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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:15 PM
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Marijuana Truths
POT FACTS: www.norml.com

Who smokes marijuana?
According to recent statistics provided by the federal government, nearly 80 million Americans admit having smoked marijuana. Of these, twenty million Americans smoked marijuana during the past year. The vast majority of marijuana smokers, like most other Americans, are good citizens who work hard, raise families, pay taxes and contribute in a positive way to their communities. They are certainly not part of the crime problem in this country, and it is terribly unfair to continue to treat them as criminals.

Many successful business and professional leaders, including many state and elected federal officials, admit they have smoked marijuana. We must reflect this reality in our state and federal laws, and put to rest the myth that marijuana smoking is a fringe or deviant activity engaged in only by those on the margins of American society. Marijuana smokers are no different from their non-smoking peers, except for their marijuana use.


Why should we decriminalize or legalize marijuana?
As President Jimmy Carter acknowledged: "Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against the possession of marijuana in private for personal use."

Marijuana prohibition needlessly destroys the lives and careers of literally hundreds of thousands of good, hard-working, productive citizens each year in this country. More than 700,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges last year, and more than 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses in the past decade. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for simple possession, not trafficking or sale. This is a misapplication of the criminal sanction that invites government into areas of our private lives that are inappropriate and wastes valuable law enforcement resources that should be focused on serious and violent crime.


What about kids and marijuana?
Marijuana, like other drugs, is not for kids. There are many activities in our society that we permit adults to do, but forbid children, such as motorcycle riding, skydiving, signing contracts, getting married and drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco. However, we do not condone arresting adults who responsibly engage in these activities in order to dissuade our children from doing so. Nor can we justify arresting adult marijuana smokers on the grounds of sending a message to children. Our expectation and hope for young people is that they grow up to be responsible adults, and our obligation to them is to demonstrate what that means.

The NORML Board of Directors has adopted a set of principles called the "Principles of Responsible Cannabis Use," and the first principle is "Cannabis consumption is for adults only; it is irresponsible to provide cannabis to children."


Critics claim that marijuana is a "gateway drug." How do you respond to this charge?
There is no conclusive evidence that the effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent use of other illicit drugs. Preliminary animal studies alleging that marijuana "primed" the brain for other drug-taking behavior have not been replicated, nor are they supported by epidemiological human data. Statistically, for every 104 Americans who have tried marijuana, there is only one regular user of cocaine, and less than one user of heroin. Marijuana is clearly a "terminus" rather than a gateway for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers.

For those minority of marijuana smokers who do graduate to harder substances, it is marijuana prohibition -- which forces users to associate with the illicit drug black market -- rather than the use of marijuana itself, that often serves as a doorway to the world of hard drugs. The more users become integrated in an environment where, apart from cannabis, hard drugs can also be obtained, the greater the chances they will experiment with harder drugs.

In Holland, where politicians decided over 25 years ago to separate marijuana from the illicit drug market by permitting coffee shops all over the country to sell small amounts of marijuana to adults, individuals use marijuana and other drugs at rates less than half of their American counterparts.


But isn't marijuana addictive?
Substantial research exists regarding marijuana and addiction. While the scientific community has yet to achieve full consensus on this matter, the majority of epidemiological and animal data demonstrate that the reinforcing properties of marijuana in humans is low in comparison to other drugs of abuse, including alcohol and nicotine. According to the U.S. Institute of Medicine (IOM), fewer than one in 10 marijuana smokers become regular users of the drug, and most voluntary cease their use after 34 years of age. By comparison, 15 percent of alcohol consumers and 32 percent of tobacco smokers exhibit symptoms of drug dependence.

According to the IOM, observable cannabis withdrawal symptoms are rare and have only been identified under unique patient settings. These remain limited to adolescents in treatment facilities for substance abuse problems, and in a research setting where subjects were given marijuana or THC daily. Compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal, marijuana-related withdrawal symptoms are mild and subtle. Symptoms may include restlessness, irritability, mild agitation and sleep disruption. However, for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers, these symptoms are not severe enough to re-initiate their use of cannabis.


The Supreme Court recently ruled that the U.S. Justice Department, including the Drug Enforcement Agency, may prosecute state-authorized medical marijuana patients for violating the federal Controlled Substances Act. What does this decision mean for seriously ill patients and for the ongoing tension between state and federal laws?
Laws in twelve states (Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington) remain in effect despite the Supreme Court's decision.

The US Supreme Court decided 6-3 in Gonzalez v. Raich that the Justice Department has the authority to prosecute state-authorized medicinal cannabis patients for violating the federal Controlled Substances Act.

The Ninth Federal Circuit Court had previously ruled 2-1 in December 2003," The intrastate, non-commercial cultivation, possession and use of marijuana for personal medical purposes on the advice of a physician - is, in fact, different in kind from drug trafficking," and issued an injunction barring the US Justice Department from taking legal action against the appellants, California medical cannabis patients Angel McClary Raich and Diane Monson, for violating the federal Controlled Substances Act. The Justice Department appealed that decision to the Supreme Court, which ruled on June 6, 2005.

The Supreme Court's 2005 decision did not expand the powers of federal law enforcement agencies like the DEA; it only affirmed that they can enforce federal laws prohibiting the use of controlled substances, regardless of state, county, or municipal law. It is not anticipated that federal agents will step up efforts against state-authorized growers, dispensaries, or patients because of this decision. State and local law enforcement officers, who are responsible for the enforcement of state and municipal laws, will most likely continue to honor the democratic decisions that their residents have made about marijuana policy.

Writing for the majority, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said that he longs for the day when medicinal cannabis advocates "may be heard in the halls of Congress." NORML's chief complaint is directed at Congress, not at the Court, for allowing the federal/state inconsistency in medical marijuana laws to exist.


Why does Congress refuse to reschedule marijuana to permit its use as a medicine under federal law?
Many members of both parties in Congress have confused a public health issue, medical marijuana, with the politics of the War on Drugs. In doing so, they have denied an effective medication to the seriously ill and dying.

Pending legislation H.R. 2087, on this specific proposal.

Didn't Congress vote on a measure to prevent the federal prosecution of medical marijuana patients in 2005?
On June 15, 2005, the House voted 264 to 161 against a bi-partisan measure, sponsored by Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) and Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), that would have barred the US Department of Justice (DOJ) from targeting patients who use marijuana medicinally in accordance with the laws of their states.

The 161 House votes in favor of the patient-protection provision was the highest total ever recorded in a Congressional floor vote to liberalize marijuana laws. Of those who voted in support of the Hinchey/Rohrabacher medical marijuana amendment, 15 were Republicans and 128 were Democrats. The House's only Independent Congressman also voted in favor of the amendment.

Many Congressional battles are won only after several failed attempts. Please contact your representative now and urge their support for federal medical marijuana legislation.


Critics of the medical use of marijuana say (1) there are traditional medications to help patients and marijuana is not needed; and, (2) permitting the medical use of marijuana sends the wrong message to kids. How do you respond to these concerns?
For many patients, traditional medications do work and they do not require or desire medical marijuana. However, for a significant number of serious ill patients, including patients suffering from AIDS, cancer, multiple sclerosis and chronic pain among others, traditional medications do not provide symptomatic relief as effectively as medicinal cannabis. These patients must not be branded as criminals or forced to suffer needlessly in pain.

Dronabinol (trade name Marinol) is a legal, synthetic THC alternative to cannabis. Nevertheless, many patients claim they find minimal relief from it, particularly when compared to inhaled marijuana. The active ingredient in Marinol, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, is only one of the compounds isolated in marijuana that appears to be medically beneficial to patients. Other compounds such as cannabidiol (CBD), an anti-convulsant, and cannabichromine (CBC), an anti-inflammatory, are unavailable in Marinol, and patients only have access to their therapeutic properties by using cannabis.

Patients prescribed Marinol frequently complain of its high psychoactivity. This is because patients consume the drug orally. Once swallowed, Marinol passes through the liver, where a significant proportion is converted into other chemicals. One of these, the 11-hydroxy metabolite, is four to five times more potent than THC and greatly increases the likelihood of a patient experiencing an adverse psychological reaction. In contrast, inhaled marijuana doesn't cause significant levels of the 11-hydroxy metabolite to appear in the blood.

Marinol's oral administration also delays the drug from taking peak effect until two to fours hours after dosing. A 1999 report by the US Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded: "It is well recognized that Marinol's oral route of administration hampers its effectiveness because of slow absorption and patients' desire for more control over dosing. ... In contrast, inhaled marijuana is rapidly absorbed." In a series of US state studies in the 1980s, cancer patients given a choice between using inhaled marijuana and oral THC overwhelmingly chose cannabis.

As to the message we are sending to kids, NORML hopes the message we are sending is that we would not deny any effective medication to the seriously ill and dying. We routinely permit cancer patients to self- administer morphine in cancer wards all across the country; we allow physicians to prescribe amphetamines for weight loss and to use cocaine in nose and throat operations. Each of these drugs can be abused on the street, yet no one is suggesting we are sending the wrong message to kids by permitting their medical use.


Don't alcohol and tobacco use already cause enough damage to society? Why should we legalize another intoxicant?
While there are indeed health and societal problems due to the use of alcohol and nicotine, these negative consequences would be amplified if consumption of either substance were prohibited.

Marijuana is already the third most popular recreational drug in America, despite harsh laws against its use. Millions of Americans smoke it responsibly. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.

In addition, marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. It fails to inflict the types of serious health consequences these two legal drugs cause. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat than alcohol or tobacco."

No one is suggesting we encourage more drug use; simply that we stop arresting responsible marijuana smokers. In recent years, we have significantly reduced the prevalence of drunk driving and tobacco smoking. We have not achieved this by prohibiting the use of alcohol and tobacco or by targeting and arresting adults who use alcohol and tobacco responsibly, but through honest educational campaigns. We should apply these same principles to the responsible consumption of marijuana. The negative consequences primarily associated with marijuana -- such as an arrest or jail time -- are the result of the criminal prohibition of cannabis, not the use of marijuana itself.


What is industrial hemp? How does it differ from marijuana?
Hemp is a distinct variety of the plant species cannabis sativa L. It is a tall, slender fibrous plant similar to flax or kenaf. Farmers worldwide have harvested the crop for the past 12,000 years for fiber and food, and Popular Mechanics once boasted that over 25,000 environmentally friendly products could be derived from hemp.

Unlike marijuana, hemp contains only minute (less than 1%) amounts of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. In addition, hemp possesses a high percentage of the compound cannabidiol (CBD), which has been shown to block the effects of THC. For these reasons, many botanists have dubbed industrial hemp "anti- marijuana."

More than 30 industrialized nations commercially grow hemp, including England and Canada. The European Union subsidizes farmers to grow the crop, which is legally recognized as a commercial crop by the United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT). Nevertheless, US law forbids farmers from growing hemp without a federal license, and has discouraged all commercial hemp production since the 1950s. NORML is working to allow American farmers to once again have legal access to this agricultural commodity.


How can I help?
The most important step you can take is to contact your elected officials at all levels of government (local, state and federal), and let them know you oppose arresting responsible marijuana smokers. As a constituent, you hold special influence over the politicians who represent your district. It is critical you let them know how you feel.

Because the marijuana smoking community remains largely "in the closet" and is all too often invisible politically, our core constituency currently exercises far less political power than our numbers would otherwise suggest. The only way to overcome this handicap is for more of us to take an active role, and routinely contact our elected officials.

A majority of the American public opposes sending marijuana smokers to jail, and 3 out of 4 support the medical use of marijuana. Yet many elected officials remain fearful that if they support these reform proposals, they will be perceived as "soft" on crime and drugs and defeated at the next election.

Tell your elected officials that you know the difference between marijuana and more dangerous drugs and between marijuana smoking and violent crime, and that you do not support spending billions of dollars per year incarcerating nonviolent marijuana offenders.

To make that easy, NORML has a program on our web site that will identify your state and federal elected officials, and provide a sample letter that you can fax to Congress or e-mail to state legislators. Additionally, we encourage you to join NORML and help us with this fight for personal freedom. We depend on contributions from private individuals to fund our educational and lobbying campaign, and our ability to move reform efforts forward is partially a question of resources. Please join with us and let's end marijuana prohibition, once and for all.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:20 PM
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1. End the drug war NOW
Cannabis is a wonderful, beneficial plant.

I'll say it again: my life is DRAMATICALLY better because I smoke it to relieve tension, headaches, and menstrual cramps.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. My Shrink
My shrink actually recommends I smoke weed...<g>...and I do.
Lee
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:27 PM
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5. You mentioned you're bipolar...as am I
And I can count the number of "bad days" I've had on one hand since I started toking up regularly.

Although, I stopped smoking temporarily...goddamn piss test :grr:
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:40 PM
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10. Yup...bipolar too...
None of the prescribed drugs help even close to how much pot helps. It keeps my head from flying off.
Lee
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 10:06 PM
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26. Is there anything more embarrassing
than having to hand your pee to a damn technician so they can see what you do in your 'off' hours? You know, if it was cigarettes or alcohol they tested for, this shit would've stopped LONG ago. Neither the tobacco nor the alcohol lobby would allow their customers to be subjected to such a thing.
Drug tests are bullshit. In every sense of the word. Invasion of privacy, anyone?

:mad: :banghead: :grr:
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Yup. I'm hella pissed.
I'm a smart, responsible member of society. What I do on my fucking time is my fucking business. :grr:
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 10:20 PM
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28. Exactly
I am a responsible person; I think I can decide how I want to relax or unwind. It's better for you than alcohol or cigs. Why the fuss? I don't know one single person who has spiralled down into depression and addiction using marijuana. And it does help with medical stuff. I just can't believe it's such a huge fucking deal. It's 2007, for god's sake!
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:21 AM
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42. Who the hell gave the Government total control over what I do as an adult?
I'm with WR on this one!

As a 57 year old retiree,I've earned the right to do as I darn well please in the privacy of my own home without fear of some jack booted thug arresting me.

Who gave any Government the right to make growing a doggone plant a crime??

Any politician who gives me the old "pot is bad" argument immediately loses my vote,and respect.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:33 AM
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43. "Who gave any Government the right to make growing a doggone plant a crime??"
um...the tobacco industry.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #43
77. The petro-chemical industry is more responsible..
That, and the federal cops who needed a new demon after liquor prohibition ended.
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:25 PM
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80. and the private prison industry... n/t
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #80
102. and America's brewers and distillers
Wouldn't want anybody cutting in on their action.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 03:05 AM
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119. Who wanted it illegal is the paper and chemical industries, who gave the government the
right is us. Playing on our ignorance and prejudice, it was simplicity itself for Randolph Hearst to push his propaganda campaign and get these laws passed.


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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 05:54 AM
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44. Any politician who gives me the old "pot is bad" argument immediately loses my vote,and respect.
Who are you going to vote for in the general election in 2008 then?

Obama, Edwards, Clinton and all the rest save one are going to tell you that "pot is bad".
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cullen2382 Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #42
51. dennis kucinich on bill maher
said that he wants to decriminalize pot. He wants to stop the war on drugs, get rid of mandatory minimum sentences and stop treating addiction as a crime and start treating it as a medical problem. GO DENNIS!!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #51
60. I saw that interview twice and I agree!
Changed my avatar after the debate. Go Dennis!!!:yourock:
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #60
99. Yep ...
I saw it too. Wouldn't it be a dream come true !
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 02:42 AM
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118. Yes, it sure would.
I've admired Dennis Kucinich since 2003, when he spoke out against the proposed invasion and was labeled as "unpatriotic" for his efforts. I'd vote for him tomorrow, one member of Congress (along with John Conyers and Jack Murtha) who has the courage of his convictions...:-)
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #26
46. The totalitarian creed
Urine Business is Mein Business.
We need government out of the bathroom and into the board room.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:01 PM
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79. Actually
They DO test for alcohol - at least where I work.

I'm all for making sure that workers in dangerous and/or responsible jobs are not impaired while doing those jobs, but agree that testing for amounts of drugs which are too low to currently affect performance is silly.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:25 AM
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116. I wish I had your shrink.
Back when I smoked weed, I had no depression symptoms. It was only when I came off weed that I started back experiencing the symptoms again. If I could live in a state where you could get it legally (medical), I would be the happiest camper of them all. Having this stupid war on marijuana is about as stupid as if they had a war on aloe. Nature put the plants here for a reason. If we use them when we need them, I don't see how they should have the right to say this plant can't be put on the endangered species list. Instead we'll burn it out and keep people from having it. That is so stupid. Wish I had time to clean up this post and make it more readable. Sorry, it's so long and jumbled up. I'm up way past my bedtime. Night night.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
22. Ditto...
It's also great for relief from menopausal symptoms like hot flashes, and insomnia.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:23 PM
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2. Never let the facts get in the way of punishing sinners.
Thanks for posting this.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:27 PM
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4. Brava! Brava! k & r! Thank you for posting this! (nt)
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:29 PM
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6. Another Marijuana truth.
I have only been able to find two federal level politicians in the USA who oppose the War On (some) Drugs. Republican (libertarian) Ron Paul and Democrat Dennis Kucinich.

The rest of the federal level politicians are "nanny staters" who wish to tell you what you may and may not do with your own body.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:35 PM
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7. They are CHICKEN SHITS
I doubt in their hearts they really support this war on drugs. They just think it would ruin their careers to say otherwise. What a joke. This country really is a big damned joke sometimes.
Lee
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:37 PM
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8. What a no brainer! n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:40 PM
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9. Now let's talk about tobacco.
1300 people die EACH DAY from tobaccom related diseases.

There is no drug war if tobacco is legal.

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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:46 PM
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11. Tobacco is a Death Sentence...
I don't really believe in nanny state stuff but jeez, if they're going to make anything illegal, one would think.....
My mom died of lung cancer...
Lee
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:50 PM
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12. K & R
I have had a MMJ prescription since 1998. I got 150 signatures on Proposition 215 in 1996 as a volunteer.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:51 PM
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14. RIght On!...Good for you...n/t
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:33 PM
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78. I worked on 215 as well!
I also worked on the Marin County initiative that preceeded 215.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:50 PM
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13. I smoked my first joint when I was 19, I'm now 59 years old.
Edited on Sun Apr-29-07 06:51 PM by Beam Me Up
I've smoked pot off and on for the past 40 years. I've gone for periods of years without smoking at all. Now I smoke a few times a week, always in the evening in the privacy of my own home. I do not have a substance abuse problem. I seldom drink and I've never used 'hard' drugs. Currently I am smoking cigarettes again -- I find it far, far more difficult to stop smoking tobacco than I do marijuana. There is no comparison. When I don't want to smoke marijuana, I just don't smoke. No problem. When I'm smoking tobacco, I need a 'fix' every hour or so -- depending on what I'm doing. When I want to stop smoking tobacco it requires a lot of willpower. I am a tobacco 'addict' and once I've quit, I have to be very careful even being around other smokers. Marijuana, on the other hand, has a completely different 'use pattern'. I smoke (actually use a vaporizer) just enough to get me in the right 'state'; once that is achieved there is no compulsion to go further although I may 'adjust' my high throughout the evening as needed. After I've watched a movie or spent time drawing or writing I fall asleep comfortably and wake up refreshed. I feel no compulsion to smoke every evening.

I do understand that some people have substance abuse problems and will use marijuana, alcohol, over the counter drugs, illegally acquired prescription drugs or narcotics as a substitute for dealing with their life issues or problems. For this reason my position is that marijuana, like alcohol, should be taxed and regulated but available for use by responsible adults.

I am a California resident, have a medical use permit and purchase from a regulated 'club'.

The War on (some) Drugs is a farce and was the predecessor to the equally bogus 'War on Terror' we now find ourselves in.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Thank-you!
Yes, I'm 53 and have smoked since I was pretty young also...
Lee
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:59 PM
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17. Here's something I wrote on the drug war over ten years ago:
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/arm.html

And here is a letter I sent to my representatives at that time, too:

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/letter1.html
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Very impressive
Check out his links, People.
Lee
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:46 AM
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56. Very nice piece, much more valid than the "money" arguments.
I've heard the "it's all about the money" argument for so long it makes me puke. Just a lot of cynical economic determinism: marijuana remains quite cheap and available and has a price structure about as volatile as pork belly futures. The "money" indeed! I would only add to your argument that the WOD is a quick and easy way to elect a lot of foul-mouthed politicians to Congress and legislatures and boy, they are in there. Further, I predicted some years ago that the various drug laws and court rulings to support drug prohibition and erode our civil liberties (most notably the 4th, 5th, 6th Amendments) would be used for a larger scheme to deny civil liberties. This has now come about as a result of the Patriot Acts. Even Bush says that the government is only doing under the Patriot Act what the government has done for years against drug dealers. The template has been used as predicted. Prohibition is a preacher hand-in-hand with a whore, be it abortion, alcohol, cigarettes, guns, pot and gay marriage.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:30 PM
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89. Thanks
You are right about it being a political hay-maker. Like you, perhaps, I was expecting something like 9/11 to further the long-range plan. 9/11 is now the key to unraveling the whole ugly, sordid mess.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:39 PM
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103. thanks for posting that
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 06:39 PM by burythehatchet
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:53 PM
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16. Established govt wants us only to have one type of recreational drug
booze. What? Not enough for you? Oh, you want to smoke something besides cigarettes, well we can't make money off of weed, not like we can illegally so - you see - it must stay illegal.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:41 PM
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21. Booze
How much money does the government make on alcohol?
Lee
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 08:48 PM
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25. Good question.
How much do they make off of the effects of alcohol? Verses maybe insurance claims.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:03 PM
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18. Whoops! I tried to recommend this twice!
but as you know..............Thanks for the post!
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:17 PM
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20. Kicking myself...
I want every person on the thread where people are justifying this immoral war on drugs to read the actual facts.
Lee
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:49 PM
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23. K&R, by a nonsmoker (pot or otherwise) sick of the War on Non-Approved Herbs. (n/t)
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 08:22 PM
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24. Yes!
My business...My body.
Lee
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:08 PM
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68. Amen to that
I haven't smoked it since my wasted youth. It doesn't do much for me, honestly.

But I know a lot of people that smoke it & I don't understand what harm people see in one little plant.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 10:23 PM
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29. Wow
Get you guys a little high and I get 32 recommendations...<g> Cool...but don't bogart. : >
Lee
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:32 AM
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48. Puff, puff, pass...
puff, puff, pass, mi amigo...

:smoke:
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 10:37 PM
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30. Me: Ph.D. in EE @ 24 yrs old, tech-company CEO, inventor...
... and I smoke weed just about every day and have done so since I was an undergrad. I'm in my 40s now, successful, happily married, have good relationships with friends and am very close with parents, in-laws, etc. I have dope-smoking buddies in surprising places: doctors, lawyers, politicos, teachers, investment bankers, real-estate developers, publishers, etc. I manage to maintain an athletic lifestyle and with middle age approaching (or having already passed!), the weed is an integral component of my wellness regimen. And the older I get, the dope becomes even more beneficial, what with all the creaking joints, headaches, stress.

As for addiction, I've been able to shut it down for days, weeks, or months at a time without any trouble. Marijuana shouldn't be illegal; it should be compulsory!
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:09 PM
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32. So turbo, I have question for you -- I smoked in college at bit, then later on recreationally
through jobs and grad school. Haven't smoked in years (raising kids) and often think that I would love to get back into the "habit" -- but where do all these professionals get their pot? I'm too embarrassed to ask colleagues, since I can't be certain who uses it. I want it legal, and believe that alcohol causes far more problems in our society than pot ever will. But until that happens, what's a gal to do?
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:34 PM
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34. Good question.
I wish I had a simple answer for you. It's become such a matter of course for me that I really had to think about it; I just always seem to have some on hand. It's one of those things -- so many of my friends are pot-heads and we live in a place where weed has always been abundant. For lack of a better explanation, it's just always there when I want it! It was a different story back in college days, when money was tight and it was a tough choice between gas money and a bag of dirt-weed. But pot is so potent nowadays and a quarter-ounce at $100 goes a looooong way and isn't that big a deal for a grown-up to afford. And unless you're living in Provo, I can almost guarantee you that someone in your orbit is a regular dope-smoker. Look for the tell-tale signs and let your Spidey-senses do their thing; I'm sure you'll home in on a source before long. And if all else fails, just ask a friend. It's not as stigmatized as you'd think.
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:57 AM
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50. Well, Turbo, you're my new best bud...
Pun TOTALLY intended! Since I'm such a good girl, I shouldn't know this, but around here it goes about $30 a quarter. I know the quality would not be what you're talking about though, so...
It's almost impossible to find here in my disgusting state, and anything over 30 NEVER comes through. Oh man, you need to intro me to the good stuff! LOL
On a slightly different, but completely related, topic, have you ever noticed the weed is just about the only thing that will bond you to someone in less than 30 minutes? I mean, you can sit down with a total stranger, blaze up, and viola! New friends! Even if you never see them again, you KNOW, they're part of the 'circle,' almost 'family' if you will. And BTW, I've known lots of people who did other drugs, and they never knew the experience I'm describing. But ask a pothead and they know EXACTLY what you mean. 'Pot is bad,' my ass. Pot is good. It is natural and has many medicinal as well as recreational uses. I don't understand how, in 2007, we are still imprisoning people and ruining lives over simple marijuana use.
Viva la revolucion! :smoke:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:40 AM
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54. $30.00 a quarter???
:puke: (Sorry)

'round these parts we call that Bengawi Crotch Weed. Not fit for human consumption.

It's going for around $50.00 an 8th around here for Canibus Indica (polyployd). I.e., the good shit. :evilgrin:
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:54 PM
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73. Hey, when it's all one can procure...
Hell, folks around here would probably go into systemic shock if they ever got ahold of 'the good shit'! God, I hate this state. I want to go home to the desert. :cry:
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:41 PM
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83. 'round these parts we've got growers using seeds from...
... Holland. I can usually get my grubby little paws on various strains of the notorious Haze that usually places very high in the annual Cannabis Cup.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:38 PM
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82. If you lived anywhere nearby...
I'd share the love. Good politics and good weed make for the best of friends. And it seems to me that most pot-smokers have good politics. The Repugs tend to like things like booze, crystal meth, and Oxycontin. Oh -- and Viagra.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:06 AM
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39. Well
I'm 53 and I have no problem getting weed but I live in a hippie town and a University town and I have friends of all ages. Go join something progressive with members of all ages. Get to know the folks a little and the weed will come to you...<g>
Lee
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:25 AM
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40. Are you in California?
pm me.:smoke: :bounce: :crazy: :hi:
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:45 PM
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85. I wish. I'm in one of the "redder" states
although I intend to make a pilgrimage to Oaksterdam in the near future.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:06 PM
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31. As a young guy with long hair who has NEVER smoked (legal or otherwise)
All I can say is: I've seen what pot does to people.
It makes them laid-back. A little bit lazy. A little bit forgetful. Which is why I don't smoke, I really don't need chemical help in those areas.
I've also seen a cancer victim wasting away and almost dying, until he discovered that pot not only helped manage the pain, but also helped him keep his appetite, and keep his food down so he was able to get back to a healthy weight and continue fighting off the cancer.
At the very least, it needs to be decriminilized, if not legalized outright.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:03 AM
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38. Anti-Motivational Syndrome
Anti-motivational syndrome is also a myth. My shrink suggests I use it. Every psychiatrist I have EVER known thinks marijuana should be legal...anyway... Anti-motivational syndrome. No other form of recreation has the added burden of being required to make lazy people, not lazy. I'm sorry but if you are the kind of person who is just going to sit around all afternoon with your feet up, eating BBQ potato chips and watching re-runs of The Dukes of Hazard...it's not the pot baby...not the pot.

If it relaxes some people, some times....that's cool. A few beers relaxes you too. ...but it does not make a person lazy. That's a myth. If someone is lazy, it's not the weed. ...and for some of us, it actually makes us Not Lazy. It inspires me.

Lee
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:59 AM
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41. Well, I'm just speaking from what I've seen. :)
Although it has motivated some people in the long run... but that was the laid-back part. I had a few friends who were VERY high strung when they were younger, but once they were off in college and started smoking, were able to relax and take an objective look at things. A lot easier to re-evaluate your life if you're not busy panicking about it. :)
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:39 PM
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70. I knew
I knew you weren't being anti-pot. I just wanted to clarify. : >
Lee
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:44 AM
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55. Interesting as it actually
motivates me. I make micro-macrame jewelry and smoking a bit of the ganj actually gives me MORE ideas. Do I need it to create? Nope. It just gives me an alternate state of consciousness. For some reason it also takes the mind-numbing boredom out of household chores I hate to do.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:55 PM
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88. Taz's little helper!
I, too, seem to focus better when I'm stoned.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:33 PM
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90. I clean my house like nobody's business when I'm ripped!
I love to get ripped & face a big organizing/cleaning project, like the garage. A little bit of reefer & some good music & it puts me in "a place for everything & everything in it's place" state of mind.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:40 PM
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108. Do you make cool anklets? nt
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 09:49 AM
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121. I haven't since the 70's
but you're like the second person to ask me about it. They would be easy enough to do again.


I posted some samples of my work in the Craft room on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=390x1256

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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 11:49 AM
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122. Gorgeous!! Please think about selling
soon and maybe anklets. I am allergic to a lot of metal. Natural materials are best and your designs are lovely! Please post when we can purchase, OK?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:57 AM
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57. The pseudo-scientist conjurers called it "Amotivational syndrome"
If it is so amotivational, why is the stuff banned from professional sports? I thought they were in the business of banning "performance-enhancing" drugs. By the way, I don't recommend anyone take drugs unless they think it will help. That said, I have found that some good quality marijuana actually improves alertness and brightens the outlook, a little like caffeine without the physical jumpiness. And if you suffer from bad sinus infections and sore throats, drinking lots of hot tea (of your choice) and smoking pot causes good drainage and an excellent topical pain-killer, especially important if you have a sore throat. In the form of a tincture, it was once recognized as the preferred rub-in treatment for arthritic pain.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:49 PM
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107. Smoking too much indica, sounds to me.
Makes sense - it's easier to grow indoors than sativa, thus it's cheaper and more plentiful.

Hence the "stoners are lazy" myth.

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WinstonSmith4740 Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:24 PM
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33. I've been smoking for about 35 years now...
my husband a little longer. We've always held jobs, have seldom been sick, are stable, settled, responsible, etc. All those things the government keeps telling us we can't do. The laws regarding its use for adults are crazy...it's totally about control. Why else the drug tests that tell your employer what you did two weeks ago, but not if you're under the influence of anything while you're on the job?

I STILL credit it for helping restore my husband's ability to speak after his stroke.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:03 AM
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35. Like I said earlier,
marijuana is a gateway to Funyuns and Chips Ahoy.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:09 AM
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36. And cheese...
... lots of good cheese. Weed and Westcombe Cheddar go together like... like... Cheech & Chong.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:57 AM
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37. Now I'm hungry. :)
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ronatchig Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:31 AM
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45. Bunch of dag gum
stoners, actually refusing to follow orders and havin fun doing it. Sittin up to all hours and sparkin and typin.
I'm telling you it will be the end of us all, damn weed causing people to think for themselves and ignoring the MAN.
I could rant better about this but I can't find my clip this morning:rant:
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 03:13 PM
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125. Did you find your clip?...n/t
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:17 AM
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59. Mmmm....
Touch of Lime Tostitos; that's my poison.
And Chips Ahoy! That's so funny! I wonder if they put something in those suckers!

I always said that the most powerful lobby for the legalization of pot would be the snack food industry... :)
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:50 PM
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86. Speaking of snack foods...
...the only downside to smoking so much weed (unless you're doing it to combat the effects of chemo, IBS, Crohn's, etc.) is that it seems to disable that pesky little sensor that tells your brain you've had enough to eat. I think I could probably beat Kobayashi or The Black Widow if I had enough to smoke beforehand.

Do they do drug testing in the competitive eating arena?
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:24 PM
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105. Oh, I know.
I NEED that little sensor to stay on!
My diet is absolutely ruined whenever I smoke, because somehow I convince myself that:

a) I need gummy bears.
b) A single serving just isn't going to do it.

And I WONDER about drug testing in competitive eating! I know I could kick ass with some "help." :)
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:36 AM
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47. I once read an article that pot was more addictive than heroin
Turns out, it's more addictive than heroin because more kids check in to treatment for it every year than check in for heroin. And apparently, kids are offered treatment or jail/juvy in many cases. :eyes:
I'd pretend to be an addict to get out of that, too.

The drug war encourages the gateway drug phenomenon. It's telling kids all drugs are awful and bad, they try pot, realize it's bullshit, and suddenly the whole argument ceases to be credible for all drugs.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:36 AM
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49. They smoke pot and realize everything the 'man' said
was bullshit.

That's why they don't want it legalized.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:43 PM
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71. ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!!
This has always been one of my pet peeves. Tell kids that marijuana and heroin are the same and they try weed and see there is no Evil there...what might they think about heroin now that they KNOW grownups lie through their teeth.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS!!
Lee
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:51 PM
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72. not to mention that far fewer kids use heroin, etc
and pot is rather easy to get busted with, too.. back in the day, many of my friends got busted by their parents for smoking pot in their bedroom, and were sent by them to rehab without the police being involved at all.

Those same friends loved to drop acid too, but they never got busted for that, because doing LSD doesn't involve setting it on fire and stinking up the house :)

so yeah, I call bullshit on ANY statistic that is based on kids in rehab :hi:
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:18 AM
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52. While I don't personally partake...
I think criminalizing A PLANT is ridiculous. You wanna' declare war on a PLANT, how about starting with frickin' RAGWEED?
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NW_BEAST Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:26 AM
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53. At the tender age of 5....
My grandfather, at 48 (old school irish family, start the fam young)was diagnosed with cancer.
He had done many things in his life, race car driver (local circut, bay area, when altamont motor speedway was still there), trucker (for a LONG TIME), and finally, rancher. He raised sheep and cows in northern california.
He struggled with the cancer for a long time, multiple surgeries, chemo, eventually, this began to impact his lifestyle in the most negative ways. He could hardly move without pain, and the chemo had reduced a robust man to a jaundiced zombie.
His nurse (GODS BLESS YOU NAN!), recomended Marijuana, one of his associates in the mountains arranged it, however, he really didn't know how to "smoke that hippy weed".
So, at the age of 12, at my fathers knee, I learned to roll a joint, as my father showed my grandfather. Soon after, he was back in action, and on the hill dailey taking care of the cows, clearing brush for controlled burn (eat shit george, you've never cleared brush like this), and runnin barbed wire fence for neighbors.
I didn't see anything wrong with my grandfather smoking pot, it returned him to the life that the chemo had damn near sucked away. It forever changed my perspective, and was the first thing to call my attention to the hypocrisy of the "just say no" campiegn that had filled my childhood.
Years later, I personally experienced the benefits, and draw backs of smoking pot.

Today, I'm now 30. I have hypertension, IBS, and a manic condition. Smoking pot on a daily basis has helped me keep the mail moving without pain, eased the pains and stresses of the day, and kept my mood bouncy, as opposed to one big bounce, and then a flat fall.

If the DEA had its way, it would have deemed my grandfather (and now myself) criminal.
This thing, the "hippy weed" that my grandfather first mocked, then praised, has been nothing but a positive influence on my life ('cept for one HORRIFYING, if funny, experience mixing it with to much MGD, and laying in my own puke while giggling is something I'd prefer to forget.).

The time to end the idiocy of irrisponsible drug policy is now, I am not a criminal, my grandfather was not a criminal, and none of us that use responsibly are criminal.
End this insane drug war NOW.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:16 AM
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58. Any positive effect on the IBS?
Someone dear to me has it.
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NW_BEAST Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:29 AM
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61. IBS as in Irritable Bowel Syndrome??
GODS yes. the relaxation effects keep things moving and grooving without the bloating, cramps, pain, bending MIND numbingly painfull "bubbles"....AND I've found that in the right circumstances (leastways for me) it acts as a mild diarhetic, however, it also dehydrates, so keep up on those glasses of water.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:56 AM
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62. Thanks.
It's my brother. He's on a limited budget, but maybe I can talk him into quitting alcohol (which I imagine exacerbates the IBS) and switching teams. He's a former smoker, but smoking's like riding a bike - you never forget.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:59 AM
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63. I know someone with Crohn's
he swears it's the only thing keeping him alive. He tried every other medication for the pain and THC was the only thing that worked.
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loudestchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:01 AM
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64. How do you smoke if you've got kids? Honestly? I don't like the way alcohol makes
me feel...but I could really use the relaxation benefits of a little weed occasionally. I used to smoke occasionally before I had kids but with 3 in the house (damned if kids will tell ALL your business)it isn't like having a cocktail in our society. Any suggestions?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:02 AM
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65. Put the kids to bed.
:shrug:
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:22 PM
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69. kids WILL tell all your business...
...especially when we have uniformed & armed government agents in our kids' classrooms dishing out unrebutted propaganda, telling them that it's imperative that they inform an authority figure immediately if anyone around them has weed, including their parents.
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:43 PM
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84. Our daughter knew from an early age
That my wife and I were tokers.

We didn't flaunt it but we made no real effort to hide either.

I think the fact that my wife was easier on our daughter when she was buzzed made daughter thankful rather than apprehensive. I'm usually pretty easygoing anyway most of the time.

We did make sure that daughter knew it was a "family secret" and not to let anyone know, never had a problem.

Daughter is a stay at home mom now with three kids and doesn't drink or toke. She is kind of fond of some prescription painkillers tho :shrug:
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:55 PM
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74. That is hard
Do you have any quiet time after they go to bed? Do you have a private yard? I would probably wait until they are in bed and sit out in my yard. Of course it helps that all my neighbors are cool. Truthfully, I don't know what I would do if I had kids because the schools are full of propaganda and it puts the kiddos in a really bad situation. Hmmm...difficult indeed. Can you just say you are having some private time in your own room? Little ones won't know what the smell is but pre-teens and teens certainly will.
Lee
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:36 PM
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81. Get a one-hitter...
or make yourself some tea or ingest it some other way rather than smoking it.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 03:23 AM
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120. here's a dollar, go to the store and get yourself something
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:08 AM
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66. Been self-medicating for years
Had horrible depression in my teens. At about 18 I started smoking pot regularly. Poof! I go thru phases but for the most part I am productive, functional, and HAPPY! As for motivation, I see alot of people who don't do sny drugs lay about eating cheetos and farting in front of the TV. I think it is normal and human to shirk mindless work, but then we get into that puritan mindset that drugs keep us all from being Horatio Alger work ethic success stories. What? Enjoy our lives? Can't have that!

It it not lost on me that the current crop of anti-depressants are ADDICTIVE as hell. Not to mention that inconvient way they have of making people violent in some cases....
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:47 PM
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104. Weed v. antidepressants
I've had dysthymic disorder for years and tried first Zoloft and then Effexor for it. Both of those eliminated the depression for awhile but later made me way too high strung and tense and irritable. Weed keeps me on an even keel, although it does make me tire easily.
It'll be nice when mental disorders become included as eligible conditions for getting medical mary jane.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:15 AM
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67. TRUTH - 2008 Dems are pro drug war - anti-herb... Yeah!
Except the right, honorable Dennis Kucinich.:toast:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:57 PM
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75. BBC
interesting report today - go read.
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turbo_satan Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:53 PM
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87. link?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:31 PM
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101. computer dummy
don't know how to link. front page of bbc. com
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:27 PM
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76. There needs to be a notional rally to legalize weed, it the most useful and perfect plant.
Plus it can be taxed and sold like alcohol and make 10+ billion dollars a year.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:38 PM
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91. Kicking for fun...n/t
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 03:57 PM
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92. My doctor gave me a little "off the record" advice
I have chronic panic disorder and anxiety disorder. My doc told my that a little marijuana (or "reefer" as he called it) might help ease the symptoms. I don't smoke it very often, but when I do it works far better than Xanax to kill a panic attack.

I think we're only about 1 generation away from the decriminalization of weed.

Like the poster above, I know lawyers, cops, businessmen, etc. who smoke weed. But, these are all younger professionals (under 40). The older set are more puritanical about drugs (unless it's the 12 prescription drugs their doctors give them).
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:48 PM
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97. EVERY Psychiatrist I've ever known
Every shrink I've ever known thought pot should be legal.
Lee
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:42 PM
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109. I'm past 40
and am most certainly not "puritanical." A little toke should be mandatory. Perhaps the pinhead neo-cons should be forced to undergo a little green 'rehab?' :hippie:
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:34 PM
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123. Wouldn't that be Nice
The neocons in drug rehab...meaning they NEED to smoke a little weed...<g>
Lee
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:37 PM
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124. It's obvious to me
that they're all deficient in THC! :smoke:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:27 PM
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93. I don't drink alcohol, smoke pot, or do anything stronger than caffeine, anymore.
And I *absolutely* believe pot should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:40 PM
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94. As long as they don't screw it up...
Yes, it should be legal and it should be legal to grow it yourself too! I have grown some of the best stuff I've ever smoked. Of course that was years ago. Now I have a girlfriend who doesn't smoke weed but has no problem with it. I wouldn't grow it under these circumstances because it risks her too. I buy it and under four ounces in Texas is a misdemeanor so I have no problem with that. Anytime you grow it they CAN claim you are intending to distribute and dealing is a bigger crime. I wish I could still grow it... : < ...but at least I still smoke it... : >
Lee
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:44 PM
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95. I'm sure my tax dollars have better things to do than search peoples' closets for grow lights.
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 04:45 PM by impeachdubya
Sigh.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:46 PM
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96. I agree!
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 04:47 PM by Madspirit
I once grew some stuff that was as good as Maui wowie....man...
It was like mescaline....

Excuse me while I go don my tie dye and bell bottoms...
Lee
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 04:58 PM
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98. K&R
THE RIGHT WING HAS BEEN POSTING THIS GARBAGE ALL OVER WEBSITES TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT SMOKING,WEED IS DETRIMENTAL IN SOME WAY. I GOOGLED MARIJUANA AND THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT YOU WILL FIND. LEGALIZE IT! THE PUBLIC KNOWS ITS BULL. I WAS JUST AT THE MALL AND THERE WAS A GROUP OF TEENS ON THE STAIRWAY SMOKING IT. IF THERE IS A WAR ON DRUGS THEN HOW DO THEY GET IT. THIS IS A BUNCH OF BULL.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:06 PM
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100. One Good Kick Deserves Another...n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 07:47 PM
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106. Thank you for those facts. It keeps me from going agonizingly blind.
The DEA (and some petulant authoritarian know-nothing DUers) would prefer I go blind.

Or that cancer patients suffer painful vomiting sessions.

Or that we just die and decrease the surplus population.

FUCK their discompassionate ignorance and lies! If pot did anything horrible, my doctors would not have prescribed it to me. I'll take their medical advice over that from idiots who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

K and muthafuckin R, baby.

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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:53 PM
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110. I Love It!
This thread has gotten more recommends than any thread I've posted...<g>

Pass it this way.
Lee
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:51 PM
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111. This may sound terrible.
But my goal is to retire on a small hobby farm which would be 30 miles off the grid where I could grow my own dope for personal use without worrying about the lawman busting my operation. I currently never buy pot now simply because I am too afraid of getting busted and arrested but if I can grow my own then that would be sweet.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:11 AM
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114. That sounds nice!...n/t
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:03 PM
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112. The Drug War is bullshit... just another waste of $$$
I don't smoke it personally; I tried it many times in HS and college, and it always made me very anxious. I once borrowed my dad's car to vist a friend and soon a joint was passed around a few times. I did a few hits along with everyone else.

When I left in my dad's new car, I was amazed at how poor my ability to process data became. I was going like 7 on the interstate, but it felt like I was going 100 MPH.

I guess I am wound too tight to relax enough to let it work...

However I strongly support the right to use. I am quite Libertarian on this issue.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:09 AM
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113. Poor Thing!
You shouldn't have tried it for the first time while driving. Cops can always spot newbie smokers, SLOW and looking all around.
Most of that stuff goes away. I rarely even get the munchies any more. : < I love the munchies.
Lee
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WinstonSmith4740 Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:13 AM
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115. For a very happy 35 years now.
The laws are all about control, nothing else. I'm an adult, damn it, not some goofy 15 year old. It's none of the government's business what I choose to do when I close the door to my house. Fuck 'em.:grr:
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:32 AM
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117. Indeed...n/t
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