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Wed Mar-03-10 03:51 PM
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I just noticed something new on the rec/unrec feature... |
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When you vote either way, it will show up next to where the totals are...
And it just started today!
I like it...
What do you think?
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:52 PM
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Just because I *had* to try it! :D
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:53 PM
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Thanks!
I'd tested it on another thread...
Had to make sure too!
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:09 PM
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24. K&R #72 for, all I see is "Your vote +1)" - it would help more to see |
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Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 04:09 PM by UTUSN
how many +s & -s there are.
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Thu Mar-04-10 12:38 PM
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113. I agree and would like to add |
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Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 12:49 PM by Tuesday Afternoon
that I would like to be able to see a history of my personal voting thread. Somewhere that could store the threads that I rec's and also unRec'd. Thanks. eta: refer to this thread - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9277882
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Wed Mar-03-10 08:07 PM
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68. Genius! Brilliant! You've written an OP *about* the unrec function AND you've got positive recs!!!! |
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Awesome.
More proof of your profound gift for creating remarkable compositions.
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Thu Mar-04-10 07:43 AM
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105. Wow, Nice grab Peggy |
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:52 PM
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2. I was just about to post about it! |
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Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 03:56 PM by Hissyspit
"Net recommendation: +6 votes (Your vote: +1)"
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:52 PM
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And I gave you a rec for it!
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:53 PM
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6. LOL California Peggy trolling for recs! |
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Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 03:55 PM by Hissyspit
Because to see what she's talking about, you have to rec her.
:D
I need to go find something to unrec. :evilgrin:
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:56 PM
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My dear Hissyspit!
Isn't this new feature cool?
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:59 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:05 PM
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20. 66 Votes in nine minutes. |
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Wacky Social Experimenter California Peggy!
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:36 PM
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40. That's those Californians for ya! |
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:hi: Hissy! :hi: Peggy!
:thumbsup: on the new feature - it's fun!
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Wed Mar-03-10 05:10 PM
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53. Yup. Always knew she was a devious one. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:58 PM
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98. At least she didn't title it: "Recommend this thread if you want to find out what happens if you |
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recommend this thread!" :D
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Wed Mar-03-10 06:45 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:52 PM
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4. HOLY COW !!! YESSSSSSS!!!! |
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:53 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:54 PM
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8. I found it right before I opened this discussion...way cool....... |
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:55 PM
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9. Oh sure, give away the secret! Give back your DU decoder ring! |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:04 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:56 PM
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11. unrecommended for test purposes only |
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Net recommendation: +16 votes (Your vote: -1)
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:01 PM
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15. Me too ...lol...as in, "Me too!" |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:02 PM
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I was just about to post asking someone to do just that!
Thank you, my dear Brother Buzz!
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:05 PM
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21. I can't unrec a California Peggy post, even for test purposes. |
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LoZoccolo, where are you when I need you?
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Wed Mar-03-10 06:26 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 03:58 PM
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12. excellent tool for those of us with Alzheimerrrr...what was I saying? |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:14 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:20 PM
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31. sometimes I go back and try to hit rec again and again or I'll type a disagreement to a post |
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and realize I'm arguing with myself.
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:01 PM
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14. Would be useful feature for Republicans. |
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Remind them they were "for it" before they were "against it".
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:43 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:03 PM
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17. I saw it. Not much use to me. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:15 PM
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27. I don't understand the point of it, either. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 09:26 PM
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72. I didn't get it at first either, but... |
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after some observation I do now...
People can still rec or unrec, but it appears the number of unrecs can never drop below zero, like it used to before....i.e. > 0
So if someone posts a topic and then someone else comes along half a second later and gives it an unrec, it will still show "0" and that's the end of the "wahhh wahhh...WHO UNREC'D MY TOPIC???? Those goddamn unrec trolls!!! Blah blah blah" stuff.
So unless someone is sitting there keeping score all day long ("Hmmm...my recs WERE +35 an hour ago, but now they're down to +30") nobody is going to know how many unrecs someone got, and nobody is going to be publicly embarrassed by having > 0 recs.
Hopefully that will bring an end to the endless kvetching about rec/unrec. :)
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:17 PM
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83. Actually, that makes perfect sense! Thanks for the explanation, and... |
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just a minor typo, I think - you meant "< 0", not "> 0", right? :)
Anyway, after reading your post, I'm convinced that the new feature is more about eliminating <0 ratings (and "the endless kvetching about rec/unrec") than anything else.
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:24 PM
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as far as the < or > goes, though...
whichever one is the "less than" symbol was the one I meant
I'm a bit dyslexic sometimes, so it could be just about anything.
In any event, I think Skinner and the crew came up with a pretty good solution
:)
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:03 PM
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18. It's a trick, it's a trick, I tell you. California Peggy just wants to get on the Greatest Page, so |
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she plays on everybody's curiosity to get them to click the rec button! How clever is that?
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:06 PM
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22. Honestly, my dear Arkansas Granny! |
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I am truly embarrassed at how many recs my very silly thread has gotten...
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:24 PM
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35. Your evil plan is working! |
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Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 04:24 PM by jgraz
This has to have set a record as the quickest post to 100 recs. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:34 PM
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39. I think it's a hoot, especially after all the whining we hear about "unrecs". |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:58 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:06 PM
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23. K & R! It happened for me , too. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:10 PM
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Looks like we have a new toy. :)
Thanks, Skinner!
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:16 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:17 PM
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29. Interesting. Though, I usually remember how I vote. |
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I liked it the way it was orignally, where it showed positive and negative votes.
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:19 PM
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Of course, I had to try it too......... :P
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:20 PM
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32. I had to try it with the unrec just to see what it does |
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Net recommendation: +102 votes (Your vote: -1)
Sorry, Peggy :evilgrin:
I hope someone else makes up for my unrec :)
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:23 PM
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34. NO worries, my dear tandot! |
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There is no way this silly thread of mine deserves so many recs!
Thank you for your unrec. And I mean that!
:P
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:23 PM
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33. Would you please educate me... |
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I don't understand how this recommend and unrecommend stuff works. How can you tell if a post is unrecomended?
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:26 PM
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36. Unless you unrecommend a thread, you won't be able to tell. |
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When you rec or unrec, your choice will show, but only to you.
Does that help?
Once you've tried it, you will see...
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:54 PM
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48. The official cover was un-rec = keep certain threads off Greatest Page |
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And whether or not that was legit (which I seriously doubt) it quickly became obvious it was largely being used to reduce the number of recs threads that were considered by moderates to be 'too critical' of any 'official' position could receive. Early on it was those type of posters who lavished big heaps of praise on the un-rec feature, so it was fairly obvious ...in fact, at that point I remember that if a poster was known to adamantly disavow the notion of Conspiracy Theories in general, and was wont to attack and belittle any who'd lend credence to CTs, or even lefty views, views critical of the two party system, they, of course, LOVED the un-rec feature.
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Wed Mar-03-10 06:35 PM
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64. Skinner's in on it. All of it. |
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The monkey crows at midnight.
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Thu Mar-04-10 07:55 AM
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106. If there were no ulterior agenda, both would have been displayed from unrec's inception |
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That it came in w/such vague explanations, replete w/refusal to have the # of unrecs displayed, as the recs are, says there was something more to it than hoping to keep fluff off the Greatest Page (and who honestly gives a shit about that page since it's under constant fluctuation anyhow?)
Now, maybe it just appeared that way...lol
However...
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Thu Mar-04-10 12:19 PM
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111. Well, I give a little poo about it |
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The short list on the front page is my quick overview into whats big in DU land atm.
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:53 PM
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119. It doesn't matter anyway since its been a failure. |
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Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 01:54 PM by Political Heretic
At least, of the unrec feature goal really was to shut out specific points of view from higher visibility, then its been a failure. If you write well enough and you're passionate enough, people reward that passion by out-reccing the unrec army.
Thus honest, reality-based posts about the state of our political and economic system still make it to the greatest page.
By the way Echo, do you know that you can also view threads by "Most unreccomented" or "Hottest" (which means threats with the most combination of recs AND unrecs) and also "most debated" (threads with recs and unrecs right about a 50/50 split.
So I'm not sure if its a grand conspiracy as much as it was some poor implementation.
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Thu Mar-04-10 02:09 PM
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121. I was speculating as to the 'whys' of its implementation, not overall/sustained effectiveness |
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My point stands, though; at its inception, many of the moderate/anti-conspiracy/pro-two party ruse/pro-war posters went absolutely lollipops over the un-rec feature, and were the loudest, most belligerent voices in any thread that questioned the feature. Coupled with the obvious reluctance to display the un-recs....seemed a bit odd.
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:32 PM
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38. That's kind of like saying "Hey, I've got this wierd thing in my eye" |
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just to get someone to look you in the eyes. :rofl:
Well done, CalPeg! :applause:
(And yes, I tried it just to see, and you're right!)
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:39 PM
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42. I voted to unrec, just to see what would happen. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:40 PM
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Huh, well look at that. ;)
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:47 PM
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We always understood it was a net total, and most of us know which way we recc'ed a thread.
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:52 PM
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46. You just got a rec so I could see what happened |
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:52 PM
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47. I don't believe it's the *best system, but I do believe it's an improvement. |
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Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, CaliforniaPeggy and thanks to the admins for improving the system.
*The best system would reflect both rec and unrec vote totals.
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Wed Mar-03-10 04:55 PM
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49. Kinda weird, isn't it...the resistance to displaying both |
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52. I view recommendations in the same light as votes. |
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Some people will abuse their recommendation or unrec just because they like, don't like or have an issue with the O.P. whether the actual post, column or article warrant it or not, but I believe if given the chance, the total reflect system would be the most fair and accurate measure specifically of the people here at D.U. and in general the Democratic Party.
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Wed Mar-03-10 05:04 PM
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51. re'd. How could I possibly resist for California Peggy! |
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Wed Mar-03-10 05:20 PM
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55. You asked what I think |
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and I think there are way too many people way too obsessed with the whole rec/unrec thing.
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Wed Mar-03-10 05:23 PM
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56. I appreciate your response. (nt) |
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57. The Unrecommend should still be deep sixed |
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Wed Mar-03-10 05:40 PM
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58. +1 -- seems a silly feature |
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Wed Mar-03-10 06:29 PM
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62. Rather see it improved taking into account objections. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 06:31 PM
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63. In that case, we should also get rid of "rec", amirite? |
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Wed Mar-03-10 05:57 PM
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59. Yeah, that's fun! I noticed it about 5 minutes ago -- |
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I tested the Unrec feature on you because you already have hundreds of Recs and I knew it couldn't hurt. ;-) Just wanted to see what it would look like.
Neato.
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Wed Mar-03-10 08:09 PM
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69. Where's rec & unrec buttons |
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:56 PM
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97. At the bottom of the OP (original post) there's a line that says... |
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Alert | Hide Thread | Recommend | Unrecommend Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
Unrec is considered unfriendly, though.
Welcome to DU.
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Wed Mar-03-10 06:44 PM
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65. You made me click rec! |
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Thu Mar-04-10 03:09 PM
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125. I think she tricked us all. nt |
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Wed Mar-03-10 07:51 PM
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I like seeing how all the people who replied to the thread voted.
I guess if you don't reply, people can't see your vote.
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Wed Mar-03-10 08:50 PM
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70. Looks like no more less-than sign either |
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73. You're absolutely right! I just noticed that. |
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Personally, I'd rather keep <0 and show the # of unrecs - as long as the unrec feature is in place, might as well show the results.
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Wed Mar-03-10 09:32 PM
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76. They sort of do for the threads that are 50/50 |
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Wed Mar-03-10 08:57 PM
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71. Look at this, though. |
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From the just recs part of the greatest page: "Obama approves of closing R. I. school with 7% math proficiency. Praises school with 4% proficiency. 61 recs : By madfloridian" But in the post in the GD forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7834768&mesg_id=7834768There are only 50 recs...so I have had 11 unrecs if I figure right.
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and for that you get a Rec since I had to check it out. :hi:
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75. Yay! I recorded rec #400! |
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Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 09:28 PM by Cerridwen
Of course the way the recs are recorded I could have been 401 while someone was unreccing; or I was 402 while 2 were unreccing; or...
LOL
:hi:
edit: or I was 400 while someone unrecced. :rofl:
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Wed Mar-03-10 09:50 PM
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78. how many voted to unrec? |
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I'd much rather know how many actually voted to unrec a topic....
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I've found that simply being able to unrec something (and walk away) gave me enough peace of mind to keep me out of a flame war. :)
(not "booo!ing" Peggy of course)
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:01 PM
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80. Hey, whatever it takes to keep you out of trouble! |
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:04 PM
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:06 PM
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82. Dunno, lemme try it - "Net recommendation: +422 votes (Your vote: +1)", hm... |
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That is different, I guess its cool :)
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:21 PM
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84. CaliforniaPeggy, I'm rec'ing your post because I feel like it and |
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because you are such a class act.
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:30 PM
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86. Yes to see how many unrecs would be nice! Might make it actually mean something! |
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Wed Mar-03-10 10:42 PM
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87. I like it. Sorry I unrec your post just to try it out. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:21 PM
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88. I just tried it. Sorry for that unrec, but you've got plenty to spare. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:26 PM
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90. And your OP is now the most important story on DU |
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I love you Peggy, but DU's priorities often baffle me.
I think that from now on you should be the one to post every "take action" thread on DU!
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:27 PM
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91. I think that unrec's should be required to post, and like say something. |
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A rec could be anonymous, still, but all responses would either have a "u" or "r" or blank at the beginning of the post. The unrec feature could only be activated by actually posting.
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:28 PM
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92. how did this post get +463 recs? |
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Maybe +63, I'd understand that, but... +463?? :wtf:
:crazy:
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:10 PM
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116. At +648 now. Holy molly. That must be an all-time record! (Or not?!?) |
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Thu Mar-04-10 03:58 PM
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126. Update: Ended up at +688 after 24 hours. |
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:38 PM
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93. Peg, I think you've broken the rec record.......... |
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leave it up to one of my favorite DU'er's!!
:loveya::hug::loveya:
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:43 PM
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94. My dear CaliforniaPeggy, |
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now that so many have piled on, I can put my rec way up high.
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:49 PM
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95. I just need to confess -- |
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Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 11:51 PM by truedelphi
I very much needed to check out what you are saying, and I didn't think you would be offended if I used your topic as a test case. I think over 450 recs is some kinda record - and my unrec was not to be taken personally, or felinely or even caninely. :-)
You are right - if someone unrecs a topic, we can now see how many unrecs there are!
Thank you for the info, and hopefully someone will rec yr topic to replace my unrec!
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Wed Mar-03-10 11:49 PM
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Thu Mar-04-10 12:43 AM
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99. Kicking for proof. I call bullshit. I don't believe it! |
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496.
I like ROUND numbers!
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Thu Mar-04-10 12:50 AM
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100. My VERY DEAR NYC_SKP! |
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How dare you kick my bloated thread!
I will call Skittles for a well-deserved ass-kicking!
One for me for having started this mess, and one for you!
:argh:
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:15 AM
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101. And SHE'LL DO IT! YES, INDEED!!! |
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My dream. I long for a Skittles ass-kicking.
Maybe you and I can get scheduled together one morning, then do lunch. :P
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:25 AM
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had been hoping to be rec #500 so at 497 kept refreshing and refreshing. Then it moved up to 498, but alas, someone unrecced back to 497. Then went to look at something else and when came back, it was at 507. :cry:
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Thu Mar-04-10 03:08 PM
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124. And I thought I needed to get a life. |
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Thu Mar-04-10 02:09 AM
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103. I'm going to kick this just for the halibut. |
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Peg, you really did a number this time. Reminds me of a few earlier posts when 200+ recs got 'em shut down because of server capability....................
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Thu Mar-04-10 06:41 AM
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104. I just unrecc'd your post.... |
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just to see if it would work! Cool feature!
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Thu Mar-04-10 08:27 AM
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107. Gee, this is more fun than video games |
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Thu Mar-04-10 11:29 AM
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108. 625 must be a "REC" record! |
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Thu Mar-04-10 11:29 AM
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109. I think it should also track it on your own page as to how many rec's and unrec's you've given |
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Thu Mar-04-10 11:31 AM
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110. IBTL - Just kidding. |
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Thu Mar-04-10 12:27 PM
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112. it always shows +1 for me, I don't get it :( n/t |
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Thu Mar-04-10 12:51 PM
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:09 PM
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115. Oops! Hit the wrong choice. How do you change it? (Answer: You don't.) |
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:35 PM
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117. Whodathunkit? It works! |
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:47 PM
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118. everyone else seems to be recommending the OP, so I will too! |
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Rec'd, kicked, and BOUNCED! :bounce:
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Thu Mar-04-10 01:59 PM
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120. 662 recs, now thats a bunch |
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and it was by little ole me. I like the DU anyway it comes. I've seen quite a few changes in just the time I've been here and everyone of them I've liked
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Thu Mar-04-10 02:15 PM
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122. Also noticed the wider Video Titles which allow a bit more description to be read - THANKS DU!! |
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sometimes having just a bit more room to explain the video in the title helps!
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Thu Mar-04-10 02:41 PM
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123. un-rec'd - does not belong on greatest page |
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