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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:14 PM
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It’s Time for a History Lesson
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 11:16 PM by FourScore
It’s Time for a History Lesson


Social Security - Social Security was passed by Congress in 1935 as part of Roosevelt’s New Deal (DEMOCRATS). It was controversial at the time because the opponents claimed it would cause a loss of jobs. The counter argument (and truth) was that it would encourage the elderly to retire, thereby making jobs available for the younger workers, thus reducing unemployment. It has it’s own rocky past as women and minorities were excluded from some of the benefits.

Democrat.org writes:

Treadway and Other Republicans Vowed to Oppose Social Security at "Every Opportunity". During debate on the Treadway amendment, Mr. Jenkins (R-OH), a supporter of Treadway's, called the social security program "compulsion of the rankest kind." During debate on the bill Treadway vowed to "vote most strenuously in opposition to the bill at each and every opportunity. http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/04/republicans_con.php



Medicare – Medicare began as an amendment to Social Security by Pres. Johnson in 1965 as part of his “Great Society” program. (DEMOCRATS) President Truman was present at the signing and was presented with the first Medicare card, thereby becoming the first beneficiary.

Wikipedia states:
Many conservatives strongly opposed the enactment of Medicare, warning that a government-run program would lead to socialism in America:

• Ronald Reagan...: “If you don’t (stop Medicare) and I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.”

• George H. W. Bush, while a candidate for the US Senate in 1964, described Medicare as “socialized medicine.”

• Barry Goldwater in 1964: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.”

• In 1995 Bob Dole stated that he was one of 12 House members who voted against creating Medicare in 1965. “I was there, fighting the fight, voting against Medicare ... because we knew it wouldn’t work in 1965.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)#Criticism


Sound familiar???

Economic and social reform is repeatedly championed by the Democrats and derided by the Republicans. The Republican fear-tactics (that any social reform threatens the American way of life) has been a mantra for decades. This is nothing new.

Think about it, almost all progressvie legislation came from the democrats:

Woodrow Wilson supported the 19th Amendment to the Constitution granting women the right to vote.

President Kennedy's Civil Rights Act of 1964

Johnson's Fair Housing Act of 1968

Social Security and the New Deal

Medicare

(In fact, the only exception I can think of is the emancipation of the slaves by Lincoln.)

Now it's time to add Health Care Reform to the list. I know this bill isn't perfect and I am sickened by much of what has happened. But the democrats must move this forward now. It will get fixed and amended later. Just pass the damn thing so that we can then focus on making it better.

Let's do this.

FourScore
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:24 PM
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1. Really? An unrec? Good grief.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:40 PM
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6. I can't believe people are still complaining about unrecs, even with the 'less than 0' rating gone..
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 11:41 PM by inna
I totally understand why the admins did this (done away with "<0") now, though.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:05 AM
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7. They're obssessed
and confused that people here are not in absolute lockstep with their own views. The rest of us simply ignore the rec/unrec feature, and answer OP's with what we want to say, regardless of what some artificial 'consensus' of opinion on the OP's topic.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:24 PM
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2. I'm pretty sure Wilson was forced to support the 19th Admendment by popular struggle
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:25 PM
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3. Fix it first
or fix NAFTA first and I'll start my 15 year egg timer. ;)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:27 PM
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4. Yep
It's not perfect, but it finally cracks the ceiling that holds down so many poor Americans.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:33 PM
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5. Agree - let's get the ball rolling and continue to tweak it into what we ultimately
want. Get our foot in the door, as it were.

And it took me a long time to get to that point, but if we "start from scratch", we're just that much farther away from our goal.

Great post! :headbang:
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:07 AM
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8. Here's some modern history
The Social Security and Medicare bills passed without three 24/7 news channels and the Internet nipping at their heels. This particular HCR bill keeps morphing into something less and less significant, with the aforementioned forces dragging it further into mediocracy.

I'd be surprised if anything passed under those circumstances.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:09 AM
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9. good point.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:24 AM
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11. Newspapers and radio existed back then. Those reforms succeeded because people weren't wimps. nt
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:29 AM
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12. Newspapers, radio, and TV
had these quaint things called "editors". They don't exist at all on the Internet, and they function poorly on the 24/7 news channels, if at all on Faux News.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:22 AM
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10. K&R, but virtually all environmental legislation was signed into law by republicans
The EPA, the National Environmental Policy Act, the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Marine Mammal Protection Act, OSHA, and the banning of DDT?

This guy:



And on a more modest note, the California Environmental Quality Act, the Air Resources Board, the California Endangered Species Act, the Montreal Protocol, and the elimination of lead from gasoline?

This other guy:


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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:32 AM
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13. My reply to Barry Goldwater:
Why not, indeed? LOL
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:58 AM
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14. a bit of a history correction
"President Kennedy's Civil Rights Act of 1964"

The percentage of Republicans voting for that act was actually higher than the percentage of Democrats that voted for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party
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