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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:02 PM
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Consumer Reports endorses the Health Care Reform Bill
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 01:03 PM by NJmaverick
Pretty impressive when this group gets behind a bill.


http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2010/03/health-reform-ad-consumers-union-to-launch-ad-campaign-for-health-reform-jim-guest.html?EXTKEY=I91CONL&CMP=OTC-ConsumeristRSS

A lot of people, especially those who already have good insurance, are unsure how the agreed-upon proposals in Congress would benefit them. The package of reform proposals isn't perfect and it won't solve all the problems in our nation's broken health-care system. But the reforms under consideration would go a long way toward achieving the goal of affordable, reliable health care for all Americans. So let me identify the key benefits consumers would get from health-reform legislation passed to date:

*No company could deny you health insurance for a pre-existing condition, or drop your coverage if you get sick.
*Insurance companies wouldn’t be able to cap the amount of care you may need for a serious illness, or stop paying your claims and leave you with devastating medical bills.
*All your recommended preventive care would be completely covered without any deductibles – colonoscopies, mammograms, etc.
*If you buy on your own, you would get the same choice of coverage that members of Congress get.
*If you have decent coverage now through your job, you keep it. But if your employer drops your health insurance, or makes you pay more than 8 percent of your income on your premium, you could get help to buy your own policy in an insurance "shopping mall," or "exchange."
*If you hit a rough financial patch—a layoff or dramatic drop in your income—you could get help to buy your own policy through tax credits. The less money you have coming in, the cheaper the policy.
*Kids could stay on their parents' policies until they turned 26.
*Small businesses would get tax credits for up to 50 percent of their cost of providing coverage to their workers.


We have to make sure that we can control what we pay, how we pay it, and what we get for it. Reform would hold insurance companies accountable when it comes to what they charge consumers for coverage, and how they do business:

*Insurers would have to spend 85 percent of your premium dollar on your health care (80 percent if you buy your policy on your own or are in a small group) or they would have to refund you the difference. That means more of what you pay would actually go for medical care, not to CEO salaries and overhead.
*Insurance companies would have to describe their policies in plain language, clearly listing what they charge, and what they’ll cover, so you can easily comparison shop on the Internet.
*And they would have to be upfront about how they’ll treat you if there’s a dispute, including clearly explaining your rights.

These and other numerous benefits are needed if Americans are to finally have some peace of mind about their health care. After a year of open and public debate, and numerous hearings, bills, and votes, the time to give Americans better, fairer, and more affordable health care is now.


http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2010/03/health-reform-ad-consumers-union-to-launch-ad-campaign-for-health-reform-jim-guest.html?EXTKEY=I91CONL&CMP=OTC-ConsumeristRSS


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:06 PM
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1. That makes sense. They crassly and automatically RENEW one's membership without inquiry.
I'm glad that I choose wisely to END my subscription to ConsumerReports.org a few months ago. :-)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:08 PM
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2. Pretty soon there will be no room under the bus
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:08 PM
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3. is it really crass when they tell you they will do it? This is common practice for online
"subscriptions"
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:16 PM
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7. They don't give you a choice. It's automatic and a despicable practice. eom
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:26 PM
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9. They make their auto renewal policy as clear as they could possibly make it
ConsumerReports.org for one year; Auto-Renewing yearly


They allow one to:

ConsumerReports.org for one year; Auto-Renewing yearly
Continuous service, billed to your payment card each year. We will send an e-mail reminder before your subscription is automatically renewed and you may cancel at any time.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:33 PM
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10. Automatic renewal is sneaky bullshit and also the poor product is why I canceled. eom
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:40 PM
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15. Careful! CR tried to charge my card even after I canceled online.
My card had previously been canceled due to a security compromise, so I got an email from them complaining that they couldn't charge me to renew long AFTER I had canceled my subscription.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:09 PM
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4. As long as for-profit healthcare is king, the US healthcare system cannot heal itself.
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 01:10 PM by rocktivity
A public option to balance the sway of for-profit healthcare is what would be "not perfect." Anything less than single payer/Medicare for all is politically, fiscally, and morally rephrensible. By the way, what's WRONG with striving toward "perfect" health care.


rocktivity
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 03:05 PM
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27. What's wrong is that
what's perfect to you is not perfect to others.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:15 PM
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5. But.. But.. Consumer Reports automatically reccommended Toyotas without testing them..
They have no credibility. :evilgrin:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:16 PM
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6. Oh come on? Consumer Reports is shoddy at best.
:shrug:
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:19 PM
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8. I've just been going round and round on a Toyota thread..
Consumer Reports gets dragged in every damn time..

And the talking points fly back and forth.

I don't know *who* to believe any more.. :crazy:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:35 PM
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11. Consumer Reports could not have been expected to spot a defect
that the feds failed to discover.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:37 PM
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13. They still gave many of the recalled Toyota's "automatic recommendations" as to reliability. nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:43 PM
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16. Their reliability ratings are based on consumer feedback
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:46 PM
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20. Nope. Pre-2007, CR gave "automatic recommendations" to Toyota on new models
for which there was insufficient consumer feedback.

They apologized and said they stopped doing so. :hi:
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:56 PM
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23. Consumer Reports is the new PETA
regarding 'getting dragged in every time'
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:37 PM
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12. Um, this is true. Though CR stopped the practice in 2007. nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 03:08 PM
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28. Hence I used the word "recommended" rather than "reccommends".. n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:38 PM
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14. What policy expertise does Consumer Reports have? This is not an area in which they have authority
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:43 PM
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18. If we require policy expertise we can pretty much eliminate almost all the bill's critics
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:47 PM
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21. Right. But CR isn't a political magazine. It's supposed to rate the quality of consumer products.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:48 PM
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22. This organization is dedicated to protecting consumers including
consumers of health care and health insurance. That is why they support the bill.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 03:00 PM
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25. They support mandatory, for profit insurance to "protect consumers"?
Sounds dubious.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:58 PM
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24. Judge for yourself.
http://www.consumerreports.org/oh/index.htm

A monthly newsletter that covers "Treatment Ratings," "Best Buy Drugs," "Health Living Advice," etc.

Consumer Reports onHealth brings you objective facts and clear recommendations to help you make smart decisions about your health—-from nutrition and weight loss to prescription drugs…disease prevention…pain relief…and more.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 03:01 PM
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26. Not very reassuring, I'm afraid. I think CR suffers from a case of hubris/overreach.
CR could use some competition from a more mission-focused consumer magazine. If I were still a paying member, I'd resent CR getting involved in ideological debate, and on such an ad hoc basis.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 03:10 PM
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29. I don't know how you'd define 'policy expertise'
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 03:11 PM by NoGOPZone
and after learning your limited definition of 'testing' I'm afraid to ask, but Consumers Union, the parent organization, has long been involved in lobbying and advocacy.

now if only they'd hire a few professional automotive journalists ;-)

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:43 PM
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17. I ended my CR subscription - no money. This HCR will make that worse
In my case anyway. Glad 'something' is getting done some year for some already-sick people though.

Your sig line 'proud registered Democrat' has me thinking you may be working for the party in some way. If so, please tell me where my party went, I miss it terribly! Is it hiding under a desk or in a closet? I heard in went to the bank and never came back.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:45 PM
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19. I don't work for the party in any way. I am simply proud of the party and my President
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 02:49 PM by NJmaverick
neither is perfect but they are infinitely superior to the alternative. My party gets things done is doesn't allow any sort of ideological purity standard get in the way.
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