Rec if you have lost a lot of respect for Markos Moulitsas.

[FLAprogressive]

[cali]

1. not really. I disagree with him about Kucinich

but I still think a lot of kos and the work he does over there.

[Warpy]

18. Same here. Good people get to be wrong once in a while

and he's been good people for a very long time.

[truedelphi]

2. MM has a great many trolls on this board, so pls be

Patient in terms of rec's.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Too often, it's been Sexism Central. nt

[LakeSamish706]

3. I never had respect for him, so didn't loose any, but don't like his stance RE: DK either. n/t

[petersjo02]

20. Lose - win; loose - tight n/t

[berni_mccoy]

5. Desperately defending Kucinich by throwing Markos under the bus... sounds like

a cheerleading cult-like behavior. Oh, but I would never call someone here a cheerleader. I know all too well what it's like to be called one.

[LakeSamish706]

6. Well beating the shit outta DK non stop is pretty pathetic as well. n/t

[dionysus]

15. LOL, happens to the president every day, what's the big deal?

[Hissyspit]

13. So you're saying people shouldn't do that? I agree.

Not throwing Markos under the bus, but he was unnecessarily ass-ish and the Senate bill stinks. I was not impressed by his appearance at all and he made no particularly cogent arguments, just acted pissed.

[still not over it]

41. MM was ridiculously dickish in the interview

And I learned a lot about MM in that interview and yes I lost respect for him. What I want to know if Obama is SO in favor of the public option, which he is not (actions speak louder than words) why is Obama not negotiating with the Congress people who voted against the bill in the first place like Dennis. Seems he is negotiating with Stupak.

Reason why - Obam is no progressive never has been never will be and if he doesn't step the hell up and get something done he will be a one term President. which would be kind of sad.

And if this shows up as my first post it is far from it. I forgot my password and had to re register. Although I have not been posting here in a while - kind of gave it up during the ridiculous primary wars. But I was pissed enough at MM for dissing Dennis I decided to sign on tonight.

So Marcos STFU about Dennis.

[SusanaMontana41]

54. We're attacking a Democrat

who has a backbone and sticks to his principles?

Lawrence and Marcos shocked me tonight.

[gimama]

7. yep.knr :( ..nt

[LostInAnomie]

8. He was completely right.

Dk is a short myopic grand-stander.

[tonysam]

9. You can't lose what you don't have. But I'll rec this thread anyway. n/t

[TexasObserver]

10. I've never respected him, so ....

[saracat]

11. I never respected him particularly so I haven't lost anything!

He is quite full of himself and with little reason.

[girl gone mad]

12. Never really had any to begin with.

There is a reason so many of us are here and not over there.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. I just got a whole bunch more.

[brooklynite]

16. Unrec'd

...since you've made no effort to explain what your issue with Markos is

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. I just gained some.

Kucinich is as loopy as Massa.

[CreekDog]

19. Kos is showing us how to effectively disagree

put up a big stink in the middle.

do a gut check at the end and if there is progress to be made, throw your support behind the effort.

if only Kucinich could be as effective as Sanders, Woolsey, Lee and Boxer.

[stopbush]

26. If only DK could be as effective as Markos!

[madrchsod]

33. what has markos done?

or are you being sarcastic?

[madrchsod]

21. lost that as soon as he became a media star....

[Kitty Herder]

22. Well, that happened a while ago.

But I've lost even more respect for him after what he's been saying about Kucinich.

[DCBob]

23. When will you DK "progressives" realize you are supporting an off-the-wall extremist.

Sorry but that's the reality.

[Sebastian Doyle]

24. Extremist, my ass

Dennis Kucinich is a mainstream Democrat. An actual Democrat. Not a DLC corporocratic prostitute.

[DCBob]

30. "mainstream"... huh??

He is on the fringe and getting "fringier" by the moment.

[girl gone mad]

56. Huh?

Extremism is pushing a massively unpopular individual mandate while dumping a massively popular public option.

Extremism is codifying the profits of a duplicitous industry, at the expense of the young and the middle class.

Extremism is consistently misrepresenting the reform by over-promising then under-delivering on regulatory measures and cost reduction schemes.

Extremism is rushing an unpopular, unproductive bill through congress in a misguided effort to rack up a "win", regardless of how may people will be hurt over the long term.

Please, stop insulting our intelligence. The grossly misnamed party "centrists" are the real extremists on health reform.

[DCBob]

75. IMO centrists/moderates are the best hope for this country..

We are headed for CivilWar II if we continue down this extremist hyper-partisan road.

[madrchsod]

31. dk progressives are extremists"?...wow!

well i guess i`m guilty as charged....

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[GreenArrow]

40. Yep, time and time again.

For example, imagine the nerve of that cheeky little fellow, voting against IWR. Now that's extremism for you. Or voting against NAFTA. Still more extremism. Voting against the PATRIOT Act. How extremist can you get. And now he's so deluded that he's championing a people -- not profit -- centered health care system. More extremist crap.

He's pretty clearly extremist, since he's on the losing side of just about everything! Fortunately for us, and this great country of ours -- God Bless Her! -- cooler and wiser heads have prevailed on those issues already decided and will prevail again on this struggle over health care. The wrongness of his opinion is made clear by his position on the losing side of it. (The extremist side, mind you). Mandatory private health insurance for all! And always remember, a strong insurance industry is a Strong America! Zealots of his ilk must always lose; lose he will, and lose he must.

[DCBob]

42. I admire politicians who stand up for principles but..

there are times when compromise and negotiation are necessary to get anything done. Dennis does not understand that. He reminds me of teabagger extremists from the other extreme.

[GreenArrow]

51. Is there anyone other than the "extremists" actually standing

for principle? At what point does compromise become capitulation? Are there things for which there is no acceptable compromise? I have yet to see the Republicans compromise on anything, nor show any wilingness to. Is there anything the Democrats won't compromise on?

Just getting something done for the sake of getting something done, however much apparent compromise and negotiation is going on, doesn't necessarily mean that what gets done is worth doing. That appears to be the case in the health care debate where both sides clearly cannot or will not envision any kind of health care system that doesn't revolve around a nucleous of profit making. Our "Uniquely American" for-profit health care system must be protected. The insurance industry must be protected. Both sides are in fealty to it, so they'll dance around the very thing that is needed, namely, putting the insurance companies to heel, and under the pretense of "compromise and negotiation" -- the Republicans will do niether, in good faith -- foist some crap on us.

[DCBob]

74. A good politician knows when to stand ground and when to compromise..

Dennis knows neither.

[GreenArrow]

77. We'll have to disagree.

He's standing his ground for a real solution while the others (with few exceptions) are playing games. He's not likely to be popular or successful in it, but he is likely to be proven right. Time will tell.

[KoKo]

45. +1 for excellent Satire...

[Agony]

72. +2 for clear headed satire (CHS)

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[Individualist]

46. Better question: when will DLCers realize how transparent they are?

[DCBob]

48. DLCers?? I have no affiliation with DLC and not even sure what that means.

Is that supposed to be an insult? Please explain.

[Roland99]

57. About the same time that Rush Limbaugh becomes a fan of Keith Olbermann's Facebook page.

[madrchsod]

25. i have never figured out why his opinions matter

what grand insight does he bring to warrant even this post and replies....

[bemildred]

27. I'd have to have some to lose it. nt

[GreenArrow]

28. Not reccing, but I never had any respect for him anyway. n/t

.

[TheCowsCameHome]

29. If I only knew who he was.........

[madrchsod]

32. he started a site that`s never changed

became very popular,attracted media attention,and he became a big star...other than that you ain`t missing anything of substance.

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. The name sounds like the guy that opened a pizza house where I grew up.

Other than that, I know nothing about him.

[KoKo]

36. Good Point...and look at all the Activists who split off from there..

while Markos rests on his early years. Same thing with Move On. org. Site who could have lasted but folks got fed up and moved on.

Best think one could say about both Kos and Move On is that they spawned some good people...and gave a voice to the few when no one else would. Yet...why was it they didn't follow through? That's a question that needs some answering somewhere when history of the first days of Internet Activism swept the net.

[Political Heretic]

49. He started a site where almost 70% of its members are rich white people, according to its own survey

Technically the term would be "upper middle class" (said in snooty voice) not "rich." Unless your a regular working stiff, or a poor family trying to make ends meet. Then its "rich."

[tnlefty]

37. Raising hand.

:kick:

[KoKo]

38. Site doesn't seem to be recording +1 Votes as of now. I gave you one

but it wasn't recorded.

[sendero]

39. Disagree with Kucinich?

Cool.

Call him "reprehensible". Fuck you. Moron.

[557188]

43. Never had respect for Markos to begin with

[Political Heretic]

47. I've never had any respect for Markos Moulitsas to start with.

He enjoys the limelight, and is happy to tow that status quo line of trivial "left" / "right" back and forth in order to stay in it and be accepted by the beltway.

He cares more about when is face will be on pundit TV next than he does about anything else.

[tnlefty]

53. I'll admit to having a certain amount of repsect for him

when he was on my teevee machine slapping Harold Ford, Jr. upside the head.:hi:

But he's managed to wipe that little bit of respect away now.

[Moochy]

50. daily kos?

more like neverkos.

[tularetom]

52. I voted for Dennis Kucinich in the 08 CA primary

but I wouldn't vote for him again for dogcatcher.

I think he believes things won't get better until after they get a lot worse for the middle class in this country, and he is willing to help the getting worse part happen by shit canning the modest reform represented by the senate bill.

His approach would hurt a lot of Americans in the short term with no guarantee that it would help anybody in the long term.

I don't think he really wants to help. I think he wants the ego satisfaction of saying "see, I told you so".

I'm 100% with Moulitsas on this. If Kucinich wants to be another Ralph Nader, let him. How much attention is anybody paying to Ralph these days?

[POAS]

55. +1 n/t

[Canuckistanian]

58. Not me

MM was around for the very BEGINNING of "Netroots". I remember back in 1998/1999, there were a HANDFUL of progressive sites - and MM was one of them.

Kucinich, on the other hand, has taken one too many "principled stands". I'm not saying he's wrong, but there are OTHER WAYS to influence politics. And sometimes it means going with the flow to get things STARTED.

[flvegan]

59. What do I rec if I never had any real respect for him/it?

[Juche]

60. I had problems with him before, but agree what Kucinich is doing is a bad idea

However insulting Kucinich was going too far.

[seabeckind]

61. Didn't have a lot for Kos to start with

I thought he was wearing a progressive sign but was more centrist.

Everytime I hear that "Perfect the Enemy of the Good" I want to absolutely scream. Yep, we're americans, go for the bronze -- it's the best we might be able to do...we're number 3 for sure!!!

Sorry, that isn't how we became a great country. But sure as hel is the way we'll quit being one. F'in loser Rahm.

<on edit> GO DENNIS!!!!

[BlooInBloo]

62. Here's a list of Kucinich's legislative accomplishments:

[scheming daemons]

63. lol... unrecced into oblivion.... not the response you expected, eh?

...

[aikoaiko]

64. I never paid attention much.

:shrug:

[angelicwoman]

65. Rec'ed n/t

[Greyhound]

66. I never have had any so I haven't lost any. He's a fucking libertarian/Raygun democrat weasel

out for himself alone. The only reason he's not a Faux contributor is that he was too young to get in while the pickings were lush. 20 years ago I would have been surprised that he's taken so many people in.

[Ozymanithrax]

67. Markos Moulitsas, I didn't think you had it in you. Good Job...

Markos Moulitsas To Kucinich: You'll Be Primaried If You Kill Reform

[CreekDog]

68. nope

in fact, have gained.

Kos is one of the reasons we have come as far as we have.

I don't fault Dennis for his positions, but I can't say it's gotten me anything.

[Hannah Bell]

69. i don't have respect for intelligence operatives.

[Moochy]

80. "Of course they have their dirty ops and this and that right?"

"But as an institution itself the CIA is actually interested in a stable world, that’s what they are interested in… and stable worlds aren’t created by destabilizing regimes and by,...by starting wars... they (The CIA) have done so by other methods…. assassinating labor leaders…..no, I’m kidding….....but that was really surprising to me”

from his 2006 speech to the Commonwealth Club.

[lonestarnot]

70. I was liking the guy's input until tonight.

:thumbsdown: Why does he support the idea of mandated insurance fucking cos. customer base?

[lamp_shade]

71. Well done Markos.

[Junkdrawer]

73. K&R

[ShortnFiery]

76. Rec, he's a corporate democrat. I don't claim him any longer. eom

[Maru Kitteh]

78. I never had any to begin with. I always thought he was a narcissistic little prick

But as they say. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[slackmaster]

79. I have no idea who Markos Moulitsas is, so I hever had any respect for him

:shrug: