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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:04 PM
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Why a Big Mac Costs Less than a Salad


The chart was put together by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, but its figures still, alas, look quite relevant. Thanks to lobbying, Congress chooses to subsidize foods that we’re supposed to eat less of.

Of course, there are surely other reasons why burgers are cheaper than salads. These might include production costs, since harvesting apples is probably more naturally seasonal than slaughtering cows (even though both are in demand year-round). Transportation and storage costs might also play a role, as it’s probably easier to keep ground beef fresh and edible for extended periods of time, by freezing it, than cucumbers.

Whatever the cause of the pricing change, there is little doubt that many healthful foods have gotten much more expensive relative to unhealthful ones. David Leonhardt showed this in another remarkable chart, published here last year, that displays how the prices of different food groups have changed relative to their pricing 30 years ago:



More:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/why-a-big-mac-costs-less-than-a-salad/

Hat-tip to: http://twitter.com/Feministe/status/10239794523


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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:12 PM
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1. Very interesting
Obviously subsidies probably play a role in the decline in prices of certain foods, but what I wonder is what is driving the increase in fruit and vegetable prices in particular? Could this be a side effect of the increasing popularity of "organic" produce?
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:15 PM
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2. Test aside (that is a personal preference) ... Value.
What has more nutritional value? Vegetables, organic, and all natural foods, of course. This is why they cost more... they have more value to the consumer. If something has value to a consumer, it only makes sense that the item will be optimally priced to take optimum advantage of the value.

For example, if you tax the unhealthy foods (or stop their subsidies) the price of those unhealthy choices will rise. Independant of the price of healthy and unhealthy choices, healthy choices have more intrinsic value to customers. Therefore, the healthy food could be priced hair higher than the unhealthy choice and still retain adequete demand. Taste aside (as that is personal opinion), if healthy options were priced cheaper than unhealthy options, the unhealthy options would largely dissapear from the market. But this would never happen as the makers of health food would have to purposefully price their items BELOW the market value.

So the answer is quite simple: healthy food is more valuable.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:17 PM
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3. Because it's made out of shit basically?
nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:22 PM
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4. It's amazing how much crap we pay for with our taxes...
It's bad enough we subsidize crappy food but now we may subsidize crappy health-care insurance to have "health care" to counter the ill-health effects of the crappy food...
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:24 PM
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5. In the Iron Range of Minnesota
you only get a handful of any greens, (that they might have). Say about 7 -8 stalks and usually 1.49 cents. Back on the East Coast you could get a whopping bag full for 1.00. How come greens are so high. You told to eat of lot of them but couldn't afford enough to make for dinner.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:53 PM
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8. Far higher distribution costs in that area than the East coast.
Far more people on the east coast drives the cost down and the distribution networks are more efficient.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:26 PM
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6. Abolish subsides for unhealthy food
Problem solved.
 
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:32 PM
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7. That won't solve anything without price fixing healthy food.
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rve300 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:01 PM
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9. Economy of scale, supply and demand.
The demand for a Big Mac is huge compared to a salad. That alone makes it cheaper to produce. That may also explain the large difference in subsidy money. I would guess that every serving of meat and dairy is subsidized at the same percentage as every serving of fruit and vegetables.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:07 PM
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10. Frozen Yam Fries @ Costco are cheaper per lb. than
raw Yams @ any grocery in Seattle.

there is little motivation for Murkins to change (yet).

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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:12 PM
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11. Costco memberships cost money.
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 06:12 PM by superduperfarleft
Bulk purchases require some sort of transportation in order to get it from the store to the home (ever try to carry 10 lbs of rice home on the bus?).
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:48 PM
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13. well, yes, but not my point
the point was that processed food is cheaper than raw food. PLENTY of poor people shop at Costco, and they all come in their cars.

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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:18 PM
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12. Wanna know something that will piss you off even more?
Corn is a grain, so most of the grain subsidies are probably corn based.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:20 PM
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14. ... and is used as cattle feed, so it's really a beef subsidy. nt
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:23 PM
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15. Rifkin's "Beyond Beef" still a good read today.
Would be nice to see an updated edition.

http://www.foet.org/books/beyond-beef.html
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:24 AM
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16. kick. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-10 09:40 AM
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17. New ways to find cuts to pay for HC
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