to new research.

More than a third of people going through foreclosure met screening criteria for “major depression,” according to a study from Craig Evan Pollack and Julia Lynch of the University of Pennsylvania. Their research also found that foreclosed-upon people were significantly more likely to lack health insurance or avoid filling prescriptions because of cost.

http://blogs.wsj.com/wallet/2009/08/25/home-foreclosures-and-depression/tab/article/

Thirty-three percent of folks that lose their home are depressed. That is three times the national rate for the disease. And many of these people can not afford treatment.

What does it mean to be depressed? Here is a description from the American Psychological Association webpage.

Depression is more than just sadness. People with depression may experience a lack of interest and pleasure in daily activities, significant weight loss or gain, insomnia or excessive sleeping, lack of energy, inability to concentrate, feelings of worthlessness or excessive guilt and recurrent thoughts of death or suicide


http://www.apa.org/topics/depress/index.aspx

What does this mean for our democracy? People who lack energy are unlikely to volunteer for political causes. They are less likely to write letters to the editor or to phone their Congressman. People who can not concentrate will have a more difficult time being “vigilant”, as Our Founders required.

”Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty”


They may not pay much attention to what is going on in Washington. If they take an interest in current events they may let the corporate media, Fox and Co., tell them what to think.

Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh continue to suggest that President-elect Barack Obama is to blame for the decline in the stock market, referring to the state of the stock market as an "Obama recession." In fact, analysts have refuted the proposition that the market decline has anything to do with anticipation of Obama's presidency


http://mediamatters.org/research/200811120011

Note the date of the above Media Matters report. 2008 . If you let Fox be vigilant for you, then you know that Obama started the recession before he ever took office.

Folks who feel “worthless” probably do not believe that they deserve health care or better schools for their kids or decent work conditions. They are more likely to be grateful for the crumbs tossed down to them from their corporate masters’ tables.

Those who feel “guilty” may nod their heads when the corporate media tells them that they are to blame for the mortgage crisis. The bankster offered them adjustable rate mortgages, when they would have qualified for fixed rate mortgages, because he recognized some flaw in their character, i.e. gullibility. They may feel ashamed of receiving unemployment benefits, even though they contributed to the pool of money from which those benefits are being drawn. When Jim Bunning tells them that the nation can not afford to help them in their time of need, they may believe him---even though they are the nation, and their prosperity is the nation’s prosperity. For people who are depressed do not feel connected. They are alone, cut adrift. And as the Founders also told us

We must hang together or we will hang separately.


What is the result? From November, 2009:

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday morning indicates that 38 percent of the public blames Republicans for the country's current economic problems. That's down 15 points from May, when 53 percent blamed the GOP. According to the poll 27 percent now blame the Democrats for the recession, up 6 points from May. Twenty-seven percent now say both parties are responsible for the economic mess.
"The bad news for the Democrats is that the number of Americans who hold the GOP exclusively responsible for the recession has been steadily falling by about two to three points per month," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "At that rate, only a handful of voters will blame the economy on the Republicans by the time next year's midterm elections roll around

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/20/cnn-poll-blame-for-recession-shifting-from-gop-to-democrats/?fbid=Ce8phHL44Uj

You got that? Voters chose the Democrats, overwhelming in 2008, because they blamed the GOP for our financial crisis. If they accept CNN's message and blame the newly elected Democrats, they are really blaming themselves. Guilt, confusion, helplessness.

This is the America of J P Morgan's dreams.


III. A Method to Their Madness

The banksters are crazy. They have to be crazy. There is no logic behind their actions. They beg for handouts, promising that this will free up credit, and then they keep credit tight. They foreswear big bonuses and then they pay out big bonuses. They cut deals with Washington to keep us in our homes and then they kick us out of our homes. Do they think that no one is watching? Do they they think that our political leaders will not feel the voter backlash and check their greedy habits?

Yeah, that is exactly what they think. For “leaders”, as J P Morgan meant it, is not the politicians who are elected or selected to public office. W. was never the Decider. He was just the errand boy assigned to take all the hate. "Leaders" refers to the nation’s elite businessmen, the Rockefellers and the Morgans, the ones who direct Washington from behind the scenes. Their voice has become more powerful, now that we have the corporate media rather than many small independents sources of news. For instance, Time-Warner/CNN, which tells us that we now blame Democrats just as much as Republicans for our current economic woes is one of the "leaders". Everything it whispers is a variation of We have always been at war with Oceana ---we are just too depressed to notice it.

So, what is the Big Lie 2010? We will destroy our economy if we try to fix it. If the corporate media tells Americans that they are suffering because someone in Washington is trying to alleviate their suffering (through unemployment benefits or universal health care), the majority us will still recognize this for the bullshit it is. But an increasing number of us are growing tired, dispirited, confused. Too weak in spirit to quarrel with our unelected leaders. And with elections in this country as close as they have been in recent years, only a small percentage of Americans have to buy what Fox News is selling to completely change the direction of our country.

J P Morgan Sr. would be proud of what he wrought. According to this story from 2009, Chase Morgan subsidiaries continued to foreclose on homes even after they (pretended to) agreed to a foreclosure freeze.

So now, in addition to using TARP money to buy jets, throw parties, redecorate offices and bailout the NBA before lending money to struggling small businesses and helping homeowners (the purpose of the TARP funds), it looks like the greedy fathers of the financial industry in America are looking the other way as their wholly-owned subsidiary children continue to rob us blind

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-havey/jp-morgan-chase-continues_b_170423.html

Since then, things have only gotten worse.

For nine months, Deb Franklin said, she did exactly what JP Morgan Chase and President Barack Obama told her to do. She made her mortgage payments on time, delivered via Western Union, after they were reduced from $1,433 to $1,233 through Obama's Making Home Affordable program. After three payments, the mortgage relief was supposed to become permanent, but a maddening string of paperwork headaches landed her in limbo. Then, on the day after Christmas, a "bomb dropped" on her life.
A letter from a law firm representing Chase said the bank had begun foreclosure proceedings against her.
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Some 4 million American homeowners qualify for the Making Home Affordable program, and around 850,000 of them have been offered lower payments on a trial basis, according to the Treasury Department. Enrollees see their mortgage payments reduced to 31 percent of their income through interest rate reductions, fee waivers and lengthening of mortgage terms. Entrants are told that if they make three "temporary" modification payments on time, they will qualify for permanent relief. But as of December, only 66,000 had seen their mortgage permanently modified – a number dwarfed by the 2.8 million foreclosures completed last year.

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2010/01/for-nine-months-deb-franklin-says-she-did-exactly-what-jp-morgan-chase-and-president-barack-obama-told-her-to-do-she-made.html

Almost 3 million foreclosures in one year. That is an extra 600,000 depressed citizens of voting age. The margin in the 2000 presidential election was only 500,000 (in Gore's favor). More than enough to tip an election.

Wake up America. The banksters, including the criminals at Morgan Chase, do not want to keep us in our homes. They want us out of our homes and on the streets, up to our eyeballs in medical debt that we will pay off with credit cards. It is all spelled out in Morgan's manifesto. A nation of homeless, starving, undereducated workers is the key to success if you are a corporate fascist who wants to “govern the world”.

IV. Prescription for What Ails Us

By now, we all know how to save our democracy.

1. Campaign spending limits and publically financed elections.

2. Universal healthcare.

3. A truly public broadcasting network like the BBC.

4. Prosecution of corporate criminals.

5. Straight talk from our elected leaders.

We have had this prescription in our hands for literally years. When will we get around to filling it?


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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 05:32 PM
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1. True. They will probably hang them. nt
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:46 PM
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49. After the rich try and scam them on rope prices!
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 05:34 PM
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2. He was very wrong; "The wise man leads by filling bellies and emptying envies."--Lao Tzu
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 05:35 PM by AlienGirl
People about to lose everything are as dangerous as a wounded bear; a crowd of such people as deadly as a herd of bison.

Tucker
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rooftoprevolutionary Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 05:49 PM
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3. if you have nothing, you've got nothing to lose
i'd have to agree with you - you'd think people would be more comfortable and acquiescent when they've got a house over their heads. however, at this point, it's not like many people are rising up against their leaders anyway, so maybe they've got gold both ways...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 10:48 AM
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30. Freedom is just another term for nothing left to lose. nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:31 PM
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34. Ah Yes... Janis Joplin... How Prophetic... No Sarcasm Intended Just That
I RESEMBLE that remark!! Here's another one... You've (We've) Lost That Loving Feeling!

I believe it was the Righteous Brothers who sang that one a long time ago! I WAS very young and not sure if I'm correct about them! Seems like it was them though!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:10 PM
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37. Not to be a dick but that wasn't really Janis.. She just sang it
those words belong to the immortal Kris Kristofferson...

(sorry, musician and roadie, just like to see credit go to the right people) :toast:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 04:34 PM
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55. No Offense Taken... Credit Given Where Due... I Just Remember Janis
and it struck a "chord" with me! Thanks for the info!

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 07:23 PM
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19. Amen....Russia 1917 .Brutal Quick Decisive...!.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:00 PM
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44. +1
And that's the only way any change will happen.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:37 PM
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47. Yeah, but look at the aftermath....
... sometimes the cure is no worse than the disease.

A revolution with an actual game plan though....
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 11:10 PM
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20. I was thinking that myself. One thing these RW pundits keep forgetting
Is that the Second Amendment allows us to own guns.

Even Richard Nixon was smart enough to listen to advisers who taught him well. He was told NOT to cut back on things like AFDC, as that would mean more riots in the streets. And not to have all the American troops deployed over in Southeast Asia.

So that advice was followed, not out of compassion for the poor, or to stop the bloodshed in Vietnam, but to ensure that there was no uprising here.

The leaders since seem to have forgotten those things.
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:19 AM
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22. my favorite reference would be the french revolution
In France Bastille Day is celebrated as a national holiday - with joyous cries of "Viva la France!" to mark the storming of the Bastille in Paris on July 14, 1789.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:35 PM
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46. The issue of JP Morgan's quote is not wether is right or wrong.... but the contempt it shows towards
the common person. Governments should have started issue money sans interest from the very beginning. Then parasites like this Morgan feller would have had to get an actual job.

Also I think it was another one of his pals who said the following gem: "Depressions and recessions are the times when assets return to their rightful owners: the super wealthy."

I am ever so glad we decided as a society to base our whole existence on a psychotic system dominated by sociopaths.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:37 PM
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48. love this response. Thank you!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 05:56 PM
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4. proving that wealth != intelligence
by any stretch.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:00 PM
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5. KR+13! Great post.

:kick:
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:01 PM
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6. Yeah, but ask the Bourbon family if it's possible to push the peasants too far.
It's a fine line between squeezing as much money and power out of the masses as possible, and pushing them into a situation where they will retaliate. Unfortunately, I think our corporatocracy is too stupid to realize where that line is drawn anymore.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:06 PM
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7. No expert in French history, but suspect the French non royal nobility
may have had a vested interest in seeing the monarchy overthrown. In France, much more than in England, the crown waged an economic war with the nobles---the same people who would later become the ultra-rich capitalists of modern France.

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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:08 PM
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8. No doubt you are correct, which doesn't invalidate my main point...
The ultra-rich are playing a dangerous game, and they don't even realize it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:19 PM
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10. Yep. Russia should be a warning, as should China. If things get bad enough
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 06:20 PM by McCamy Taylor
here, there is no telling what could happen. Russia and China are the two last places on earth anyone would have expected to go communist. I think in both cases, the lack of a powerful corporate class may have contributed. Countries with lots of wealthy capitalists seem to have done better at preventing or hijacking revolution. However, most of them have had the sense to move towards socialism, as a way to keep up worker productivity and buying capacity. The U.S. seems to think that it can prosper with a nation full of serfs. Reduce us to what workers were in Russia, and we will go the way of Russia.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:26 PM
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12. How about collecting a list? France, Russia, China...where else?
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 06:33 PM by AlienGirl
England in the 1300s, Haiti, where else?

Tucker
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:31 PM
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15. Start with Great Britain in the 17th century and then next stop is USA, 1776.
Capitalism breeds revolution.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:27 PM
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14. It's not the U.S. that thinks it will prosper it's Bilderberg
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 05:44 PM
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57. The ultra rich
have secure estates overseas. They pay for armed private security. The game they play is no longer so dangerous as in the past. They are secure behind their walls and their money is secure.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:33 PM
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16. A lot of the french noblility lost their heads also
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 06:34 PM by Confusious
Even people who started the revolution lost their heads in the "reign of terror" i.e. Robespierre

So no, I don't think the nobility wanted to see that.

Besides, there isn't much french nobility left. ( I mean marquis, etc. )

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:24 PM
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38. Nuh uh. It was the rising bourgeoisie.
In both Russia and France revolutions occurred after a relaxation of restrictions. In Russia, the serfs got a tiny taste of freedom. In France, the merchant middle class wanted more say since they were making the money.

In France the nobility derived its power from the monarchy by feudal hierarchy. Destroy the monarchy, destroy the legitimacy of the nobility. Which is what the revolution did.

It was always odd to me that the successful revolutions did not come from the crushed and downtrodden but from people who had finally been allowed SOME and decided they wanted MORE.

Here, the Civil War empowered women who had to run things while the War sucked men out of their lives like a hoover. Especially, women organized themselves to provide mass care for the wounded. They nursed with Florence Nightingale as their role model. They became professionals. Today we use the internet to connect families. Back then, women organized to write letters for men with bandaged stumps. Which gained the loyalty of those men and their families. They began organizing social care in the filthy teeming cities. Politicians began to notice that the women who provided social help to the needy could influence those people. I know a woman in the Bronx today who aids battered women. She's on NYC tv whenever somebody needs to be asked how Bronx people feel. It was whispered to me that no politician in the area has a prayer without her support.

So women got a taste of running organizations and decided they were capable of running their lives. Thus women's rights, a whole nuther revolution.

So the bastard who made the statement about the crushed and hopeless not fighting wasn't really wrong. But he didn't allow for the ebb and flow which would allow one spark of freedom to blaze into bloody massacres and guillotines. All he could think was keep 'em permanently crushed. You can't. One good Black Death and suddenly power shifts all over the place. A good government doesn't allow any situation to become that extreme.


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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:47 PM
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50. The French aristocracy was heavily targeted by the revolution...
... a lot of the capitalists which filled the power void, were not aristocrats.

In fact, capitalism in its proper context is really the replacement of the old feudal power structures, with similar ones controlled by bankers/financiers. There are a lot of commonalities: the monarchy used an invisible being in the sky as the justification for their power, in the same sense that financiers justify an invisible hand of an abstract entity like the "market" as their justification for their power and influence. In fact, our modern lives are no different from the lives of the serfs of yore: spend most of our waking ours working for somebody else, still forced to comply with arbitrary power structures, unmitigated repression against anyone who dares rocking the boat, etc.

Most people are conditioned to think that gadgets and entertainment made the difference between modern and old societies... but it is the social structures of power which do. And frankly, one could make a similar piramidal power structure between an old feudal castle, and a modern corporation. And that is no coincidence.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:08 PM
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9. K&R.
Happy to help your thread.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:24 PM
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11. K&R
"I now have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is the greatest foe. The Government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power." ~ Abraham Lincoln


- We've constantly being warned, over and over again......
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:27 PM
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13. Great post. K&R'd.
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Raston Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 06:54 PM
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17. Great post, thank you for the reference information (No Text)


- Raston


"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 07:00 PM
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18. I don't believe it.
People who have neither jobs nor homes have nothing better to do.

Q3JR4.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 11:59 PM
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21. Reveals the core strategy behind the RW drive towards totalitarian capitalism
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 12:37 AM by guruoo


People that are forced to work two, three jobs just to exist will be less likely to have the time, energy, and funds left
to effectively advocate in their own behalf.


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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:36 AM
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23. "principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism"
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 03:47 AM by GreenTea
"principle men" was this fucker for real?

Talk about believing ones own press clippings....these fucking elitist republican capitalist, the pig JP Morgan really believed they were fucking noble and anointed, believing that it was their destiny because they were special to rule & exploit, that they were actually better than other humans as if they were made of something more magnificent than the poor bastard in the street....simply because they owned things....So it justifies the republicans elitist corporate ideology in their minds (fascism)...."By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies" Divide & conquer, the cornerstone of the republican party....Republicans have always believed & practiced this shit to the "T"!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 05:47 AM
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24. "My name is Morgan, but it ain't J.P."
My name is Morgan, but it ain't J. P.
There is no bank on Wall Street that belongs to me.
You may have known me pretty long,
But you sure have got my initials wrong;
My name is Morgan, but it ain't J. P."

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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 09:35 AM
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25. Prescription Supplement
Change the way money is created. In our system, money is created by the banking system (yes, really, very much like in the children's book Mary Poppins) to benefit the bankers. Change it to a system that benefits the people.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_doYllBk5No .

“The benefits of money creation belong to the public. At present, money is created not for the benefit of society but for the profit of private banks. . . . The more we borrow into existence, the more interest the bank gets to collect . . . . In the process, the banks gain more control over everybody.”
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 04:59 PM
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56. if you could
express this sentiment without resorting to video (some of us have dialup connections) that'd be great...

:)


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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 06:06 PM
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58. These videos explain how money that the banks "lend" out . . .
comes into existence in being lent. The videos explain how the system is doomed to crash because it requires ever-expanding amounts of money and natural resources to keep itself going.

Non-video refs:

http://www.moneyasdebt.net/

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/719/how-much-money-is-there

For more info you might google "fractional reserve system."

When I was a kid my father told me banks create money by lending it and I didn't believe him.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 09:38 AM
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26. JP Morgan was a classist, racist, sexist pig
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 10:04 AM
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27. Thank you for this thoughtful and insightful post.
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 10:04 AM by HCE SuiGeneris
:thumbsup:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 10:04 AM
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28. K&R. .
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 10:09 AM by Overseas
The conditions you describe, the results of Republicanism, were a large part of why I so thoroughly hoped for a 21st century green FDR.

Republican policies had driven our country off moral and economic cliffs. Millions of us voted to unseat them.

Right after the Bush Crash and Bush Bankers' Bailout would have been a great time for Medicare for All. I really thought Democrats would finally have the courage to reclaim their legacy of designating part of the taxes we all pay to provide basic compassion to our people. To expand the successful Medicare program to cover all who wanted it.

I had hoped for a time-out for the GOP, at the very least. They destroyed our economy and national security and millions crossed party lines to vote them out.

It has been very demoralizing to watch that grand opportunity and the desperation of majorities in our country ignored in favor of pretending Republicans had anything useful to say. Big blow to my naive hopes for our future.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 10:48 AM
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29. BIG Brother is "Too Big To Fail"
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 10:51 AM by Hubert Flottz
And so is Poppy Bush's "New World Order"

Slavery was JP's idea of a good time for the working class "Untermenschen" With his wealth came the idea that he was one of the master race and that normal Americans were nothing more than beasts of burden. Look at your kids and your grandchildren. Do you want them to fit into JP Morgan's idea Of what America should be like for "the common herd," or do you agree with:::

Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)

The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. Read More...

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html


Those "World Orders" are all the same old shit! Hitler wanted to "Rule The World" too.

The people who own the GOP want to create a world of masters and musselmanner.

"Free Trade" instead of Fair Trade, is the reason for the bleeding of jobs. The Superbanksters are bleeding America dry. When American workers get to the point that they will work for the wages people earn in China, the jobs will return. It's all about busting the unions and with that busting the middle class. The rich people cry about "Class Warfare" but at the same time, it's what they have ALWAYS, been all about.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:59 AM
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33. Thanks for posting this
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:49 PM
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42. true
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:13 AM
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31. Good explanation of why morgan is mad....
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:57 AM
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32. "By dividing the people we can get them
to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us." Is it sheer convenience that socially divisive issues like abortion and gun control are being thrown up NOW, when Americans are reeling from an economic collapse and being urged to do nothing, to do less than nothing -- weaken government and back insurance companies over their own interests?

This is the insrance policy against the risk of backing people into a corner and beating them down. People with "nothing left to lose" will lash out. But if you confuse them about who to lash out AT, you've got chaos, which ensures nothing will change.

Great post.
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:08 PM
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35. Without a legal address, can the homeless even vote?? (nt)
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:10 PM
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36. Anyone Who Doesn't Think That Rationale Is Part of the Higher Education Industry
Is still wearing blinders.

Nothing like being a 22 YO with 80k debt to get you on the right path ....
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:24 PM
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39. Well said as always MT. Thanks for this. Depressing, but thanks
:)
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:31 PM
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40. I realized this in the 1980s. People struggling to survive are easy to control.
That's when I realized it was all being done deliberately.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:44 PM
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41. K & R....
For a little over a year now I have been posting and screaming that the Democrats MUST NAME this depression.
As long as it isnt named the right can twist it around like they are trying to do now and hang it on Obamas shoulders.
This is THE GREAT REPUBLICAN FUCKUP...lets find a name and MAKE IT STICK!!
One of my favorites would be to call it "The Great Bush Crash and Burn."
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:57 PM
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43. I used to love her on "The Match Game"
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:30 PM
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45. My solution...for what it is worth.
Organize the homeless who have been kicked out of there homes into a union that takes back farmland.
A group of the homeless move on to land owned by banks or corporations and squats and claims it for themselves establishing a community. they could then grow their own food and would never be homeless again and would never be dependant on the financial system.
If millions of homeless people did this and claimed the legal right to do it because only people have the right to own land and corporations are not people it could stir up some shit that the wealthy would have a hard time dealing with.

I have always claimed that people are poor because they have no land.
And at the heart of this financial crises is the fact that the banks want the property and that is why they are foreclosing when it is not necessary.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:47 PM
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51. One more bit of support for the idea that this is a corporatocracy
When I tell people that, from the left and the right, nearly everyone agrees with that idea. When will they start to do something? I can't even get people sign petitions, show up at bargaining, join local dem groups...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 04:05 PM
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52. Thank you for posting this. We forget just how long they've been playing us.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 04:11 PM
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53. Another attribution for the "JP Morgan" quote:
"Taken from the Civil Servants' Year Book, "The Organizer", January 1934"

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107502

It would be an interesting project to research further.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 04:27 PM
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54. As a point of history, I can not swear that J P Morgan actually said or spoke these
words. As a political reality, they have been attributed to him for decades, and I have no doubt that his ideological successors have embraced those words.

History does not have to be "true" to become history. It merely has to be accepted as true. Once it is labelled "the truth" it has a profound effect upon our lives.

"So vast, so limitless in capacity is man's imagination to disperse and burn away the rubble-dross of fact and probability, leaving only truth and dream." William Faulkner
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 06:30 PM
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59. I don't know about the "A truly public broadcasting network like the BBC" stuff?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 06:31 PM by NNN0LHI
Government run media doesn't sound like a very good idea to me.

Orwell used BBC as his model for The Ministry Of Truth.

Better rethink this one.

Might get what you want?

Don
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