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Tue Mar-09-10 01:51 PM
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Poll question: Dennis Kucinich |
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What do YOU think? Make your vote and post why!
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Tue Mar-09-10 01:54 PM
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1. I can't say either. My opinion of Kucinich is not a |
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single issue thing. In some areas, he's terrific, while in others, I disagree with him.
This poll is too simplistic, it seems to me.
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Tue Mar-09-10 01:58 PM
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when I have disagreed, it turns out he was NOT off base.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:03 PM
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4. Yup. When I've disagreed with him, it nearly always turns out I was wrong. |
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Nobody is perfect, but some are head and shoulders above the pack (despite their stature).
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:13 PM
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6. Philosophically, I am almost always in his camp. |
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Realistically, not so much. I'm afraid I have to live in the society as it is, not as I wish it were. That tends to force me into decisions I'd rather not make from time to time.
While I admire Kucinich's adherence to his ideals, we do not live in Plato's cave. I spend most of my time outside of that place, and have to deal with everything that is out there. For that reason, I cannot support Kucinich in his insistence on an ideal solution to things like HCR.
Single Payer healthcare is not something that is even on the table in 2010. It will not be on the table in 2010. If the alternative to single payer healthcare is no change at all, then I do not support his position. I cannot.
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:16 PM
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27. me too. except when society as it is... is unacceptable |
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which it is lately. then i don't go along with this single party facade of a democracy
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:25 PM
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28. Then, isn't it incumbent on us to work for actual change? |
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I don't remember any time during my life when that happened quickly or easily, do you? Change in the USA is always incremental.
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:28 PM
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48. I'm Voluteering to oust bluegogs everywhere ...as we type! |
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I want my party back! And democracy requires at least 2.
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Tue Mar-09-10 08:06 PM
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59. Bravo...or Brava...as the case may be. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:02 PM
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3. Interesting, isn't it? |
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That such a small minority is influencing the content of DU so much.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:17 PM
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10. Uh huh - I wish people would simply ignore all the DK bashers so they'll stop |
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Can't exactly have thread upon thread upon thread of that ridiculous bullshit ongoing if everyone collectively blows em off
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:42 PM
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36. It's been this way since the election. |
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The same handful of people in every single thread, day after day. A constant bleating, accomplishing nothing.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:04 PM
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5. Make the same Post about Obama. Go ahead. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:43 PM
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:14 PM
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7. But he's not presidential . . . |
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He was right on Iraq, right on single-payer; Stood up for the people as Cleveland's mayor.
Right on impeachment, right on the bailout; Unlike his party, never a sellout.
Right on manufacturing, right on free trade; Stands up for unions and isn't afraid.
Right on immigration and securing the border; Right about getting our priorities in order.
On most things he's right, but not presidential; Not too well liked by the most influential.
He's on our side and not on the take, But we keep falling for ones who are fake.
Maybe Dennis "the Vegan" Kucinich Said if elected, he'd make us eat spinach?
If it weren't so serious, it would really be funny; We don't want a president who's right on the money.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:15 PM
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8. Well, short is thedeal-breaker, right? |
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:15 PM
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:22 PM
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11. No "Grandstanding Crackpot" choice? |
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I can't vote in this poll.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:40 PM
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I think that your position is covered by "bad". But you know that, and you still had to grandstand with your crackpot thing, didn't you.
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Tue Mar-09-10 05:34 PM
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53. you still had to grandstand with your crackpot thing, didn't you |
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Tue Mar-09-10 07:21 PM
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56. ummmm I didn't grandstand on the crackpot thing |
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The other poster did. And who are you to interject on his behalf, one of his sock puppets?
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Tue Mar-09-10 10:16 PM
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62. sock puppet is a little over the top don't you think? |
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i was uhhh actually trying to compliment you. you hit a homerun with the grandstanding remark.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:44 PM
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20. You're not allowed to vote for yourself on this poll, sorry |
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:57 PM
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40. you can like the other fuckers in DC protecting rich assholes like you |
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i prefer a poltician working for people of my social class.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:27 PM
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12. He's an anti-establishment, trouble making, non-conformist. We need more like him. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:40 PM
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13. I choose none of the choices |
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I have talked to Kucinich on several occassions and believe him to be a good person. He has lied to me before be it unintentional or not, but like any human he is flawed. I do believe he means well and maybe some ego is involved, but I think Dennis does care. I think he is wrong on this one because he is putting what he hopes for above what the reality is and this can be a problem.
I know I will draw the shallow minded statement of this is not football or some dumb remark, but at the risk of such I will say this. You might intend to build a great football program and have a standard to reach, you have to work your way to it. The Saints under Payton had to give the man 4 years to win a super bowl which is how long it took to get enough in place to do it. Payton had lesser players and even Brees was a question mark at first. As he built off the foundation there was 2 years of no playoffs, but finally he got them to the Super Bowl which they won. I think Dennis doesn't believe that this bill is something we can work on or that we won't work on it anymore, but what he is missing that nothing done means what is in place will continue. We need improvement and what we can get is needed to be done and work to add to it. I think the 37 signed on to a public option can be increased to add that, but to not pass what we have is insuring no chance at all and more abuse by the insurance companies.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:43 PM
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18. Was that supposed to be illuminating? |
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You lost me with all that football talk. The analogy isn't even close to what's actually going on. Dennis's point is that the framework is to hand the insurance companies tons of profits and a mandated marketplace, which merely entrenches the problem instead of solving it.
THE problem with the health care system in the US IS the unsurance companies. (not a typo)
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:48 PM
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22. make of it what you want |
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I think I stated it well enough if you can't follow then I don't how to make it more simple for you. I will try to state it in the most simple term I know how. Build what you can and improve, but don't expect it to happen all at once. As good as single payer is, it isn't happening but if we work to move closer maybe the climate will get changed enough to make it happen. Problem is it IS NOT going to right now.
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:33 PM
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31. It may be that it takes time to build a good football team |
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but if they don't show up at the right field, they won't win the game no matter how good they are. I'm all for a bill that puts us on the path towards reform but it won't work to start down the wrong road and try to reach our destination. I guess that's enough metaphors for today.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:41 PM
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15. There has been a number of polls on DU and it would be nice if the bashers |
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would finally understand that the majority of DU'ers like DK. Get over it folks, he has balls and it's bad that many of our other elected Dems. don't follow suit.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:43 PM
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17. I find it peculiar that those same few are also dead set against "loony left" & ANY CT |
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... they seem like Dungeon DUers who've jumped the fence
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:35 PM
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33. Yes, dead set against the "looney left" yet do not understand why some of the "looney left" don't |
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:42 PM
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16. one of the last actual Democrats |
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and one of the last principled politicians in DC.
(How pre-post-modern of me!)
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:44 PM
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19. Dennis has Courage of Conviction |
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unlike most Dems Today.
The Current HC Bill is 100% Garbage and needs to be killed.
NO PO then Dems need to Vote NO!
I have contacted my Senator and reps and and told them to vote no, unless a PO is included.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:46 PM
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21. An actual Democrat who votes on principle |
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and the pom pom squad can't stop hating him for it.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:52 PM
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23. If he actually got any of what he talks about accomplished: good. |
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But since he doesn't AND stands in the way of progress while accomplishing nothing: bad.
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:59 PM
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41. like the health care bill is progress |
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forcing people who have no money to buy expensive private insurance is progress???? hello, if they could afford it they would already have it!!!!
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:07 PM
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44. First of all, no, they wouldn't. This bill would guarantee that they would. |
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Second of all, if they can't afford it, it will be heavily subsidized. So you're wrong on both counts.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:53 PM
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24. You should add "both" to this poll. n/t |
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:55 PM
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25. What's the point of this poll? |
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I think Kucinich is great on many issues. And I agree with him that this healthcare bill has flaws. But I think he's wrong in not supporting it. Otherwise we'll get NOTHING. NOTHING. And I'm sorry, I'd rather get something than nothing.
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Tue Mar-09-10 02:56 PM
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:31 PM
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29. Dennis Kucinich = CRAZY! |
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Too fucking crazy for my taste.
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:32 PM
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30. So you're one of the thirteen then |
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:00 PM
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42. a liberal is too crazy for you? |
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back in the sixties nearly all Democrats were as far to the left as Kucinich. If you dont like liberals why dont you just vote Republican?
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:34 PM
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32. Would make an outstanding president. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:40 PM
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34. I"m usually neutral on Kucinich. |
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Today I would say he's awesome!
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:41 PM
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35. A man of integrity who stands for the people, not for corporations. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:43 PM
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37. I may not necessarily agree with his vote on HCR, but overall I like him. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 03:54 PM
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39. He is one of very few in DC fighting for working people |
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he is much better than most. Bless his soul.
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:02 PM
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we will get the public option..
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:22 PM
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46. Looks like he has some solid support here at DU |
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:25 PM
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47. I voted good, but I still think he should have supported the House HCR bill. |
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:31 PM
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51. Individual mandates with no cap on premiums and a public option |
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not open to everyone.
:shrug:
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:30 PM
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49. Wow - apparently a tiny minority is BLITZING the boards with anti-DK crap. |
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Would have thought DU overwhelmingly hated DK based on the latest page.
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Tue Mar-09-10 05:58 PM
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54. It seems like those at DU who "hate" DK |
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are those who blindly support Obama. It's Obama's way, or no way.
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Tue Mar-09-10 07:27 PM
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58. That is how they were in the primaries as well |
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Most people agreed with them, I never did, so now they think this is acceptable behavior because no one really questioned them because they were on the supposed "good" side.
Dennis Kucinich is the most progressive member of this party. Thank god he is still with us.
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Tue Mar-09-10 07:24 PM
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I suspected as much, and this thread is the proof.
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Tue Mar-09-10 08:15 PM
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60. That's what I was thinking. |
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This poll proves that it's really just a very vocal minority.
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Tue Mar-09-10 08:39 PM
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They swarm DK threads with multiple posts attacking him, but they can only vote once in a poll. Very telling.
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Tue Mar-09-10 04:31 PM
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More than a little Quixotic, and perhaps he's taken that role to its extreme and converted it to a sort of pandering -- but good.
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Tue Mar-09-10 05:08 PM
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52. why? just look at the criticisms of him: |
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"He's not a war pig. He thinks Muslims are human. He wants to give money to Main Street, not Wall Street. He believes in safety nets and then some, and we know from Ayn Rand that that distorts the market and, thus, inevitably leads to Nazism. He's too short. His wife is too hot."
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....Dennis is 'Good'....but I can understand why some Republicans here don't like him....
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