Circular firing squad now forming. Apply within.

[Atticus]

Primary Dennis Kucinich????

What, pray tell, has Mr. K. done or said that is contrary to what the Democatic Party is SUPPOSED to be all about?

The only criticism I've heard boils down to "He refuses to simply talk the talk. He INSISTS on walking the walk!" So, Mr. K. is just "too liberal" to be a Democrat?

Anyone who would oppose Dennis Kucinich in the primary should have to wear a sign saying "Blue Dog for hire". If this comes about, will the last liberal leaving the party please turn out the lights?

[valerief]

1. +100 trillion

[anonymous171]

2. Kos represents the more yuppie-ish wing of the party.

Always has.

[Pithlet]

14. And DU represents the loony lefty losers.

:eyes: Really. That is just ridiculous.

[rucky]

30. okay, we have half the circle formed.

blue dogs? anything to add?

[LakeSamish706]

3. Totally agree! Either Blue dog or DLC'er, whichever fits. I wish the morans

that are bashing DK here would realize that he is very well liked on DU.

[DCBob]

27. Blue Dogs love DK.... he helps them make their case...

librulz are kooks.

[Individualist]

34. That dog don't hunt.

[pnwmom]

4. I don't think anyone should primary Kucinich. I also don't think

anyone should primary Obama, including Kucinich.

Do you agree?

[WeDidIt]

5. In the important votes, he votes with the Republicans

That makes him no different than a Nelson or a Stupak.

Bottom line, talk is cheap. What counts are the votes.

[Atticus]

10. You say "talk is cheap" and yet it is you who says that Dennis Kucinich

is no different than Nelson or Stupak AND that he votes "with" the Republicans!

You are entitled to disagree with him, but that borders on slander. It is disingenuous AT BEST and weasel-word bullshit at the worst.

[WeDidIt]

13. HE is no fucking different

HE talks bullshit and sides with Stupak and Nelson.

He's no better than either and we can easily elect somebody who would have a more progressive voting record.

[G_j]

20. according to..

WeDidIt


:wow: :think: :eyes: :rofl:

[Atticus]

21. I readily concede that you are the authority on "talking bullshit"!

David Frum---is that you?

[Donnachaidh]

43. got a link to back up that ass stat about him standing with Stupak?

Got to admit -- your ass must hurt after pulling that WHOPPER out :eyes: :rofl:

[Greyhound]

38. Did you happen to notice to whom you were conversing? n/t

[G_j]

17. no different? talk IS cheap

it obviously is for you

[MineralMan]

6. You couldn't post this in the existing thread?

You had to try to start a new flamewar?

[ProSense]

7. Kucinich voted against the public option, against the climate change bill

physician payment reform, the pay as you go act, Obama's Budget, consumer protection act and even the reprimand of Joe "You lie" Wilson.

All no votes with Republicans.

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

23. Lame.

When the entire progressive caucus votes for a bill and Dennis votes no, he isn't voting against "Centrist Republicrat" policy.

[bvar22]

29. DK was crystal clear about WHY he voted NO.

To insinuate he was voting against a "Progressive" bill is willfully (and woefully) misleading.


You should have watched him on Big Eds Show tonight.
He was impressive.
You would have hated his open display of what the Democratic Party used to stand for.
Remember THIS Democratic Party?

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.---FDR

Kucinich remind me of what the Democratic Party once was.
Sometimes he channels FDR.

"I welcome their hatred."
I'm sure Dennis welcomes yours, or at least couldn't care less.
Me too.
:hi:

[Oilwellian]

37. Indeed

FDR's speech is on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUL9tJmypI

[rug]

8. What he has done is show what should have been. Unforgivable.

[bvar22]

26. Dennis should be careful.

"They" killed Paul Wellstone for that ("showing what should have been").

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans."---Paul Wellstone

[Goldstein1984]

9. What counts are the votes

Kucinich is opposed to the Insurance Mandate and Corporate Welfare Bill for completely different reasons than the Republicans.

Kucinich is what a Democrat used to be. Obama and the Centrist/Blue Dogs are just trying to jam anything through that has the HCR label on it to save their butts in the 2010 elections. A good progressive is under no obligation to go corporatist Democrat.

[Atticus]

12. Well said, Thank you. nt

[jotsy]

36. Nodding avidly.

[Maat]

44. + a zillion.

Very well-put.

[ProSense]

11. Labor On Dems Who Block Health Reform: We'll 'Take Them Out'

Labor On Dems Who Block Health Reform: We'll 'Take Them Out'

It should apply across the board.

[Atticus]

15. And, if some fence-sitters decide to support a public option in order to get Kucinich's suddenly

"all important" single vote and HCR passes WITH a PO, then what?

Will he still deserve a primary?

He is different, but he is a liberal and he has balls of brass. If we had a few more like him, we might not "need" those Blue Dog "Democrats".

[ProSense]

18. "he has balls of brass"

We don't need brass balls. We need legislation to pass and progress, not grandstanding on every damn thing.

[WeDidIt]

16. Yep, Kucinich = Stupak on healthcare

Primary both of the fucks.

[Atticus]

28. Your application has been accepted. Lock, load and fire at will.

Somewhere, Karl Rove and Grover Norquist are smiling.

[NashVegas]

19. They Won't Do It.

They need him as a stalking horse against any liberal progressive who might actually have a chance to get elected, come POTUS primary season.

[varelse]

24. Kucinich will get my support

if he runs for President again, I will vote for him if I have to write his name in.

I'm finished with voting for the corporate puppet du jour.

[depakid]

25. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Democrats in congress and the White House

were holding true to traditional Democratic values and ACTING ON THEM.

(We'd also likely still have a Democratic Senator from Massachusetts and be looking to increase our majorities in the House and Senate).

[L0oniX]

35. +1

[Greyhound]

39. +10.

[emilyg]

31. k/r

[MissMarple]

32. Perfection is an honorable goal. Too bad we are human.

We define imperfection.

[ROFF]

33. In Saskatchewan

we received *free hospital services in 1947 and *free doctor services in 1962. We now have Conservative governments in Ottawa and Regina. Both of these Conservative governments would not dare to change our Medicare System against the wishes of the voters.

There are constant changes to our system, improvements over time. No plan developed by humans will ever be perfect, and expecting perfection is the best way to make sure that nothing happens at all.

I hope that Americans get a system that they are happy with. It is amazing how it will change your lives. I was a maintenance man in a grocery store and I retired at 53 because I was sure about health care.





*free as in no out of pocket expenses. Of course they are paid for out of the tax system.

[David Zephyr]

40. K&R.

!

[krabigirl]

41. Wow, that's horrible. He's one of the good ones. I'd have to leave the party honestly.

[scarletwoman]

42. Oh shit. Someone's pointing a gun at me. I'm outta here.

Fuck the Democratic party. A useless feckless spineless corrupted and co-opted organization.

I'm tired of waiting for the Democratic Rapture -- that mythical day when "the Party of the People" actually defends and protects the working class against the depradations of the wealthy elite.

Ain't gonna happen. Not now, not ever.

sw

[Maat]

45. Well, this law school graduate went and ...

re-registered as an independent (and then a Green) the day the president stood up and pooped on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not to mention international law (by condoning "prolonged detention without charges," or the denial of habeas-corpus-related rights).

They do not deserve the fine registrants who are members of their party (the Dem Party's leaders).

[scarletwoman]

46. We don't register by party in my state, so that form of protest isn't available to me.

All I can do is vote or not vote.

[Maat]

47. Oh, that sucks.

I'm sorry to hear that.