Folks, President Obama is a class act.

[MrScorpio]

And as a class act, he has to give his opponents an opportunity to follow suit... Whether they show intent to do so or not.

But in DC, there has to come a time when even a class act like President Obama has to play hardball.

I hope and pray that we elected a man who can do both... Skillfully and successfully.

[polpilot]

1. No evidence so far. Just 'cave & wave'.

[Echo In Light]

2. All US presidents are figureheads who work within LONG standing policies/aim$ of empire

[MrScorpio]

6. That's more the fault of the office than the man, don't you think?

Sort of like a default hazard.

[Echo In Light]

8. No, not the office - the shadowy chain of decision makers of the corp/state nexus

[JackRiddler]

63. True enough, but when you call it "shadowy" it's mystified.

Parts of this nexus are anonymous and even hidden, but most of the power elite is visible to those who care to look. Just not on the news, you know? Too busy with "American Idol."

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Still waiting here

[Skittles]

4. damn straight

he's already proven that repukes do not give a damn about America - now it's time to tell them to FUCK OFF

[tekisui]

5. He's been exposing the classlessness of the repubs for well over a year

now. When will the positive results kick in?

[anonymous171]

7. "Class acts" tend not to get reelected because they tend not to do anything substantive

Politics is war. It's time Obama and the dems suited up and joined the fray.

[NJmaverick]

9. He is a class act and the way he is handling the HCR is the smart way

you make every effort to get their input and help. Then you incorporate their best ideas and then you do what it takes to get it passed (in this case use reconciliation to get it through). That just being firm and committed. The President doesn't have to transform himself into some sort of partisan hack to get things done.

[anonymous171]

17. Republicans have no good ideas. nt

[JuniperLea]

18. I think you nailed this...

He's nothing like we've known before, and so many just don't get it. I've said this so many times it makes me sick to type it yet again... he has no moral standing if he doesn't take the high ground. That is a foreign idea to many, obviously so much so that they don't recognize said high ground for what it is and so they spew continual surmising and hatreds, which ultimately tell more about them than it does Obama.

Now that he is going to use some force in a calm, dignified manner, they won't recognize that either.

Perspective is everything.

[anonymous171]

20. He has no moral standing if he refuses to fight for what is right. Doesn't matter how polite he is.

[JuniperLea]

21. He's not done yet...

And taking the high ground IS what is right. Being polite has nothing to do with it. Clearly you missed the entire point... as if to illustrate...

[anonymous171]

22. Obama is not "taking the high ground." He is avoiding conflict. nt

[JuniperLea]

23. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

All he HAS HAD is conflict! Amazing... really, truly amazing! Try another... please... this is just too rich!

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[BeFree]

10. But, really...

.. it is so fashionable to attack and smear the president, no matter who it is.
Hell, it's a whole industry!!

The in crowd and the out crowd both try their damnedest to rock the boat making waves and seeing who can blow the hardest.

Meanwhile bushco lurks just under water waiting to snip a few votes here and a few votes there, always with their keen sense of blood in the water sniffing for a leg to pull on.

Except for the warbama turns, the ship of state, imo, is on a steady course with a bright future.

[Deep13]

11. Agree on class act, hope you're right on hard ball. nt

[soleft]

12. The Ghandi schtick is getting old

But then again, it eventually worked for Ghandi. Except, well...that one thing.

[anonymous171]

15. Ghandi believed in civil disobedience. Obama belives is Civil Passivity

If Obama had been Ghandi, India would still be under imperial control.

[rudy23]

28. I wish I could rec this comment. Well said. nt

[Greyhound]

66. Gandhi was also a leader, Obama is an employee. n/t

[rudy23]

68. This is also spot on. nt

[Hekate]

13. I've got my fingers crossed, MrScorpio. nt

[LoZoccolo]

14. It often takes one to know one as well; K&R!

:thumbsup: :kick:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Can American Idol be far behind?

[Tailormyst]

19. I'm honestly not holding my breath

I'm pretty fed up and disgusted with EVERYONE in DC right now. Lies greed lies greed lies greed power.

[amborin]

24. for banksters and big corporations, he is; for ordinary Americans, not really

[EFerrari]

26. Yes, unfortunately it's not my class. n/t

[pecwae]

29. Nor mine.

I'm 'working class'.

[azmouse]

27. Yep.

:thumbsup:

Sad that so many don't know a good thing when they see it.

[asdjrocky]

30. I'll tell my neighbor that just found out he lost his house.

I'll tell him his President is a real class act. That will make it all better.

[Swamp Rat]

31. My condolences to your neighbor.

Not that it will help. :(

[asdjrocky]

33. Thanks Swamp Rat.

It's like watching people die off all around me. This is the third one on my street.

[Uzybone]

34. hopefully your post will also make him feel better about losing his house

good thing you are so helpful

[asdjrocky]

35. The post won't help, I'll be going over to his place tonight to see what we can figure out.

I pointed that out in another post.

Look, if you don't get that people are hurt and people are pissed and for a lot of people it's not getting better then you aren't seeing the real world.

I'm angry. My street is losing good people, whole families and I'm fucking sick of it. Three on my street alone, and yes, one we've managed to save.

I don't give a giant flying fuck how classy our President is right now, there are far bigger concerns.

[muffin1]

39. Jesus.

I seem to remember when people around here were against torture, rendition, DADT, escalating war, padding the pockets of the insurance companies and other corporations.

Is it easier to take now because Obama has a nice smile and speaks better than bush?

[bvar22]

57. For some here, yes it is easier...

Then there are those of us who care about POLICY and Direction of The Party.

[JuniperLea]

36. We all have similar stories...

My sister is losing her house too, her husband lost his job due to downsizing, and she has a little girl with autism and a little boy with an IQ off the chart that requires constant mental stimulation. They can't afford his COBRA any longer, and the water has been turned off.

My house is worth exactly half of my principle mortgage balance, 20% of my neighborhood is bank owned, crack whores, gangsters and drug dealers have moved into several empty homes (once worth $500k and up), I'm awakened nightly by helicopters with loud speakers and bright search lights, and oh yeah, I almost forgot, at least three times a week I hear gunshots. I can't sell my home and move out of the neighborhood because my mortgage is upside down and I wouldn't be able to afford the tax liability if I sold short.

And I'm damn proud to support a president with brains and class. He didn't do any of this. It's a miracle we aren't all standing in soup lines.

I think you need to get some perspective and quit whining. We are all in the same boat you know. The thing is, when you're cooped up in a boat with whiners, it gets fucking old, real quick.

[Swamp Rat]

37. damn!

:hug:

[JuniperLea]

42. Hi Sweetie!

:hug:

I don't normally bare the soul like that, but there's only so much I can take.

If my sister and I can stand behind the president, anyone can... anyone with the mental acuity of rock salt anyway:)

[Swamp Rat]

47. I understand, and can relate.

All of us are getting hit hard, except the privileged elite.

I am pissed at the Democrats, but I have not given up on them yet... because I have no other choice at this time. :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

49. Exactly!

None of us has another choice... but so many don't get it. I don't understand what they think they will accomplish by dragging everyone else down with them. :shrug:

[asdjrocky]

38. Whining?

See, that's where you fucking lose me.

You know who's not in the boat? AIG, Goldman Sachs, all of that classy guys buddies.

They are doing just fine.

[Swamp Rat]

40. For now.

... until the pitchforks, torches, tar and feathers.

[asdjrocky]

46. Dude, that is way cool.

Thanks!

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43. I think we (most of us on DU) are fighting the wrong enemy.

As far as I can tell, you and the other poster are on the same side. :grouphug:

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[JuniperLea]

50. Delusional?

Kindly tell me how...

[asdjrocky]

51. Not a chance.

At this point it would just be like talking to cement.

I really don't want to fight with you, sorry to offend but I'm just done talking to you right now.

[JuniperLea]

55. Fine... cop out...

I knew you couldn't answer the question anyway.

[earth mom]

53. I used to live near where you are located and those houses were NEVER really worth $500K.

It was all inflated and gamed which I'm sure you already know.

[JuniperLea]

56. I'm talking worth $500k in 1990...

I'm not talking McMansions or something that was worth $150k in 2000 then $300k in 2007.

So Cal is loaded with pocket neighborhoods that have been historically worth a lot more, or less as the case may be, than other similar houses just a couple of miles away.

My house was worth $300k when I bought it, was artificially priced in the area of $500k six years ago, and is now worth less than $200k.

[earth mom]

58. I grew up in that area and know it well. Prices were depressed all through the 90s

and then went crazy after 2001 or so when all the mortgage crap was being played on everyone.

Yes, there are several great pocket neighborhoods in that area-Belmont Shore, Naples, Bixby Hill, Virginia Country Club, College Park, Lakewood Village, etc.

I was thinking you owned one of those Lakewood/Long Beach 50s tract homes that go on for miles and all pretty much look the same.

[Swamp Rat]

32. I appreciate your optimism MrScorpio

:hi: Keep sending out the positive vibes. :)

[gleaner]

45. I don't think he is a class act ..

unless the class you are referring to is detention. He is badly flawed as a leader and making his own decisions to pursue the course he has chosen regardless of its effect on others. In his mind he will always be right. That is called arrogance and this is what it gets us. A useless government, neglect of our basic needs and a despair that hasn't been seen to this depth since the Great Depression which he is busily recreating. Skilfully and successfully, I might add.

[earth mom]

52. Is this another way to say Obama is playing chess? Sorry but game over.

The big losers here are the middle class and poor and Obama is well aware of that fact and has done nothing to help.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the "games". :puke:

[blindpig]

54. Yeah, a Ruling Class act.

n/t

[amborin]

62. +10000

[inna]

65. precisely. nt

[spanone]

59. so is MrScorpio

:applause:

[Vidar]

60. Only if you mean he caters to the elite.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

61. Yer preachin' to the choir, Mr. S...

...I've been saying the same thing for a while (said it in another thread today, as a matter of fact).

I'd challenge anyone here (or elsewhere) to offer proof of his not exhausting every avenue to work with the Republicans. Fact of the matter is that they enjoy being obstructionists, and they are making a deliberate effort to condemn Obama to being a "one term president" via their actions.

So yeah, it's not the guy who can shake hands and it's not the guy who can crack heads together.

It's the guy who can do both, and knows when the time is right for each of those extremes.

:patriot:

[muffin1]

64. Enough with the bipartisanship already.

I CAN'T show you where he hasn't doesn't everything he can to work WITH republicans. That's ALL he ever does. When does he start working for us?

The health care bill has been watered down to almost nothing. WHY? He has courted them since the beginning of the discussion, and gotten nowhere. We hold up progress for republican-lites like Lieberman and Nelson. Where is the 'hold up' so we can listen to progressives like Sanders or Rep. Weiner? For god's sake, it was only a few years ago that Obama himself said single-payer is the way to go. Apparently he forgot about that, as it wasn't even 'on the table' last year. Now he says it just won't work in America.

WTF?

Just today, he pulled the rug out from underneath Eric Holder, and decided to hold the KSM trial in a military tribunal. WHY?
Oh yeah, that what the republicans wanted. Do you really think they will like Obama because of this decision, and work with us on other issues? I certainly hope the fantasy doesn't run that deep.

Obama could go to Reagan's grave, reanimate him, give him Rahm Emanuel's job, and the republicans would STILL HATE him. We are wasting valuable time worrying about bipartisanship, and we are going to lose in 2010. How much bipartisanship do you think we will see then?

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