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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:26 AM
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Former 'No Child Left Behind' Advocate Turns Critic -From an interview on NPR
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 11:36 AM by BrklynLiberal

In 2005, former Assistant Secretary of Education Diane Ravitch wrote, "We should thank President George W. Bush and Congress for passing the No Child Left Behind Act ... All this attention and focus is paying off for younger students, who are reading and solving mathematics problems better than their parents' generation."

Four years later, Ravitch has changed her mind.

"I was known as a conservative advocate of many of these policies," Ravitch says. "But I've looked at the evidence and I've concluded they're wrong. They've put us on the wrong track. I feel passionately about the improvement of public education and I don't think any of this is going to improve public education."
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"The basic strategy is measuring and punishing," Ravitch says of No Child Left Behind. "And it turns out as a result of putting so much emphasis on the test scores, there's a lot of cheating going on, there's a lot of gaming the system. Instead of raising standards it's actually lowered standards because many states have 'dumbed down' their tests or changed the scoring of their tests to say that more kids are passing than actually are."

Some states contend that 80 to 90 percent of their children are proficient readers and have math proficiency as well, Ravitch notes. But in the same states, only 25 to 30 of the children test at a proficient level on national tests such as the National Assessment of Educational Progress.
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"There should not be an education marketplace, there should not be competition," Ravitch says. "Schools operate fundamentally — or should operate — like families. The fundamental principle by which education proceeds is collaboration. Teachers are supposed to share what works; schools are supposed to get together and talk about what's for them. They're not supposed to hide their trade secrets and have a survival of the fittest competition with the school down the block."

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From the book The Death and Life of the Great American School System
How Testing and Choice are Undermining Education

by Diane Ravitch


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Thus, while advocates of choice were certain that most families wanted only the chance to escape their neighborhood school, the first five years of NCLB demonstrated the opposite. When offered a chance to leave their failing school and to attend a supposedly better school in another part of town, less than 5 percent — and in some cases, less than 1 percent — of students actually sought to transfer. Free after-school tutoring (called Supplementary Educational Services, or SES) fared only a bit better than choice, according to the papers presented that day. In California, 7 percent of eligible students received tutoring; in New Jersey, 20 percent did; in Colorado, 10 percent; and in Kentucky, 9 percent. The law implicitly created a "voucher" program for tutoring companies, a marketplace where tutoring companies and school districts could compete for students. Any organization could step forward to register with state departments of education to provide tutoring, whether they were a public school, a school district, a community group, a mom-and-pop operation, a faith-based agency, a for-profit corporation, a college, or a social services organization. Across the nation, nearly 2,000 providers registered to offer tutoring to needy students. But no more than 20 percent of eligible students in any state actually received it, even though it was free and readily available.
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As I listened to the day's discussion, it became clear that NCLB's remedies were not working. Students were offered the choice to go to another school, and they weren't accepting the offer. They were offered free tutoring, and 80 percent or more turned it down. Enough students signed up to generate large revenues for tutoring companies, but the quality of their services was seldom monitored. I recalled a scandal in New York City when investigators discovered that a tutoring company, created specifically to take advantage of NCLB largesse, was recruiting students by giving money to their principals and gifts to the children; several of the firm's employees had criminal records.
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What I learned that day fundamentally changed my view of No Child Left Behind. When I realized that the remedies were not working, I started to doubt the entire approach to school reform that NCLB represented. I realized that incentives and sanctions were not the right levers to improve education; incentives and sanctions may be right for business organizations, where the bottom line — profit — is the highest priority, but they are not right for schools. I started to see the danger of the culture of testing that was spreading through every school, community, town, city, and state. I began to question ideas that I once embraced, such as choice and accountability, that were central to NCLB. As time went by, my doubts multiplied. I came to realize that the sanctions embedded in NCLB were, in fact, not only ineffective but certain to contribute to the privatization of large chunks of public education. I wonder whether the members of Congress intended this outcome. I doubt that they did


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124209100&ft=1&f=3
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:31 AM
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1. Kick for Ravitch's conversion.
Recommended.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:37 AM
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3. Thought of you immediately when I heard this interview
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:35 AM
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2. A conservative learns?
Must be a painful process. Like teaching a pig to sing.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:37 AM
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4. You are right...It must have been painful.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:42 AM
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5. Common sense continues to be ignored.....
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:44 AM
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6. GWB's midas touch.
Except things turn to shit instead of gold.

Did anyone here honestly think NCLB was going to be successful back when the Decider pulled it out of his lying ass?

I heard that segment on NPR this morning, and the information about charter schools was also interesting.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:54 AM
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8. Yes. The Charter school part was very interesting. I would have quoted it but
they did not include that in the transcript on the site.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 11:48 AM
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7. K&R #4 n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:03 PM
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9. Golly, who could have seen this coming?
Don't get me wrong; I'm encouraged anytime an advocate of ruinous policies changes his or her mind. But many of these exact criticisms that Ravitch have discovered were voiced at the time of NCLB's enactment. Critics were pooh-poohed, told that they didn't know what they were talking about, were in thrall to the all-powerful evil teacher unions, and basically didn't understand how the magic of the free market was going to turn schools into little Einstein factories.

Now Ravitch has a book to sell. Did Congress intend these outcomes? You damn betcha some members certainly did, Ravitch's feeble protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 12:26 PM
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10. well, when parents and kids see the likes of GWB and Palin
making out well in the world why would they care about learning, tutoring, improving grades, etc? Idiocracy pays off and intelligence has been demonized. If you're smart, you're not to be trusted or promoted. Stupidity rules the day.

Both my kids have been identified as 'gifted' by their schools and testing. Neither of them is what I ever called 'gifted' when I was in school. In fact they are barely on par with what was expected of college prep coursework in my day. ( I know this sounds like grumpy old man-get off my lawn talk but.......) I look at what they are learning and the depth at which they are learning and can't help thinking that they would be only average students of my school. No reasoning or critical thinking is being taught.....only regurgitation. I fear for the future.

yet another element of GWB's legacy that will take decades to repair....if ever.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 01:03 PM
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11. Well and accurately stated.
I recall looking at some paper that my son was handing in in Middle School. I asked him if he was finished working on it..and he said yes.
I was astonished to see what an excellent grade he received...I thought it was terrible, and I know that I would have not gotten a good grade on that paper when I was in school.

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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 07:31 PM
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14. I had the same experience.
I had to review one of my step son's papers and I thought it was about a 5th or 6th grade paper........he was a Freshman in high school in the IB program!....and he got a good grade for it. It was all about form and format only.....not content. All they had to do was to be able to check off boxes regarding the mechanics. I know I would have been failed for the paper he turned in.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 02:36 PM
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12. Fresh Air had a Professor from Brown University to discuss this
More mass school firings are excepted for Georgia and Tennessee.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 03:09 PM
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13. AFTER they make the money....THEN they speak out to make more money -
Edited on Tue Mar-02-10 03:23 PM by GreenTea
I despise these manipulating self-serving fuckers who pontificated & whored for Bush, why didn't they educate themselves and understand this shit before helping the fucking republicans do their number on public education and every other aspect of government....

Now they tell us now that they finally "took a long hard look" and want to be treated as heroes when they help to lie, distort, smear and do so much fucking harm, the regressing of public education and damaging helpless children with their lies, manipulations of facts & rhetoric is all that they offered.

We knew these people would becoming out of the woodwork from Bush's so corrupt administration AFTER the fact....here's another one........These people disgust me!!

And so do these people who praise them!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 10:20 PM
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15. I guess that is exactly how I felt about Sandra Day O'Connor when she
came out with a statement of "regret" about the direction the Supreme Court had taken since her retirement.

She was horrified at the idea of Al Gore appointing a Supreme Court Justice...and helped put shit-for-brains in the White House..and then had the unmitigated gall to be critical of the way the Supreme Court was turning out.

What a hypocrite...and that is about the very kindest thing I can think of to say about her.
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