Democratic health care kabuki

[Donnachaidh]

http://www.correntewire.com/epic_fail_health_care_reform

Let me start with the biggest lie of the health care reform Kabuki. Obama, to this day, keeps saying that if people like their present insurance they can keep it. We know very well that as a practical consequence of this legislation, should it pass, workers with quality plans are likely to see them replaced with inferior ones. That is because the taxes on those plans will force employers to trade down. As it is now, providing your workers with quality insurance is breaking the bank at many businesses. Otherwise responsible employers are being forced to trade down without punitive taxes, add that to the mix and the money simply won't be there.

Health insurance parasites don't like those plans. That is why they pushed the "Cadillac plan" talking point.

Meanwhile thousands of workers will be forced to buy junk insurance plans that they cannot afford. As The Young Turks point out, people won't like the mandate. It is electoral suicide. Only our willfully blind Versailles political culture fails to comprehend how radioactive the mandate is going to be.

Prosperous workers won't like taxes on their plans to pay for other people's plans. Workers will not like being forced to buy plans, even if they qualify for subsidies.

And people will not get care. The high copays will keep people away from the doctors office, they will have spent their money on the health insurance premium. This is already beginning to happen. The mandates will make this worse.


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[Ardent15]

1. I see the DLC bots unrec'd this

Sad and funny at the same time.

[ShortnFiery]

11. There's a few of us UNPAID liberal democrats in your corner.

I just hate to see the American People punked again. :shrug:

[girl gone mad]

20. It's a shame the way we are being played for suckers.

I would ask anyone here who isn't a paid booster to actually use some common sense and compare the promises that are being made to the actual substance of the reform. There is a rather unbreachable gap between the land of hopes and dreams and our waking reality.

This administration has a history of over-promising and under-delivering, and this reform is no exception.

[bvar22]

2. Exactly!

It was masterful Kabuki, perfectly scripted and choreographed to produce THIS exact results:
Mandates without a Public Option.

"By their works you will know them."

[Donnachaidh]

3. earlier there was a thread about how much people were supposedly going to *save*

The problem with THAT -- if they have employer insurance NOW, they won't be allowed to buy into an exchange. And if there employer *trades down* - they may save, but they get shit healthcare.

And that little point was dragged out of Steny Hoyer by Dylan Ratigan this very afternoon. So all these cheerleaders rah rahing about their future savings are in for a REAL serious wake up call.

I hope they put the Ratigan piece on youtube soon -- Hoyer was falling all over himself, trying to put lipstick on this pig. No matter how he played it - people are ging to get screwed and the insurance companies are going to win BIG.

[G_j]

5. but... thousands are going to die

because Kucinich does not support the bill.
I just heard that, here!

[Donnachaidh]

9. yeah, the grand opera/Perils of Pauline bad acting has been dragged out by the

kabuki kids, hasn't it?

"You'll have BLOOD on your hands!!!!!!!!!""""" GASP!!!! SWOON!!!!!!

Kind of makes one wonder just what insurance companies are sending out the talking points this week. :sarcasm: sorta :sarcasm:

[notesdev]

4. What it's really about

is getting that money in the system to shore up the federal budget. That's why the tax starts immediately whereas the alleged coverage starts after the next Presidential election. Come 2013, with the election over, we'll learn that there is no money for what was promised.

[Cleita]

6. It's a travesty, but resign yourself to it. However, the fat lady hasn't

sung yet as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to keep pushing for real access to health care for all until my dying breath. Right now, since our present federal government has proved themselves to be incompetent and unwilling to do what is best for the country and the people of this country, we will have to concentrate on doing this state by state. The medical profession is going to have to step up to the plate also in a unified determination to force the for profit insurers out of business. Only they can do this by refusing to take insurance in their practices.

[Donnachaidh]

10. uhh no -- resigning your self to it is EXACTLY what the corporocrats want

NOT going to happen.

November is going to be very VERY interesting.

[Cleita]

13. I hope you are right, but don't be disappointed if things as they stand

get signed into law. It doesn't mean we have to give up. We want health care like Canada and the Europeans have and we won't stop until we get it.

[upi402]

7. forced buy-in and NO cost control

Team Obama has to fight like hell just to get rid of the most heinous abuses. What happened here?

[Donnachaidh]

12. that's just it -- team Obama hasn't fought for any protections beyond a small amount of

window-dressing. And that was after the leaked memos about the backroom deals. They do NOT have the best interests of the citizenry in their intentions.

Now the ones they do seem to be intent on protecting -- it's the insurance industry and it's obscene profits.

[G_j]

8. k

[Edweird]

14. It's more like bukkake than kubuki...

[Greyhound]

18. Yeah, but eww... n/t

[Stand and Fight]

15. Kicked and recommended. n/t

[laughingliberal]

16. Great post! People are blind and they are really going to be pissed when the blinders come off. nt

[voc]

19. Blind to the fact that they are paying for the uninsured and

underinsured anyway, no matter what. Hidden costs.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. K & R!

[4_TN_TITANS]

21. Well worded sentence...

"The high copays will keep people away from the doctors office, they will have spent their money on the health insurance premium".

We will be spending so much money on the premiums that the extra won't be there for the copays. I'm fortunate enough to have excellent insurance, but I can easily see the company being forced to trade-down like the OP states. I also need to get back to the doctor now to get back on my Ritalin, but the money is already scarce for copays on the office visit and script costs.

On edit: you would think that the dwindling number of paying customers would have forced the medical professionals to have spoken loud and clear on real change. They are taking tremendous hits because of the insurance industry. Except for those on Medicare, the doctor's offices are pretty empty around here.

[Oilwellian]

22. You have touched on the crux of the problem with Obama's bill

Thank you for posting.

K&R