Wow...I despise Mittens Romney even more than I realized!

[Atman]

He's on with Joe now, pushing his "America is the awesomest and has never done anything wrong" book. What an asshole.

[babylonsister]

1. Did he just actually say Palin is qualified to be prez?

:rofl:

That will bite him in the ass down the road!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

10. Yeah, he did. Without hesitation.

Mitt and Palin are two sides of the same coin. Mitt just adds the country club mannerisms that makes some otherwise perceptive people assume he must have a few warm brain cells to rub together.

[Cosmocat]

11. No, it won't ...

All these years and people still do not get that republicans operate on a TOTALLY different playing field than democrats ...

Palin is NOT going to win the primary, she will crash and burn, and Mittens is smart enough to know that ...

He will let her do it to herself, while being in the gaggle of candidates tripping overthemselves to scream how much of a victim of liberal hatred and the MSM she is ...

In the general, it will not be an issue - a republican could say that george washington was a puppy beating communist, and the MSM would bury it or advance the Rs contention that he was in fact a liberal, socialist who wanted to take all of our guns ... They will be FAR to focused on BO taking his jacket off in the oval office, or his smoking, or whatever nonsensical BS like not wearing a flag pin, to concern themselves with whatever the R candidate might have said ...

[ConstitutionalLib]

2. America IS the "awesomest", and, while we have...

certainly made mistakes, I defy you to demonstrate any other country that has done more good for the world than America.

[FormerDittoHead]

13. I can tell you're gonna be real popular around here. n/t

[FormerDittoHead]

14. I can tell you're gonna be real popular around here. n/t

[Botany]

20. If I were you I wouldn't unpack my stuff and set up camp here.

But please feel free to get a slice of pizza to munch on.

[Atman]

21. Now he'll crawl back to his mole hole and whine about how intolerant DU is.

They never get it...DU is accepting of opposing viewpoints. Hell, we seem to be fighting amongst ourselves all the time! But these guys come in with obviously transparent user names and just poke sticks in people's eyes. That's different...no one needs to be tolerant of blatant abuse in his own backyard. If you want to discuss an issue, do it! I find DU to be very open. If you expect a monkey-house, and want to sling poo just because it's fun, this is the wrong place.

[pipi_k]

22. uh, oh.....

OK...America is awesome, and I feel lucky to be living here, but the "awesomest"?


I would say that for every "good" we've done, we've also done at least two "bads"

[hlthe2b]

24. Pride in one's country is one thing... Deification with blinders on....

is quite another. Then one moves very close to the jingoistic attitudes of the Nazis.

[Zoeisright]

27. Tell that to the millions we've killed and maimed.

Grow up.

[ConstitutionalLib]

39. Look I am not Deifying America.

I simply believe that the USa has been the most generous country in the Earth's history. No country has given more of it's blood and treasure to help other nations with little reward for itself. Whenever there is a disaster anywhere in the world It is WE who respond, immediately and with all the help we can muster, both governmental, and private through charities. Never before has a country helped win a war as we did in WWII, and then spent it's own treasure to rebuild the vanquished. Never before has a country vanquished an enemy, then helped it rebuild itself to the point where it economically was in direct competition with the victor, as we did with Japan. Never has a country liberate oppressed people without conquering and subjugating them. We have done that repeatedly.

Yes we have made mistakes. Yes we have done things I am not proud of, but over all the plusses far outweigh the negatives.

[smoogatz]

29. I actually agree with you,

in the sense that we did a lot of the heavy lifting in WWII and helped to bring down Nazism and the Japanese empire. We also spend more in foreign aid, in real dollars, than most other countries--although less than many as a percentage of our GDP. Otherwise we've pretty much stuck to protecting our interests, supporting ruthless dictators when it suited us, opposing them when it didn't, overthrowing democratically elected governments when we didn't like them, supporting them when we did, particularly in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East, and particularly during the cold war. But you're dramatically understating the facts when you say we've made "some mistakes." Our mistakes have run the gamut from the well-intended to the mean-spirited to the vicious and venal to the genocidal. If you knew our history, you'd be aware of that. It's fine to be proud of what we've done right--I have no problem with that. But we also need to remember our mistakes, particularly the big ones, or we are surely doomed to repeat them. It's not about bashing America, it's about knowing our history and being able to view the present in that very important context.

[ConstitutionalLib]

40. I find it odd that I am being

called a troll, and being told I should leave, because I stated that I love my country. Is that wrong? Is this a requirement to be progressive? I don't get it.

[smoogatz]

43. We see a lot of mindless jingoistic trolling here, as you can imagine.

And no, it's not wrong to love your country. What's wrong, or at least wrong-headed, is to equate loving your country with unthinking insistence on its infallibility. You can love your country and still be aware of the darker passages of its history, still worry about the corrosive effects of 21st century corporatism, still have a realistic view of our relative place in the world as a liberal democracy. Are we really the freest country in the world? Arguably not. Are we the richest country in the world? Not if you define that by standard of living, no. We're certainly not the healthiest or best educated country in the world. We are by a great stretch the most heavily armed and potentially the most dangerous country in the world, depending on who's in charge. You don't have to get all that to be a progressive, but it helps.

[ConstitutionalLib]

45. But is there another country that has given as much

to help the rest of the world, as the USA? Another country that has created more, contributed more, done more, to help the rest of the world?

[smoogatz]

46. What contributions to world helpy-ness do you have in mind?

Let's narrow it down to post-WWII, and let's eliminate those initiatives that directly benefited the US in some way. You know we give less in foreign aid, as a percentage of GDP, than any other developed nation, right? And just for fun, let's also eliminate military interventions. I'm anxious to hear your list.

[TransitJohn]

44. There's a big difference between patriotism and jingoism. n/t

n/t

[ConstitutionalLib]

3. PS: Why would you "hate" someone for having

a different opinion or worldview than your own? Isn't that the essence of America, tolerance for differing points of view? You don't have to agree with them, you can debate and try to convince them of the validity of your point of view, but why would that engender hate?

[Atman]

5. Pretty ironic response, given that Mitten's book is all about lack of tolerance...

...for other points of view.

I edited the sub line because I have posted before that I don't "hate" much of anyone, especially people I've never met.

That said, I don't buy into the flag-waving ang jingoism stuff that Romney pushes. Calling out Obama for being an apologist and refusing to accept the tremendous damage Bush did to our nation, and our reputation in the world. The accidents of our birth do not make us any more entitled to claim we're the "awesomest" than those of other nations who are also proud of their heritage. Blind natiolism leads to the kind of ugly arrogance we got under Bush, and all the shit that came along with it.

[ConstitutionalLib]

9. I haven't read his book, nor do I

intend to, but I was responding to the "I hate romney" heading, I do agree with a lot of people but I don't hate them, they have their view I have mine. I also do not want their right to voice their opinion infringed upon, because if the government can stop them, they can stop me. But that having been said, if the KKK wanted to have a rally, I would support their right to speak even though I wholeheartedly disagree with everything they would say, but I DO NOT support the money spent for publicly funded police protection for them, just cause they have a right to speak, doesn't mean they have a right to be protected from the consequences of that speech.

[Atman]

19. How am I infringing on his right to speak in any way?

Further, how is your response to my op in any way different than my response to Romney's stomach-churning jingoism? Do you feel his wealth and plastic hair make HIS opinion more acceptable than mine?

I've suspect, based upon your screen name, that you're a mole, but DU rules forbid me from calling you out...so I'll watch and wait to see just how "tolerant" you really are of opposing viewponts. So far, I'm unimpressed.

[OregonBi]

32. Holy, Holy, another Moley!

Oh I get it, a new user signs up and they are required to sniff your shorts until they have 1000+ posts least they be called a "mole". Looks to me as though you are having trouble defending your asininity here. When you post such crap, then dog-fat-face rush limbaugh and his minions copy it and use it to blast to the world how mean, stupid, intolerant, and irrelevant Democratic Underground is. Nice thing to do to the tolerant sensible REAL Progressives here and the guys that have invested their LIVES into this Progressive institution.
Me thinks it is YOU that are the mole having spent hours/days/weeks/months/years building a post count then using it to denigrate and discredit Democratic Underground to the masses.

Mitt IS a dork, no doubt about it but there are a shitload of AMERICANS that do have some pride in this nation, even with its faults. We know they are there and we (the sensible ones) use those faults to correct our course and make this nation better for the world.
When someone says this nation is awesome or "awesomest", does that really make your blood boil? If so, you are welcome to Haiti or Chile anytime.
Next time you are on a crowded bus, shout out your hate for this nation at the top of your lungs.
No, go ahead - stand up for your belief set. I dare you.
Then come on back, call me a mole, and post a recent photo of yourself - bruises, black eyes and all.
Progressives, REAL Progressives are much more talented, sensible, INTELLECTUAL, and mindful of others. We set the standards unlike you which just drag them into the gutter.

[Atman]

34. Who the hell was talking to you, or called you a mole? Not me.

Me thinks your panties are in a bunch. How about if you show me where I have ever -- in any of my thousands of posts on DU -- said I "hate America." Go one...I'll wait. If you didn't see the exchange with Romney, why don't you just shut the fuck up and stick to commenting about that which you know, which appears to be not much. If you don't think I've invested my life in progressive politics, you're much more stupid that your post makes you out to be.

.

[OregonBi]

35. Hold my hand little one

When you say you hate someone because they stated their "awesomest" love of America, you said you HATED them because of their love for America. You also made numerous other statements about what in your little mind is "flag waving jingoistic" patriotism. Guess what numb-nuts, in every pride parade I have attended for the past 15 years I have waved the United States flag. Do you hate me for it? In some countries, *I* and my partner WOULD be beheaded or hung for our relationship. The fact alone that we can OPENLY exist in this nation without losing our lives over it does indeed make this nation one of the greatest!
Back to your statements of your hate America proof such as:

"That said, I don't buy into the flag-waving ang jingoism stuff that Romney pushes. Calling out Obama for being an apologist and refusing to accept the tremendous damage Bush did to our nation, and our reputation in the world. The accidents of our birth do not make us any more entitled to claim we're the "awesomest" than those of other nations who are also proud of their heritage. Blind natiolism leads to the kind of ugly arrogance we got under Bush, and all the shit that came along with it."

ACCIDENTS OF OUR BIRTH? Are you saying it is an unforgivable accident to be born in America? What exactly are you saying here?
Bush the moron aside, you plainly made repeated references to what in YOUR mind is "jingoism" and in the context of you post where you additionally state "the tremendous damage Bush did to our nation, and our reputation in the world" you are DIRECTLY attaching "jingoism" to the state of our nation AND, denigrating those here that called you out on it. Your insinuations and asinine remarks about this nation leaves ZERO doubt that you hate this nation, "jingoism" not withstadnig.
Additionally, what is YOUR solution to fix this problem and what do you intend to do to those Americans that are proud of this nation for the SPECIFIC reasons I just posted?

Moley, moley, moley....

[Atman]

37. Keep trying.

What a crock of shit. Did you have to have help from your other mole creatures to come up with such nonsense, and attribe things to me which I never said? Fuck off. I'm not playing.

.

[OregonBi]

38. Uh-Oh! Atman is under attack by another Moly!

Crock of shit - in that you again failed the obvious in that I slayed you with your outright disdain of this nation.
Not playing?
All you do is play since I have yet to ever read anything from you that is of any worthwhile substance.

Now go off, slam the ALERT button, then continue to post your asinine insane bullshit and continue to lower the IQ level of Democratic Underground.

Scurry back to your playpen if you haven't the cinchonas to debate with the REAL Progressive intellectual adults here and stop giving this board a bad name!

I see you continue to lace your posts with those cute little four letter adult words. Surprising? No!

"Profanity is for the illiterate and using profanity shows a distinct lack of intelligence. It pegs you as a dullard or worse."

Buh-Bye - DULLARD...

Sincerely,
Atman's pet mole

[OregonBi]

36. Additionally: Who the hell was talking to you?

Who?

YOU DID!
This is an open board for members that freely signed up here!

See, it works like this: You post in an open forum with the EXPECTATION that a topic of discussion will be started by the users here REPLYING to your posts. What? Do you REALLY think you are some kind of oracle in that you hold the AWESOMEST wisdom of the world and you are ALL 100% right and if someone comes along and disagrees with you, even points out your downright stupidity, they are automatically a mole and need to S.T.F.U.?
WOW! Now there is some high-power thinking right there.

P.S. You are beginning to embarrass yourself.

[ConstitutionalLib]

42. Thank you for the defense

[ConstitutionalLib]

41. No I don't but

i also don't despise you for your opinion either, as the OP stated. THAT is my only curiosity here, why would you HATE or DESPISE someone for having a different opinion?

[rbixby]

28. I think you're getting it all wrong

While all of us here are patriotic americans, we don't accept that on blind faith alone. We are NOT a perfect union, and while our country has done many good things, we've also done many bad things. Don't get me wrong, I love living here, and I love the great experiment that is the United States, but we can't let blind patriotism become our rallying call like so many republicans did after 9/11. One thing about loving a country and being patriotic is being able to realize that things are not perfect and to call out the things that your country is doing wrong. Are we the awesomest? Well, it depends on what sort of metrics you're applying to the nation as a whole. In some respects that may be true, but in others it is not. Remember, we deny health care to the poor, we discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation, we tax the middle class and give big handouts to the rich. Those things are all very NOT awesome.
That all being said, I believe that those things can change and that we can improve things here, but I won't for a moment presume that our country is the best at everything simply because I was born here and I like the ideals spelled out in the constitution. But in essence, I think you're a troll.


That is all.

[Atman]

30. I notice no follow-up defense of his/her positions

Troll. Mole. Call it what you will...

.

[OregonBi]

33. Exactly!

As a matter of fact, we Progressives are some of the few in the world that KNOWS we have faults and we continually analyze them to make ourselves better, our nation better, and thus the world better.
We cannot all be held responsible for the tonnage of mistakes the past administration has made but we can damn well state we ARE an awesome nation because we ADMIT those mistakes and WILL correct those mistakes, whatever it takes, to the entire world!

Apparently all the OP does is badmouth without offering ANY real corrective solutions - like a spoiled child.

[Atman]

47. Do you understand that you're saying "Exactly!" to the person who is agreeing with ME?

I love my country. I've traveled to the other side of the globe and back...I love my country. But the moles from the other sites who brought this thread back from the dead, don't understand at all what my op was about. It was about Mitt Romney. It wasn't about hating my country. Nothing like that. Mitt Romney is promoting a book. It is a book that says anyone who questions the United States' motives are terrible people. THAT is what I posted about. The dim-witted Palin-Romney-lovers who think that my comments equated to hating America are just plain stupid. STUPID. I commented on Romney saying that you can't question how awesome America is. But I do...it doesn't mean I don't love living here, it doesn't mean I don't love my country. It means I don't accept that we're the "awesomest" country on earth simply because we exist. That is the big difference...the Teabaggers have more intelligence than the the people who threaten me because I am willing to question the awesomeness of our country...a country which is no longer #1 in anything except debt to China.

[drm604]

17. I think that, intentionally or not, you're misrepresenting what Atman is saying.

He isn't saying that he dislikes Romney simply because he has a different opinion or worldview. He dislikes him because of his specific opinions and world views. Big difference.

[Raine]

4. I saw him too

he's nothing but an oil slick on dry land. :puke:

[rox63]

6. After enduring him as governor for 4 years, it's hard to imagine despising him even more

I think I'll just do my best to completely avoid his televised book promotions. :yoiks:

[customerserviceguy]

7. All part of the

"No, really, I truly AM a conservative (even though I belong to a religion you can't stomach)" tour.

The fundies aren't buying it, besides, they stopped watching Letterman the minute that he and Caribou Barbie started getting into a tiff.

[Ian David]

8. Bring electrical tape to the book store to put Hitler mustaches on his book cover. n/t

[deacon]

12. He's dense. Dumb as a rock. n/t

[unhappycamper]

15. Mitt the Shit is a real piece of work.

We got to watch him in his Magic Underwear work his wiles as the Massachusetts governor. :puke:

[CTyankee]

16. Did Joe use his timeworn dig at Obama trying to please the "people of Luxembourg"?

He's said that so many times it makes me think of taking a drink every time it comes out of his mouth...but unfortunately his show is on in the early morning and by the time I have my glass of white wine before dinner, I have forgotten all about it...

[stray cat]

18. Mr. Bush was a great president because he kept us safe (except for the worst case in US history)

[ohtransplant]

23. It's obvious....

He's taking up the Ronald Reagan model.

Tell Americans everything is great, that Dems are weak and all our problems will be cured with tax cuts and a stronger national defense.

It worked for RR...

Didn't work out so well for the USA, working people, and our deficits...

[ChicagoSuz219]

25. He has a nasty, mean streak...

...it came out several times when he was running.

[DisgustedInMN]

26. Wadda puke.

That piece of work was on Letterman last night. I had to mute the sound or I would have thrown a heavy, blunt object at the TV.

[ellenfl]

31. romney is a politics whore.

he'll do anyone to get elected.

ellen fl