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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 11:13 PM
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No Laughing Matter: Michael Pearl & His Chicken Mock Critics
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 11:26 PM by Shallah Kali
Michael Pearl has issued a scornful brush-off of critic’s charge that No Greater Joy Ministry’s “child-training” advice incited Kevin and Elizabeth Statz to beat their 9-year-old daughter, Lydia to death using quarter-inch plumbing supply line.
http://blogs.alternet.org/vyckie/2010/03/03/no-laughing-matter-michael-pearl-his-chicken-mock-critics

I am nearly speechless with anger after reading a link posted by NLQ forum member, Asteli which highlights Michael Pearl’s “Laughing” Facebook note response to his critics.

“It has come to my attention that a vocal few are decrying our sensible application of the Biblical rod in training up our children. I laugh at my caustic critics, for our properly spanked and trained children grow to maturity in great peace and love.”


A vocal few? Who Is Speaking Out Against Abuse? ~ I’d say there are more than a few “caustic critics” who are outraged over the “application of the Biblical rod” which lead to the death of Lydia Shatz.

“Numbered in the millions, these kids become the models of self-control and discipline, highly educated and creative-entrepreneurs that pay the taxes your children will receive in entitlements. When your children finally find an honest mechanic or a trustworthy homebuilder, it will be one of ours. When your children apply for a job it will be at a company our children founded. When they go to a doctor, it will be one of our Christian children that heals them with cutting edge innovation. When your adult kids go for therapy it will be one of our kids-become-psychologist that directs them to the couch and challenges them to release their self-loathing and embrace hope for a better tomorrow.”


Numbered in the millions ~ that’s a terrifying thought ~ but it is true that No Greater Joy Ministries is a 1.5 million dollar a year business. If no one was buying, reading, and implementing the Pearl’s potentially-deadly child training advice, we could laugh right back at him ~ but as it stands, this is no laughing matter.

Models of self-control and discipline? Yes ~ undoubtedly, children trained by Pearl’s methods will have extraordinary self-control and self-discipline ~ anyone whose ever survived the terrorism of physical and emotional abuse as a child will testify to their ingrained ability to tow the line ~ to jump when the abuser yells, Jump! and to never dare let go and just be a carefree, happy, inquisitive child uninhibited by the abusive parent’s seemingly-omniscient watchfulness and omnipotent control.

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Since the No Longer Quivering website was started almost a year ago, former Quiverers and their children have taken the opportunity to share their heart-wrenching stories of spiritual abuse ~ and the sheer horror of it all is so overwhelming that readers are sickened and often need to take a break ~ it’s just too much to bear!

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“My granddaughters laugh with joy after giving their baby dolls a spanking for ‘being naughty’ because they know their dolls will grow up to be the best mamas and daddies in the world-just like them.”


Take note people: parents around the world are laughing with joy because after beating their children into unquestioning submission, their kids no longer have the will to resist the extinguishing of their personhood and the murder of their very souls.



DA links fundamentalist "training" to Paradise girl's death
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_14388171

Prosecutors allege the two victims were subjected to "hours" of corporal punishment by their parents on successive days last Thursday and Friday with a quarter-inch-wide length of rubber or plastic tubing, which police reportedly recovered from the parents' bedroom.

Police allege that the younger girl was being disciplined for mis-pronouncing a word during a home-school reading lesson the day before she died.

The two young girls reportedly sustained deep bruising and multiple "whip-like" marks on their back, buttocks and legs, which authorities believe resulted in significant muscle tissue breakdown that impaired their kidneys and possibly other vital organs, said Ramsey.

He said investigators are researching a possible connection to an Internet Web site set up by "fundamentalist Christian people" that recommends use of the same whip-like implement "as an appropriate tool for biblical chastisement ... to train a child from infancy to make them a happier child and more obedient to God because they are obedient to the will of their parents," said Ramsey.

The district attorney said some of the Schatzes' six biological children, who were removed from the family home for their protection following the parents' arrest, have made statements suggesting the ridge couple shared this philosophy.

The other children in the home said the same rubber or plastic tube was used on all of them "as a standard method of discipline, but certainly not to the extent of these two girls," Ramsey added.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 11:21 PM
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1. Anyone who "laughs with joy" after beating a child shouldn't be allowed
to parent, period. Violent parents create violent, damaged kids. Everyone I know who was subjected to regular beatings as a child has trouble trusting people, worries about their own parenting skills and is still bitter toward their own parents. The people I grew up with who were never spanked or beaten (but disciplined in non-violent manners) are all fairly successful and well adjusted. Psychologists agree that there is no positive benefit in spanking...and certainly none in beatings!
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 11:22 PM
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2. More info on the Pearl 'training' method and the murder of Lydia Schatz
Weird to read 2001 words of Michael Pearl on "Biblical chastisement"...in light of recent events - MadFloridian
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7811382&mesg_id=7811382

Questions about No Greater Joy ministry grow - child 'training' manual linked to murder of 7 yr old
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7804883&mesg_id=7804883

Godly discipline turned deadly
A controversial child "training" practice comes under fire -- this time from Christians themselves
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2010/02/22/no_greater_joy

Spare the quarter-inch plumbing supply line, spoil the child - 2006
Saying no to "timeouts," some fundamentalist Christians "train up" their children by carefully hitting them with switches, PVC pipes and other "chastening instruments."
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/05/25/the_pearls/index.html

Parenting guru is revered, reviled (2006)
http://www.newsobserver.com/2006/04/30/73811/parenting-guru-is-revered-reviled.html

Mothers never suspect a backlash because Pearl's books and newsletters are filled with stories of happy, godly children. The trick: training them while they are young. He urges fathers to tempt the little ones with an off-limit toy. When the child reaches for it, the father is advised to swat his hand or leg with a rod.

Pearl explains in "To Train Up a Child" that he used this strategy to keep his kids from going near a shotgun. Pearl also gets creative: When his children were toddlers and strayed to the pond's edge, he pushed them in and let them flounder to prove how dangerous the pond could be.

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PROBLEM Boy is a crybaby

SOLUTION "When he begins to scream his defiance or hurt, just ignore him. ... If he demands attention to a supposed wound, then reach in your purse, pull out a terrible tasting herbal potion and give him a spoonful. After he gets through gagging on the vitamin and mineral supplement, tell him that he is now completely healed, and invite him to come back for another dose if he again gets hurt."

PROBLEM Rebellious child who runs from discipline

SOLUTION "If you have to sit on him to spank him, then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he has surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring, and are unmoved by his wailing. Hold the resisting child in a helpless position for several minutes, or until he is totally surrendered. Accept no conditions for surrender -- no compromise. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. Your word is final."

PROBLEM Child whines to mother after father disciplines him

SOLUTION Mother must go over to child and "give him one or two licks on his exposed ankles or legs while commanding, 'Obey your father.' "

PROBLEM Child lies

SOLUTION Switch him 10 times at noon each day. Make him pick the tree branch.

PROBLEM What to use for a rod

SOLUTION For babies under age 1, a footlong willow branch shaved of its knots. For older kids, plastic plumbing pipe, a 3-foot shrub cutting or a belt to help turn a child "back from the road to hell."
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 11:56 PM
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3. "Somehow, after eight or 10 licks, the poison is transformed into gushing love and contentment"
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 11:57 PM by Shallah Kali
Suffer little children
US evangelicals are twisting the Bible to say that beating the young is a Christian doctrine
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/08/comment.usa1

Chastening begins early. "For the under-one-year-old, a little, 10- to 12-inch long, willowy branch (stripped of any knots that might break the skin) about one-eighth inch diameter is sufficient," writes Michael Pearl. With older children he advises: "After a short explanation about bad attitudes and the need to love, patiently and calmly apply the rod to his backside. Somehow, after eight or 10 licks, the poison is transformed into gushing love and contentment. The world becomes a beautiful place. A brand-new child emerges. It makes an adult stare at the rod in wonder, trying to see what magic is contained therein."

It's incredible to me that books such as this are readily available on Amazon; it is little short of incitement to child abuse. What makes the whole thing doubly sick is that it's done in the name of God. Apparently, the "proper application of the rod is essential to the Christian world-view". Note "essential". Perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise. For, as evangelicals, the Pearls believe that salvation only comes through punishment and pain. God punishes his Son with crucifixion so that humanity might not have to face the Father's anger. This image of God the father, for whom violence is an expression of tough love, is lodged deep in the evangelical imagination. And it twists a religion of forgiveness and compassion into something dark and cruel.

It's terrifying how deep this teaching penetrates into a philosophy of child rearing. Just as divine anger is deemed to be provoked by the original sin of human disobedience, the beating of children is seen as punishment for rebellion. According to Ted Tripp, in his monstrous bestseller Shepherding a Child's Heart, even babies who struggle while having their nappy changed are deemed to be rebellious and need punishment.

Last month Lynn Paddock of North Carolina was charged with the murder of her four-year-old son, Sean. She had apparently beaten him with a length of quarter-inch plumbing line - plastic tubing. Like many in her church, Paddock had turned to the Pearls' resources on Biblical parenting. The Pearls say chastisement with plumbing line is "a real attention getter". Sean Paddock's autopsy describes layers of bruises stretching from his bottom to his shoulder.


:puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke:

is this sadism or wtf is it???
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 12:07 AM
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4. there are other ways to disipline your kid other than spanking/hitting them.
Take away their iPod or their Wii.

Don't allow them to go to the Hannah Montana concert they've been talking about for months.

Heck, just ground them from anything and everything -- no TV, computer(except schoolwork), iPod, video games, etc. Spanking a child only causes them to become violent and many who are spanked grow up to be violent and/or have emotional issues.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 12:23 AM
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5. Shallah Kali, I've been following your posts regarding
religion & child abuse--they are always very informative, if gut-wrenching at times. I want to thank you for pointing out this serious, harmful issue, and for keeping us mindful of it. To me, there is hardly anything more disgusting than mistreating a child in one's care. Given the responsibility of guiding the future of a developing human being, one should be respectful of who they are and will be, give them love and guidance, and never damage their sense of self and well-being, which can be as harmful in itself as pain and even death.

I don't read these posts with pleasure, but I do read these posts with interest. I wanted you to know.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 01:11 AM
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6. Thank you.
It is gut wrenching to read but if people won't talk about this these teachings and those to spread them will never get the condemnation they deserve. More babies will have parents literally trying to beat the devil out of them before they can walk and breaking their spirit in the process. They are teaching them to be subservient followers of cruel leaders. Alice Miller wrote of similar child rearing methods being used in Germany in the 1800s and how it helped produce a nation that would would support atrocities in part to this cruelty. see For Your Own Good: Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing and the Roots of Violence http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm

Alice Miller: The Childhood Trauma http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/alice_miller2.html

The Political Consequences of Child Abuse http://www.naturalchild.org/alice_miller/political.html
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:16 AM
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7. Conservative Christian Homeschoolers Are Speaking Out Against The Pearl's Methods
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 02:22 AM by Shallah Kali
http://www.thatmom.com/?p=3927

an open letter to my brothers and sisters in Christ who serve in leadership to homeschooling families:
March 1st, 2010

An open letter to my brothers and sisters in Christ who serve in leadership to homeschooling families:

On February 6, 2010, Lydia Schatz, the seven year old homeschooled daughter of Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz, died after having been brutally beaten for mispronouncing a word while reading out loud to her mother. Butte County, California District Attorney, Mike Ramsey, reported that evidence shows the child was severely and repeatedly whipped, most likely for several hours, with a 15” piece of ¼” plumbing supply line, the same instrument that also left her older sister with severe kidney damage and in critical condition. The other seven Schatz children are now in foster homes, their parents having been charged with torture and murder.

While it might be comforting to believe that this is one horrific, isolated case of abusive behavior, the fact is that Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz were Bible-believing Christians who welcomed not only their own children into their home but three adopted ones as well. Their friends reported how shocked they were to hear this story about parents whom they called “loving” and “warm” and children who were “polite and well-behaved,” words that could describe most homeschooling families.

But Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz were also devotees of the book To Train Up A Child and its authors, Michael and Debi Pearl, and they patterned their “discipline” methods after the Pearls’ instructions, down to the very instrument they used to beat their children.

This is not the first time a child has died at the hands of parents who embraced the teachings from TTUAC. In 2004, four year old Sean Paddock suffocated after his mother also beat him with ¼” plumbing supply line and then wrapped him tightly in a blanket to keep him from getting out of bed. She is now serving time in jail for first degree murder.

The killing of precious children in the name of “discipline” must stop and those of us who desire to come alongside and encourage homeschooling families must do all that we can to see that this sort of tragedy never happens again. I believe that the Pearls’ teachings on chastisement unto repentance, found in their books and magazines and on their website, is not just one among many approaches to disciplining children, but rather, is a form of child abuse and even one that is considered to be assault and battery of a child and punishable by law in many states.

As Christians, it is even more important to understand that the Pearls’ philosophy is based on the aberrant theology of “sinless perfection,” a perspective that leads to the notion that parents are able to change a child’s sinful heart and save a child’s soul. Here are some excerpts from TTUAC:

“The parent holds in his hand (in the form of a little switch) the power to absolve the child of guilt, cleanse his soul, instruct his spirit, strengthen his resolve, and give him a fresh start through a confidence that all indebtedness is paid.”

“The guilt burdened soul cries out for the lashes and nails of justice. Your child cannot yet understand that the Creator has been lashed and nailed in his place. Only the rod of correction can preserve his soul until the day of moral dawning.”

“Let the guilt come, and then, while they are yet too young to understand, absolve it by means of the rod. When their time comes, the principles of the cross will be easy to grasp.”

The Holy Word of God tells us that only by faith in the finished, atoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross, an act of His mercy and grace, is a person saved. (“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.”~Titus 3:5) Physical chastisement by a parent cannot truly absolve a child of guilt nor can it cleanse his soul. To teach this and to lead any parent to think otherwise is promoting false doctrine and false hope in the works of man.

To that end, I would like to ask those who serve as homeschooling support group leaders and others who seek to serve within the homeschooling community to join the growing number of voices who are expressing their outrage and horror at the death of little Lydia Schatz and I would ask you to remove any recommendation of Michael and Debi Pearl’s teachings you have on your blogs or websites. Please stand with me and publicly say “This is wrong and it must stop.”

“Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.” ~ Proverbs 31:8-9

By His grace,
Karen Campbell,
homeschooling mother and grandmother
www.thatmom.com


Thatmom:
March 1, 2010 at 11:42 am

I would like to ask any readers of this blog to copy this letter, add your name, and send this letter along to your homeschooling support group leaders and to any homeschooling family you know and ask them to do the same.

If you are part of a group of homeschoolers who are not believers, I would suggest changing the heading and omitting the following section:

As Christians, it is even more important to understand that the Pearls’ philosophy is based on the aberrant theology of “sinless perfection,” a perspective that leads to the notion that parents are able to change a child’s sinful heart and save a child’s soul. Here are some excerpts from TTUAC:

“The parent holds in his hand (in the form of a little switch) the power to absolve the child of guilt, cleanse his soul, instruct his spirit, strengthen his resolve, and give him a fresh start through a confidence that all indebtedness is paid.”

“The guilt burdened soul cries out for the lashes and nails of justice. Your child cannot yet understand that the Creator has been lashed and nailed in his place. Only the rod of correction can preserve his soul until the day of moral dawning.”

“Let the guilt come, and then, while they are yet too young to understand, absolve it by means of the rod. When their time comes, the principles of the cross will be easy to grasp.”

The Holy Word of God tells us that only by faith in the finished, atoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross, an act of His mercy and grace, is a person saved. (“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.”~Titus 3:5) Physical chastisement by a parent cannot truly absolve a child of guilt nor can it cleanse his soul. To teach this and to lead any parent to think otherwise is promoting false doctrine and false hope in the works of man.




Who Is Speaking Out Against Abuse?
Posted by TulipGirl | Under Christianity and the Church, Pearls / TTUAC / NGJ
http://www.tulipgirl.com/index.php/2010/02/who-is-speaking-out-against-abuse/

“Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who are destitute.
Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy.”

–Proverbs 31:8-9

I know many people have been vocal in the past. Yet I believe a renewed effort–even warning against specific teachings and teachers–is warranted.

This outcry has already started, as observed by Lynn Harris in Salon:

It’s one thing for those of us outside the fundamentalist Christian/Christian home-schooling world to point fingers at the Pearls and voice outrage at their methods. What really matters, and what stands to have actual impact, is the outrage inside the Pearls’ world. And right now, more than ever, an anti-Pearl movement within the conservative Christian community is rising up in heated, if sometimes whispered, fury. Some say — even pray — that Lydia Schatz’s death will bring Michael and Debi Pearl exactly the kind of attention they deserve.

Already many homeschool parents and leaders are speaking out, especially raising red flags about the teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl of No Greater Joy Ministries.

.

In a modest effort to track those who are speaking out, would you please share in this thread those you have heard in your churches, homeschool groups, in person, and online homeschool groups?

(tons of links snipped)

Please list in the comments or email me with examples you are experiencing of homeschool parents, leaders, and pastors speaking out in your local communities or online.

.

This post is in progress. It will continue to be updated, although I know it isn’t possible to have a completely comprehensive list. If I’ve left you off, let me know!
http://www.tulipgirl.com/index.php/2010/02/who-is-speaking-out-against-abuse/
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:52 AM
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8. "A proper spanking leaves children without breath to complain."
http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/articles/general-view/archive/1998/august/01/angry-child

I do have a question. How do I deal with an angry child? When he doesn't get his way, when I fix a breakfast he's not fond of, he acts angry and blames me.

He often tells me that spankings only makes him angrier. What am I missing? CH

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Mother, I am trying to make you angry—not hurt, not guilty, and certainly not timid. The Devil is running away with your child. You can stop it. You can break the spell. For this angry perversion to survive it must be fed. Shake off the senseless guilt and stand firm and consistent in not yielding to you son’s demands. When you see that ugly head of self-centeredness pop up in your son, cut it off like you would a venomous viper in your baby’s crib. To give over to his demands, even once, is like a mother giving drugs or alcohol to her addicted child. Addictions are not broken a little at a time. They are starved to death. Shake him out of his make-believe, selfish kingdom. Kick him off the throne and never look back.

Now that I have emphasized the seriousness of this I will offer some practical advise. Cause you son to know that he does not have any say or authority over what foods are set in front of him. You do this by never allowing him to veto your decisions once they are made. If you want to offer him a choice before you prepare the meal, that is gracious of you and perfectly suitable, but never allow him to direct events with anger or ill temper. You must not be angry. No not plead for understanding or acceptance in your role as head dietician. Display indifference with dignity. Rise above petty debate and bickering. Like an army Sargent, state your will and accept nothing less. If he doesn’t like what is on the table and he is rude, send him away from the table and do not let him eat until the next meal. Do not feed him snacks between meals, and let him get good and hungry. He will then eat baby food spinach and love it. If you think it is appropriate and you spank him make sure that it is not a token spanking. Light, swatting spankings, done in anger without courtroom dignity will make children mad because they sense that they have been bullied by an antagonists. A proper spanking leaves children without breath to complain. If he should tell you that the spanking makes him madder, spank him again. If he is still mad…. He desperately needs an unswayable authority, a cold rock of justice. Keep in mind that if you are angry you are wasting your time trying to spank his anger away.

I could break his anger in two days. He would be too scared to get angry. On the third day he would draw into a quiet shell and obey. On the fourth day I would treat him with respect and he would respond in kind. On the fifth day the fear would go away and he would relax because he would have judged that as long as he responds correctly there is nothing to fear. On the sixth day he would like himself better and enjoy his new relationship to authority. On the seventh day I would fellowship with him in some activity that he enjoyed. On the eight day he would love me and would make a commitment to always please me because he valued my approval and fellowship. On the ninth day someone would comment that I had the most cheerful and obedient boy that they had ever seen. On the tenth day we would be the best of buddies.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:59 AM
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9. I call bullshit on the Pearls' methods producing well-adjusted adults.
I've read Rebekah's blog, and she's a loony. http://www.dreaming-awake.com/
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:17 AM
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10. If this info is accurate she has had 4 unassisted homebirths
because her husband is 'medically inclined'.

Will Rebekah Anast Be The Next Carrie?
http://freejinger.yuku.com/reply/20163/t/Will-Rebekah-Anast-Be-The-Next-Carrie-.html

Here is an article on how one unassisted childbirth went very wrong:

My Womb for His Purposes: The Perils of Unassisted Childbirth in the Quiverfull Movement
By Kathryn Joyce
July 12, 2009


Already distrustful of outside experts, be they members of the education system or leaders of traditional denominations, Quiverfull followers are increasingly eschewing the medical establishment, opting to leave childbirth to God. The recent death of a newborn, however, exposes a growing rift between the most zealous opponents of intervention and those open to some assistance.
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/sexandgender/1618/my_womb_for_his_purposes:_the_perils_of_unassisted_childbirth_in_the_quiverfull_movement

In the last week of June, two different circles of blogs invested in the Quiverfull movement—both as critics and supporters of the pro-natalist, patriarchal, conservative Christian lifestyle—focused on the sad news of the death of one Quiverfull mother’s child shortly after birth. The woman was Carri Chmielewski, author of the now-private blog “Carri Me Away,” where she described her Quiverfull lifestyle, eschewing contraception, having as many children as God gave her, submitting to her husband’s leadership, and, in a related conviction common among Quiverfull adherents, her plans to deliver her children through unassisted childbirth—a home birth with no doctors, nurses, or midwives to help her and her husband through labor and aftercare.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 12:45 AM
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11. Apparently that kid did come out okay.
Amazingly enough.

Cherry juice. *sigh*
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 01:22 AM
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12. home birthing w/a trained person I understand, this free birthing stuff just *shudder*
I overheard too many stories of the good ole days when one of my grandmas labored for 3-4 days with each baby at home and could barely get them out as she was too small and other female relatives trials some of which didn't make it. A few of my contemporary relations would not have survived childbirth if it wasn't for medical care.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 01:28 AM
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13. It's important that one have a backup plan if they need to transfer to a hospital. The Anasts live
on a reservation in BFE, presumably nowhere near a hospital. Whether they had a midwife or not, homebirthing would not be a very good idea in that circumstance.

The Pearls apparently did the same, once Michael Pearl got it in his head that he wanted to run things as "a bearded midwife" (Rebecca's phrasing.)
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 02:58 AM
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14. found it on the Pearl's site:
http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/nc/articles/general-view/archive////noahs-wife/?tx_ttnews=28&tx_ttnews=5

When Dad announced that they would have their babies at home, delivered by a bearded midwife (himself), Mom read up on the subject and talked his ear off about all that she was reading, so that both of them would be prepared when the hour of labor arrived. She kept herself in shape and prepared as best she knew how, and trusted God for the rest. He was faithful.

When Dad announced, “We’re going to homeschool!” Mom didn’t point out her deafness, or the fact that she’d never heard of anyone teaching their kids at home. Instead, she went to the junk store and bought five dollars worth of phonics books and set to work on her dyslexic 4-year-old (me). When the day of persecution came as a result of following a faith-stricken patriarch, Mom did what Noah’s wife did: she followed her man into the ark and waited to see what God would do. Again, He was faithful.

When her firstborn daughter decided, at seventeen years of age, that God was calling her to deliver the Scriptures to an unreached tribe known for its sorcery and cannibalism, Mom glanced at her man and took her cue to simply pray and throw worry out the window. Floods come and go, she reckoned. And God was faithful, still!

For the godly woman, survival lies in following her man. Even though he may set out to cross a sea rolled back by the invisible hand of God, or spend his whole life hiking and camping on land he claims will be his one day, and even though he be a king who holds your life in his hands…. just follow him, and look to see what God will do to preserve you, your children and your children’s children from all evil.
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15. Guidestar financial info on the tax exempt NO GREATER JOY MINISTRIES INC
http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&npoId=100139102

1000 PEARL ROAD
PLEASANTVILLE, TN 37033
GENERAL INFORMATION
Who We Are

RELIGIOUS TEACHING ON CHILD TRAINING

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Ruling Year: 2002
Fiscal Year: June 30, 2008
Assets: $1,193,540 (from Jun 30, 2008 Form 990)
Income: $1,630,312 (from Jun 30, 2008 Form 990)
No. of Board Members: Information not available
No. of Full-Time Employees: Information not available
No. of Part-Time Employees: Information not available
No. of Volunteers: Information not available
BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Name

Title
MELVIN A COHEN GENERAL MANAGER
MICHAEL F PEARL PRESIDENT
DEBORAH PEARL VICE PRESIDENT
KATHRYN A SLAYMAN DIRECTOR
DONALD R STACKS DIRECTOR
WILLIAM R BELL JR SECRETARY
MISSION AND PROGRAMS
Mission

RELIGIOUS TEACHING ON CHILD TRAINING
Programs

1. PUBLICATION OF NO GREATER JOY MAGAZINE WHICH CONTAINS CHILD TRAINING MATERIAL FOR PARENTS, DISTRIBUTED TO 81,322 FAMILIES BI-MONTHLY FOR A TOTAL DISTRIBUTION OF 527,313 MAGAZINES DEVELOP AND DISTRIBUTE CHILD/PARENT TRAINING MATERIALS FOR FAMILIES IN SEVERAL LANGUAGES
2. FOREIGN & HOME MISSIONARIES IN CAMBODIA, THAILAND, LAOS, UKRAINE, SOUTH KOREA, AND OTHER LOCATIONS, COMMUNITY AID, PRISON MINISTRY PROVIDE SUPPORT TO ORGANIZATIONS WHO ASSIST SUBSTANCE ABUSE CLIENTS, LEGAL AID, AND LOCAL CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS
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