Fuck this guy and fuck those who "honored" him tonight.

[Stinky The Clown]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/359991-michael-vick-receives-ed-block-courage-award

Michael Vick Receives Ed Block Courage Award
by Michael Coomer

With protesters outside, Michael Vick was awarded the Ed Block Courage Award.

The award is presented to players who show a commitment to the principles of sportsmanship and courage. Vick was selected unanimously by his team mates.

"I'm very humbled to be here," Vick said before the award ceremony. "I'm blessed to be voted by my peers, to be here, and this is an opportunity that I will take advantage of and cherish forever."

This is the first award Vick has received since being reinstated in September 2009.

Vick ran the wildcat offense for the Philadelphia Eagles and completed six of 13 passes for 86 yards and one touchdown.



This thug belongs in a halfway house doing penance, not getting a fucking award.

And where's the courage award for this poor creature?



Feh ....... what bullshit.

[nickinSTL]

1. completely agree with you

this is complete BS.

[roguevalley]

36. don't forget the black one, Cherry, who was used as a bait dog

and was so bitten and traumatized that it lay on the ground and had to be carried everywhere it went for weeks.

[BonnieJW]

116. I saw her on Dog Town and cried.

She was so sweet and dear. How awful for her. I hope she found a fabulous home.

[Wabbajack_]

410. "Vick was selected unanimously by his team mates"

After they were directed to no doubt. What a fucking crock.

[Bluebear]

2. ***COURAGE?!?!?!*** . . . spit take

[Critters2]

211. +1 nt

[AtheistCrusader]

277. Of course he got an award for his courage.

Man, it takes balls of carbon steel to stand up and accept an award like that, with his history. Courage to spare!

Not a shred of dignity though. Guess all that 'courage' came at a price.

[Tailormyst]

3. Disgusting

What fucking courage? Fuck the Eagles.

[liquid diamond]

53. Don't disrepsect my team.

Vick did his time. I understand some here won't forgive him, but he is a free man and speaking against dog fighting. He can't change the past, but he is making a better future for abused dogs.

[TheWatcher]

75. Vick is a waste of oxygen, and The Eagles are only hurting themselves, the fans, and the City

by continuing to prop him up.

Fuck Michael Vick.

I'll disrespect him all I want, and there isn't ANYTHING you can do about it.

He's a coward, a monster, and a thug.

Rehabilitated my ass.

What form of Fake, Kabuki Theater will Americans NOT Fall for anymore?

Idiocracy was a DOCUMENTARY.

[liquid diamond]

245. What a rant. He must have hit a nerve.

:rofl:

[TheWatcher]

259. Hey, if you're comfortable being an apologist for Vick have at it.

I'll be happy to disrespect you, too.

[The Wielding Truth]

338. What has he done that has shown exceptional sportsmanship?

[Beavker]

420. You mean the fans that threw snowballs at Santa?

Hmmm. Maybe a good fit. Sports is becoming classless at all levels anymore.

[Leftist Agitator]

421. Why not direct your rage to someone more deserving?

:shrug:

[lukasahero]

78. Fuck your team

You honestly care more about someone saying nasty words about "your" team than you do about the implication of giving a man an award for courage after the abuse he perpetrated on these innocent beasts?

No wonder this country is so fucked up.

[Plucketeer]

202. That's the truth!

And to think - there's a bunch of kids looking up to this shit head as some kind of shining example! Here, let me prepare a suitable meal for Mr. Vick...:puke:

[liquid diamond]

248. Vick is a member of my team, so I will defend him.

He did his time in prison. He is sorry for what he did and is making amends for it. In the end, I think will help more dogs than the amount that he has hurt. Give it time.

[Critters2]

295. Lots of people help animals without having slammed any against walls

or electrocuted any in the first place. What kind of awards do they get?

[liquid diamond]

456. I remember you. Dude, go play with your beagle. You're not wasting

anymore of my time.

[Critters2]

474. Dude!

:rofl:

[wolfgangmo]

321. You own a team?

Just how fucking rich are you?

[UpInArms]

423. just some anonymous poster who disables their profile

claiming to have anything, yet showing they are less than nothing as they root for "their team" as though that "team" is anything but shit for supporting a piece of animal abusing shit.

[liquid diamond]

455. You can't be serious with that question. Stay on topic dude.

[Crunchy Frog]

404. That sounds like the same philosophy that the Republicans follow.

[liquid diamond]

454. For God's sake. This isn't even a political discussion and

somebody has to bring up the "you're a secret freeper poster" card. Really lame.

[liberalhistorian]

436. He isn't sorry for what he did. He's sorry

he got caught and had to do time for it. THAT is what he's "sorry" for. Besides being a sorry excuse for a human being, too.

[MrMickeysMom]

491. How do you know what he is or isn't?

Are you psychic?

Forget it...

[Scout]

493. you don't know any more that he IS sorry than we do that he is NOT

are you psychic?

[MrMickeysMom]

499. "you don't know any more ... than WE do..."

Who is this "we" to whom you refer?

Am I having a conversation with more than one person?

Like I said.... forget it. The point becomes lost on you because any valid question is met with another question. That's what happens when you take this very defensive position.

[Scout]

509. WE is all the other people in this thread

who don't believe for one fucking second that he is sorry.

oh, he IS a sorry piece of shit excuse for a human being....

[tango-tee]

502. I doubt he is sorry for what he did. He is sorry that he got caught.

Otherwise he'd still be out there torturing animals and laughing about it.

[Tailormyst]

79. Your team is a bunch of fuckwads for giving that piece of shit an award for torturing dogs

Nice message to send to the kiddies huh? Fuck your "team" and Vicks is a piece of garbage who deserves to be flipping burgers somewhere for life. He isn't doing jack shit for any other reason then the selfish need to restore his brand. If he wasn't caught he would STILL be torturing dogs for pleasure.

[liquid diamond]

251. He did not get the award for torturing dogs.

Get your facts straight. What really bothers you people is that Vick is still a successful athlete playing the most popular sport in America. Boo hoo. He paid his debt to society. Time to move on kiddies. There are bigger fish to fry. Go Eagles!

[Tailormyst]

263. Yes- had he not tortured the dogs he would not have gotten the award

The Eagles should be ASHAMED for giving him THAT award. Disgusting.

[Shell Beau]

323. No, not so much. What bothers people is that he tortured

helpless animals. Ok, so he paid his debt (that is debatable), but to be awarded with an honor such as courage when he has shown the exact opposite, well, that tends to piss people off. Espcecially people who aren't even over what he did and won't get over it. He deserves no such award, and from what I can tell, you are defending him because of some stupid team he plays on.

[Critters2]

487. Indeed. A courageous man would have at least owned up to his crimes

when first caught. Instead, this stain on the human race lied and tried to cover up his activities. His dogs should get the courage award.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

335. I bet if he played for another team, you wouldn't let him forget

Philly is as Philly does.

[liberalhistorian]

437. Football Uber Alles and the hell with

abusive, immoral, unethical behavior as long as you contribute to Football and Sports Uber Alles, eh? Got it.

[Critters2]

486. Actually, he did. If he had not tortured those dogs,

he'd be just any player. Many who know football think he's really not that special a player. So, what brought him this attention was his torture of dogs, his stint (short stint) in prison, and the "cred" that bought him with the other thugs in the NFL.

He certainly did get this award for torturing dogs.

[Patiod]

89. LD - he said last week he wants to play elsewhere

I hope he does.

[Kalyke]

100. Let's hope he goes to play in traffic somewhere.

Evil man.

[Wednesdays]

104. Why is he not playing in prison somewhere?

:shrug:

[Toasterlad]

132. He WAS In Prison.

He served a longer sentence than some murderers have. How long would his sentence have had to be to make you feel comfortable?

[Ohio Metal]

144. I agree that he did his time

However, he should have been banned from the NFL for violation of ethics along with the other shit stirrers currently in the NFL. Bengals players included.

Q:How bad do you have to be that even Mike "The Redeemer" Brown won't touch you?
A: Michael Vick dog killing bad.

[LanternWaste]

153. And a much shorter sentence than people who get busted for smoking pot

"He served a longer sentence than some murderers have...."

And a much shorter sentence than people who get busted for smoking pot. However I do not perceive how his sentencing should be predicated on that of a murderer or a pot smoker.

[Toasterlad]

208. Well, Why Don't We Just Let YOU Decide How Long He Should Have Been In Jail?

Although you're the person who defended the guy who thought the monster who murdered Larry King should have only received 10 years in jail at most. If killing a gay kid only gets you 10 years, what does Michael Vick get? A time out? Or are you another one who believes that animal lives are more important than human lives?

[LanternWaste]

279. Invalid use of the "Or" qualifier

"Or are you another one who believes that animal lives are more important than human lives?"

Invalid use of the "Or" qualifier-- implying there are only two choices when in reality, there are many more-- regardless of whether your perceive that or not.

"although you're the person who defended the guy who thought..."
You can of course verify that, yes? Becuse to be honest, I don't even know who Larry King is...

"Well, Why Don't We Just Let YOU Decide How Long He Should Have Been In Jail..."
Irrelevant-- my observation was that that the sentencing of one case is nor predicated on the sentencing of another.

You're really coming across as just another fan boy. I'm sure you're much more civil and mature in person, but it seems that your passion for a sports franchise is really clouding yor ability to see anything other than what you want to at this point in time. Maybe a self-imposed time-out for yourself would be in order until you think and come across in more... intelligent manner. :shrug:

[Toasterlad]

387. I Was Against the Eagles Signing Vick, And Didn't Want Him On the Team

This has nothing to do with the Eagles. This has everything to do with the over the top vitriol that people typically engage in whenever an animal is harmed, while harm done to human beings is considered unremarkable.

What Vick did was horrific. But the venom on this thread is ludicrous when compared to what happens every day to people in America's cities, and to people around the world in war-torn areas.

And I'm sorry to have to say that it doesn't surprise me at all that you don't know who Larry King is. Do a DU search of his name and mine if you want to want to be reminded of how YOU lectured ME for being over the top. I guess it's warranted when it's a bunch of dogs getting killed, but not so much when it's a 14 year old gay boy.

And you can take your time-out and shove it up your puppy poop chute.

[quickesst]

414. This sentence....

"This has everything to do with the over the top vitriol that people typically engage in whenever an animal is harmed, while harm done to human beings is considered unremarkable."

...says it all, though I don't believe there is enough "get it" there to actually get it. Thanks for saying it anyway.
quickesst

[LanternWaste]

417. Of course, you can understand why I'm a bit confused

"You're the person who defended the guy who thought the monster who murdered Larry King should have only received 10 years in jail at most"

and then...

"And I'm sorry to have to say that it doesn't surprise me at all that you don't know who Larry King is..."
Of course, you can understand why I'm a bit confused-- you appear to be simply making things up or are merely confused; first accusing me of defending someone I'm completely unaware of or have zero recollection of, and then dismissing your initial statement with use of further insults.

I would certainly welcome any links you can provide which would shed additional light on anything I may or may have said regarding him specifically and any defenses I made of him specifically... :shrug:


"But the venom on this thread is ludicrous when compared to what happens every day..."
I've seen quite a few visceral, angry and impassioned reactions today to posts on HCR, to education, to the legacies of the Bush administration, to the conflict in the mid-east, to Cheney, to radio talk shows, to firearms in our culture, to sexual assault and abuse, indeed-- to an entire host of different topics. Whether we choose to see and acknowledge them or not is our responsibility-- not of anyone else.

It compels me to believe that how we may react to one thing has little to no bearing on how we may react to another, wholly unrelated thing. My reactions to the current war have nothing to do with the violence in our culture-- I may speak of one and yet maintain my passion and morality for the other, as there is (I believe) a time and a place for all things...


The only reason I suggested you take a time out is because you appear to be somewhat... erratic and unstable in many of your posts this evening-- angrily lashing out at people who have done you no disservice, no harm, nothing at all other than take a diametric position to yours or ask questions.

However, if you are indeed resigned to acting in this most unseemly fashion, I can only presume that my time would be better served discussing issues (regardless of how small or how large) with a more mature audience. Some may see that as a helpful hint, while other may see it as no more than an insult to better maintain and justify their petulance. I imagine it depends on our perspectives.I certainly hope your day gets better if it's not already.

(Thank you for your perspectives, they will certainly receive all the attention and analysis they indeed warrant...)

[Toasterlad]

452. My Day Is Fine, Thanks.

Stay confused all you want. I told you how to find the information. If you don't remember what happened to Larry King, and your reaction to it, and can't be bothered to pull it up yourself, that's on you. It just underscores how phony your "concern" for others is. You can shove your false advice right up there beside your "time-out".

As for the vitriol, it's a matter of perspective. I won't bother to explain it further than that, since it's pretty clear you're not interested in a real discussion; you're replying to me only in an attempt to exert some kind of moral superiority. That's the kind of stuff you pulled in the Larry King thread, too. You must be a christian.

Have a nice night.

[liquid diamond]

253. For the hundreth time he has already served his time in prison.

[Critters2]

298. Still not qualified for any award. nt

[BonnieJW]

118. There may be a great place for him in hell.

[Myrina]

159. Let's make him the halftime show at next year's Superbowl ...

.... take him out to the 50 yard line & shoot him in the knee caps, douse him with water and electrocute him, body slam him a couple times and then let several of his 'dawgs' loose to have what's left of his miserable carcass. The twisted sick fucker doesn't deserve to be alive.

[Chulanowa]

252. I doubt the dog would participate

They have a higher standard of ethics than that, after all

[tango-tee]

505. A thousand times "yes" to what you wrote.

:mad:

What a sorry excuse for a human being he is.

[NM_hemilover]

90. True,

He did his time and paid his debt, as well as have the right to play in the NFL. Not to mention the fact he is a top shelf player.

Additionally, he is douche tool who is only "sorry" because he got caught. He not only has a physical trainer to keep him in top shape, he has publicity trainers to try and polish the turd that he is. The Eagles fans will get over it because they ARE Eagles fans.

However, the rest of us are allowed to "disrespect" your team all we want, the Eagles were fucking lame before they started courting Vick, and now that they have him they are just pathetic and sad. He's a great player, but the organization is full of bottom feeders, and can justify forgiveness of any crime no matter how low and horrific in the name of a winning season.

And so can their fans.

[City Lights]

91. Respect is earned.

Your team failed in a major way when they decided to honor Vick.

[Kalyke]

99. The recidivism rate for animal abusers is nearly 100 percent.

Forgive him my ass.

He can take a long walk off a short pier, as far as I'm concerned.

[Critters2]

207. Yep. I figure it's only a matter of time before he's fighting dogs again,

if he isn't already.

[blondeatlast]

111. They earned their disrespect. I damn well will disrespect them. nt

[Orsino]

114. Fuck the people who put him on your team.

Fuck everyone who minimizes animal (or people) torture.

Fuck the people who let him walk our streets without treatment.

Fuck the people who gave him an award named after courage.

[MadBadger]

120. LOL, like the Eagles and their fans are so fucking respectful.

[Toasterlad]

131. I Know! They Threw Snowballs At Santa Claus 40 Years Ago!

They're clearly classless!

[MadBadger]

134. This is how eagles fans treat opposing teams' fans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2isksLw0jW8&feature=related

[Toasterlad]

135. I Know! No One Would Ever Think Of Throwing a Snowball in New York or Cleveland or Cincinnati!

Why are Eagles fans the only monsters in the NFL???

[MadBadger]

137. You can cut your Bullshit sarcasm

[Toasterlad]

141. How Can I When Eagles Fans Are FREELY ROAMING THE STREETS???

It could snow again ANY MINUTE!

[TK421]

315. All they have is the snowball incident, Toasterlad! Let them have it!

Let 'em have it, since it seems to be their only ammunition...let them have it

[TK421]

317. RUN!!!!!!! Run for your fucking lives!!!@@!#@$@$

:rofl:

[LanternWaste]

168. They're the only ones who pack batteries inside of their snowballs...?

"Why are Eagles fans the only monsters in the NFL???"

They're the only ones who pack batteries inside of their snowballs...?

[Toasterlad]

199. And That Happened When....?

[LanternWaste]

201. We're placing time limits on this...?

"And That Happened When....?"
When I was watching the game as it happened. Good enough for me.


We're placing time limits on this...? What then is the time limit, and on what is that limit based?

[Toasterlad]

209. You Watched This Game When?

[LanternWaste]

246. On a Sunday if I recall...

On a Sunday if I recall...


(and still waiting on your statute of limitations answer and what it's based off of...)

[Toasterlad]

371. What Was the Date This Supposed Battery Ice Ball Was Thrown?

Who were the Eagles playing?

[Toasterlad]

237. That's What I Thought.

[LanternWaste]

247. What did you think?

What did you think? :shrug:

[TK421]

322. What game was this when people were hit with batteries? Can you supply a link?

surely, there must be footage of someone getting hit with one of these "batteries" ( aka snowballs, but appearing to be batteries to people of other areas of the country ).

I would love to see this battery footage...could you send me a link, pretty please?

[Toasterlad]

373. They Threw Batteries At JD Drew At a Phillies Game Back in 1998.

The poster is either deliberately or mistakenly confusing the battery throwing incident with the occasions where fans have thrown snowballs at Eagles games. The truth doesn't matter: all that matters is smearing the Philadelphia fans.

[LanternWaste]

433. Sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles..

"Bounty Bowl II, where a barrage of snowballs and batteries from the stands forced police to escort Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, off the field"


Also...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSroPtp4jTI

[lukasahero]

463. Don't expect proof to get in the way of their denial

But thanks for trying LW. :hi: :loveya:

[Toasterlad]

467. Hey, I'll Admit That I Was Wrong About the Batteries In the Snowballs.

I didn't remember the incident, since it happened over 20 years ago.

[TK421]

320. Short answer...It fucking didn't n/t

[LanternWaste]

325. Bounty Bowl II

"...where a barrage of snowballs and batteries from the stands forced police to escort Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson, off the field."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles

On edit: While I am a fan of football, I realize that no team and no individual is pure as gold. Heck, Being a Dallas fan, I've seen some premier players from the local sports franchise crash in burn in a most melodramatic fashion. However, I will never defend their actions, nor have I maintained my fandom for those particular players. My passion for pro football is not so much that I would give it a higher priority than my own sense of morality-- hence my own personal boycott of the NFL until Vick us gone.

[TK421]

329. It figured you were going to link to a Wikipedia reference...that doesn't change the fact

it was "alleged" I did ask if there were any reports of people getting hit by batteries...

You silly people and your reliance on edit-friendly ( by anyone ) Wikipedia never cease to frigging amaze me :spray: This was NOT verified by anyone...do you understand? People SAID it happened...wasn't verified

this was in reply to post 325...don't know what happened there

[LanternWaste]

337. I imagine you didn't see the citation listed as the source.

I see. I imagine you didn't see the citation listed as the source.

Myers, Gary (2007-12-16). "Down and dirty: Spy Bowl just the latest NFL grudge match". New York Daily News (New York, New York).

Also... "The volatile mix of beer, plentiful snow, the bounty and the intense hatred for "America's Team" led to the Eagles' notoriously rowdy fans throwing everything within reach. Notable targets included back judge Al Jury, who was knocked to the ground by a barrage of batteries packed in snowballs; Cowboys punter Mike Saxon, who was targeted in the end zone; and Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson, who was hit with packed snowballs, ice, and beer as he was hastily escorted off the field by Philadelphia police" (Pro Sports Today, Iss. 2334).

No "alleging" in this instance. However, is there a complete list of sources you will deny as valid (to save time, you see)?



But in the end, I imagine our passion for sports may often overwhelm our own sense of morality, and that it may often blind us to the realty of the world we live in sometimes...

On edit... an additional youtube clip. Sounds to me as though Verne Lundquist is one of the announcers, but I could be wrong about that-- simply listen to what the announcers are saying for further validation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSroPtp4jTI&feature=PlayList&p=6BCC6203A09697E2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=49

[TK421]

341. In the end, these are accounts in which ( once again...SLOWLY ) there were

no known injuries by battery-packed snowballs ( beer cans is a new one to me ) batteries weren't involved here...this is a myth, and I'm sorry you're buying into it

Do these "sources" you give provide a "linky poo" to some of these incidents? Really....try harder!

I mean, after all..the "GOOGLE" ought to have something that will provide real "eye-popping" evidence of this occurring..Right?....RIGHT?

Down and Dirty Spy Bowl? just the latest NFL grudge match....are you seriously expecting me to look to that for witness ACCOUNTS of the situation?

Are you even for real?

[LanternWaste]

345. I never stated there were injuries.

I never stated there were injuries. :shrug:

Again, is there a list of links you will deny as valid?

And honesty, I have no idea why you're acting in such a petulant manner, I'm being civil and polite; and I've seen many more posts of yours than not in which you acted in a much less posturing manner, posts of yours that I believed were well thought out and well written, so forgive me if your attitude takes me a bit by surprise. If you're a fan, so be it, but that should never blind us to what is right and wrong.

That being said, I imagine the corollary is also true and you can provide links which emphatically prove it never happened, yes?

[TK421]

352. Not a fan, I've stated that...nor do I approve of what Vick did

YOU made the claim snowballs were packed with batteries...do you honestly want me to back you up on that? Think for a moment....

Here we go with the old "I'll make a claim, and if you can't confirm it...it must be true" :crazy:

Oh Christ, you and people like you....:banghead:

[LanternWaste]

393. And I validated the claim....

And I validated the claim they were hit-- however I did not claim anyone was injured. Regardless of whether you like the cited sources or not, they were presented. It thus becomes incumbent on the critic to either invalidate the source or the statement :shrug:

Thanks for your mature perspective on this, it will most certainly receive all the consideration it warrants.

[TK421]

398. again, these people who were hit with batteries

I would like to see this footage of that happening...

tell me how it is validation when I have not seen that

unless, of course validation has taken on a whole new meaning these days ( and these days, I certainly wouldn't doubt it! )

[TK421]

313. These fans didn't want this fucking dirtbag on this team...but thanks for the broadbrush

[Toasterlad]

126. Agreed.

Although I wish he'd keep a lower profile.

[Dappleganger]

138. He is still fucking scum.

The only thing he cares about is $$ and attention and those teamates are idiots, as are the people who hired him.

[LanternWaste]

152. I make a distinct difference...

I make a distinct difference between someone sincerely apologizing, and someone merely going through the motions to better solidify their own multi-million dollar contracts.

As for forgiveness, as his crime was not against me, I am in no position either give it or withhold it. However, I am in a position to give or withhold my support for the league reinstating him... hence my refusal to watch the NFL until he is gone.

[msanthrope]

176. I'll disrespect "your team." Fuck the Eagles. Fuck Andy Reid and

his enabling ass....

[liquid diamond]

254. We signed a great back up quarterback that has restored his

image and repented. Vick now advocates for abused dogs. We did a great thing. Go Eagles!

[LanternWaste]

304. I heard those last two games the Eagles played...

I've heard those last two games the Eagles played certainly vindicated the personnel choices of the GM...

[liquid diamond]

458. The Cowboys were simply a better team last season.

[YOY]

198. You own, work for, or play for the Eagles???

n/t

[liquid diamond]

242. I'm a fan, so they are my team. Did I really have to explain that?

[YOY]

258. Then they aren't "your team".

As someone who has worked for 2 major pro sports teams I can tell any fan...they aren't "your team."

It's a rich man's hobby. Everyone else can twist in the wind when it comes to business decisions.

Fans don't have a stake in the game except to give money for the momentary distraction and the illusion that they are a part of this or accomplish something with victory. 95% of those players don't give a shit about the fans unless those fans are attractive prospective lays. Of the 5% that do most won't go out of their way for fans. Doesn't matter the city. Doens't matter the team.

But hey...it's your time/money.

[Toasterlad]

390. Wow. Did You EVER Pass a Child Holding a Balloon Without Popping It?

How sad to live your life with such an absence of camaraderie or fun.

[YOY]

438. Hey, I've seen it first hand.

If someone wants to pretend that sports teams care about their fans then so be it.

[Toasterlad]

451. Who Cares What Management Cares About? Don't You Think the Fans Know They're In It For the Money?

That's not why fans loves sports, and it's not why they love particular teams.

[YOY]

465. As long as they're aware that it's a one side love affair with no personal gain OK by me.

n.t

[Toasterlad]

466. The Reward Of Sports Fandom Is - And Always Has Been - Intangible

Here's a story for you: I was born in Philadelphia, and have been a life-long Eagles fan. However, I recently switched allegiance to the Indianapolis Colts. Why? Because the Eagles owners demonstrated their committment to mediocrity by signing Andy Reid for three more years. So I decided to abandon the Eagles until Andy Reid (and Donovan McNabb) are gone.

So I get your point.

Why did I pick the Colts? Mostly to amuse/annoy my Eagles-fan friends by becoming a shameless frontrunner (which is nothing: after the Saints won the Super Bowl, I went and bought a Scott Fujita jersey, which I am waiting to spring on them for the sheer reaction it will provoke), but partly because I want to root for a team that has demonstrated a committment to winning. And there ARE teams, besides the Colts, who have demonstrated that committment. Even terrible teams like the Raiders and the Redskins at least TRY to improve their teams (hampered as they are by bat-shit crazy owners). Are these teams committed because they love the fans? Not so much. They know that a good product is likely to bring in more revenue. And yes, regardless of how they feel about the fans, there ARE actually people who DO care about winning, certainly among the players, but even in management. The point is, regardless of the motivation, if an owner puts out a good product, and demonstrates a willingness to give the fans what they want - a championship - then they will continue to keep fans and make new ones. Like any other business, people are free to buy or not buy as they please. Blasting sports owners for "not caring" is like blasting Verizon or Target or Staples for "not caring". We know they don't care, and we don't care that they don't care, as long as they put out a decent product.

[mangeydog democrat]

401. I agree completely

Fuck your team all to hell!!! Fuck the Eagles!!!

[Grand Taurean]

409. Mostly easy money for these teams, but that's another story.

[tango-tee]

504. I will "disrespect" your sorry-assed team as long as I damn well please.

Yeah, right. "He is a free man and now speaks against dog fighting". You don't mean to tell me he is doing this out of the goodness of his heart, after he was "shown the way"? He is doing it so his sorry ass can keep a job with a football team - an extremely well-paying job. If that pathetic piece of crap hadn't been caught, he'd still be out there torturing dogs and having a grand old time watching these poor creatures suffering.

Shame on you. Shame on you for your dishonesty.

"Don't disrespect my team". Piss on your fucking team. How pathetic can you get?

[TheWatcher]

74. Delete.

DEFINITELY the Wrong Place.

[DebbieCDC]

4. Vick is a piece of shit

I have no other words for the utter contempt and loathing I feel for this thing. I refuse to call him a human being.

[QC]

7. He is human garbage. n/t

[pecwae]

65. He doesn't even rise

to the level of garbage.

[caseymoz]

166. I have nothing to say about his "repentence"

Might be real, but I doubt it. But giving this guy an award for "courage" is simply warped. Why? For getting out of prison on a short sentence and going on to a multi-million dollar job? Usually, when you get out of prison, your job prospects are nil. I don't know if Vick or his teammates are worse. Just reminds me not to watch football, not that I was a sterling fan to begin with.

[Guilded Lilly]

GAG

despicable man

[humpty dumpty]

5. An award for Courage? Michael Vick?

A courage award to the dog abuser, Michael Vick? Don't stand too near him. Lightning may strike. I know life is not fair, but in my book, oxygen is wasted on him.

[Morning Dew]

6. Not only that

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/359040-philadelphia-eagles-agree-to-give-michael-vick-15-million-roster-bonus

Philadelphia Eagles will pay QB Michael Vick's $1.5 million roster bonus, retaining his rights for 2010.

With the support from Donavan McNabb and Andy Reid, the Eagles signed Vick last year to a two-year deal after serving 23 months in federal prison. The first year $1.6 million with the second-year option is worth $5.2 million.

Vick should still be in jail.

[peacebird]

16. Vick served his sentence. Our justice system says that once the time is served

people have been punished and should be welcomed back into society, right? He served his time. I hate what he did, but I also hate rapists and Vick served a sentence comparable to what a rapist would serve. I guess my question is this: is our justice system just for punishment? Or is it supposed to rehabilitate people - give them a second chance at doing right?
I like to believe it is the latter. He f**ked up in a huge awful fashion. It was utterly reprehensible. BUT he served his time. He has been sentenced and submitted to that sentence. If you believe in the American system of law then you must let it go, let him be. You don't have to like him, I don't like him. But this award cannot be judged based on the actions that landed him in jail - it should be seen as based on the actions SINCE HE GOT OUT. ie: he has been rehabilitated. Isn't that what we want for those who have been convicted?

[Morning Dew]

23. Thank God his ability to earn millions of dollars wasn't seriously impeded

by that small matter of animal torture and murder.

[katandmoon]

25. He may have served HIS all too short time in prison. But many, many in the public have not and never

will finish serving THEIR sentence with HIM -- their natural and permanent revulsion at the sight of this violent psycho and the sound of his name. They will always associate them with the images of the poor dogs he cruelly killed and tortured and made fight each other to death for his obscene PROFIT. Then they see this cold-hearted POS being treated like a hero and getting awards, for all the world like he's being rewarded for it.

Of course this award can and will be judged based on his criminal actions. How can it not? When the disconnect between what he did to those dogs, and what this award is for, is so gargantuan, and so appalling?

[peacebird]

28. he served longer than the man who raped my friend. Is his crime less abhorrant?

See - that's the rub - I love animals, and I believe that the strong should protect the weak, we should protect the old and the young. I believe it is reprehensible to harm innocents - be they people or animals. BUT Vick served his sentence, and like the man who raped Robin - he is allowed to return to society with the slate wiped clean.

If we believe in REHABILITATION as the higher purpose of prison, then we must let go of Vicks crimes and move forward. Of course if we believe that criminal acts can never be forgiven, that's another matter. But since prisons are overcrowded and the inmates *will* be released - is it not in our best interest to have a policy of 'live and let live' at the very least, once they have served their time? If they feel that they will never be accepted back into society, then what is their motivation to TRY?

[Stinky The Clown]

31. That's beside the point. The point is not his serving. The point is the award

[peacebird]

33. The award. Ok - If you had no knowledge of the cruelty to dogs would you object to the award?

[Tailormyst]

101. He would have never got the award if he had not tortured dogs.

Do you understand what it takes to hold a crying, whining, fighting pitbull raised to trust you, under water until it is dead. Or to electrocute it? Something inside that man broke long ago. You may find him courageous for his fake "finding of god" and his quest to rebuild his "brand" but rest assured he feels NOTIHING for those animals and not one thing his is doing is an act of courage.

A few months in prison doesn't miraculously make this man feel something for these animals. They are nothing to him now, just as they were nothing to him then. Maybe years of therapy might help somewhat- but a stink in prison where he was a hero to the other inmates?

[katandmoon]

139. Michael Vick's ass should still be in jail, regularly bitten by rabid dogs.

[muffin1]

140. I think Vick should have served more time than he did.

I also think the person who raped your friend should have served more time, as well.

I am all for second chances for most crimes, Vick's included. He just hasn't done nearly enough to atone for his yet. At least, not for me.

But to give him an AWARD? Nope. I'm sure you would feel the same way if your friend's rapist was given such a high profile award, no?

[havbrush]

182. Vick time served

The average sentence for dog fighting is a $1500 fine so Vick served way more time than the average person who participated in this sort of animal cruelty. He was made an example of by the courts. He did do his time however so let him live his life. I think many people seem to be upset that he's back playing football and making more than they ever will. But if football teams are willing to pay the going rate for someone with his skills, and that's all he's ever done for a living, who are we to say he can't make a living, even though it's better than most of ours.

[muffin1]

186. I don't have a problem with him "living his life",

although he DID deny the animals that right. It's the award that is disgusting.

As far as sentencing is concerned, I think every person who abuses animals should serve much longer sentences. To abuse helpless animals is simply abhorrent. There is something seriously wrong with these people. I hope like hell that he is in counseling, as any kind of abuse is a crime with a very high recidivism rate.

[meeshrox]

187. +1

BTW, he makes league minimum, not millions.

I am appalled at the language used to describe some DUers "payback" for him...ie: the halftime show comment...just as disgusting in my mind.

He did a terrible thing, did his time, paid his fines, and is moving on...I suggest ya'll follow suit...

[blondeatlast]

142. I nominate this as the best Michael Vick post ever. Spot-on.

:applause:

[truedelphi]

264. I would love to see an award go to the dogs, & to those who came in

And rescued the surviving dogs.

I don't know if you caught the Animal Planet hour long show on the surviving dogs, but animal psychologists believed that all these trained fighters would have to be put down.

It was just expected - the dogs had been sevrely mistreated so they would be vicious in the ring, they had been isolated from each other and from decent human beings, etc.

But they were all so willing to be rescued, loved and socialized that they pulled through and ended up with new adoptive homes where they became the Class Clown of the adoptive family.

In the end only one of the many survivors was destroyed. She was simply too far malnourished and sick to make it. The woman who had cared for her said that not a day of her life would pass without thinking of the horrors that the female dog had endured.

[roguevalley]

37. the animal police in Philly said that before Vick they would get

maybe two animal fighting reports a year. Now its off the charts.

[1badjedi]

77. This is pure BS!

I've lived in philly for 41 years and dogfighting has been a problem for the last 10 or so and I did not notice any surge in dogfighting reports this past season. Our local news here reports any and all animal infractions from mistreatment of horses to dogs mauling citizens so were there anything to report it would have been on the tv news or in our local paper. Since that was not the case you are either woefully misinformed or deliberately lying to exaggerate your point.

Oh and it is nice to see most of you here are as unforgiving as the worst T bagger. :sarcasm:


btw just for S&G's, were all you this upset when donte stallworth got 30 days in jail(and only served 24)for killing a HUMAN BEING while driving drunk?

[muffin1]

109. have you ever heard of capitalization or punctuation

your writing is unbelievably ridiculous and unreadable every word runs right into another like this. i think there are some T baggers missing your skills right now don't make them wait too long. we wont miss you at all however.

[1badjedi]

189. Are you serious?

Maybe it is your browser because I see nothing wrong with my capitalization or punctuation. I do see you having the problem you claim I have though. Maybe you're just projecting?

[muffin1]

214. Well,

you capitalize 'T' in teabagger, without spelling out the word 'tea' - even though 'teabagger' does not require capital letters. You capitalize 'S&G', which I'm assuming is for 'shits and giggles'. They need no capitalization, but 'BTW' does, since it's at the beginning of your sentence. Then you go on to mention someone by name, which you did not capitalize.

I don't have time to go over the punctuation right now, but it is pretty scary.

BTW, this is not something I ordinarily do. In fact, it is the first time in four years that I have responded to any DUer about such things. It was probably more the content of your post that raised my irritation level so high that I felt compelled to respond the way I did.

[1badjedi]

216. Thanks for the lesson?

I'm still going to stand by what I said. There has been no rise in dogfighting here in philly and the poster I addressed is full of it. We have had the problem for years and it was not caused by vick or aggravated by his arrival.

[Last_Stand]

163. Fuck anybody who wants to defend the piece of shit animal torturer...

[1badjedi]

193. Not once did I even mention his name

let alone defend him. Your petty hate has diminished your ability to read I suppose. I was pointing out a lie. We have had no surge in dogfighting here in philly. The problem was here long before he arrived.

[Last_Stand]

197. My hatred is well-placed and is not petty...

[1badjedi]

203. Nice.....

You should probably seek out some help for all that anger and hate before it consumes you. Then again since you're already playing the internet tough guy I can only suspect you're rank to be around irl as it is.

But hey if it makes you feel better have at it. I will sit back and enjoy your derogatory replies. :)

[Last_Stand]

212. My apologies...

you're right. I am extremely unpleasant to be around in real life.

When my hatred consumes me, I'll become a sith, 1badjedi. Maybe i'll go find Yoda to help me work through all this hatred.

[1badjedi]

220. That's better than me

having to go eff myself I guess. Now when you see yoda tell him I'll meet him later for a final duel. We can have a battle of punctuation.

[Last_Stand]

226. You'd be better off...

teaming up to stop Darth Lucas from screwing up the franchise any further.

[MrMickeysMom]

492. On the other hand...

The surge in reporting maybe means that people are more likely to be calling others out on this crime, which is a good thing (if the post above you is true).

I can't seem to make my point with some of the hateful comments I'm seeing here, but it's stunning what people will get furious over, while they don't seem to be as upset about depleted uranium and deformed human beings who suffer every day in Iraq, thanks to our good deeds there. God Bless America for depleted uranium's half-life potential to remind us of what has been done in our name with our taxes. Yoo-fuckin-hoo!

[Scout]

510. apparently you are only able to focus on one thing at a time....

"it's stunning what people will get furious over, while they don't seem to be as upset about depleted uranium and deformed human beings who suffer every day in Iraq"

many of us can multi-task.

[Maru Kitteh]

44. Screw that piece of filth. I don't have to let a damn thing go. May he have rancid dog food hurled

on his head for the rest of his days.

[dogsmycopilot]

296. reply

I agree but I think it would be more fitting to do to him what he did to the dogs.
I don't think people take this stuff seriously enough. Here in Mississippi before Luke Woodham went and killed his family and three at school he burned his little dog in a most horrid way. Had that animal case been taken seriously he may very well have been jailed or treated thereby avoiding the sad deaths of people later.
People say it's just a dog, but it's not. No more than he is "just a man."

I have to say I am also shocked at the black community's reaction to all this. They of all groups, I would think, should understand how compassion to one helps all.

[Tailormyst]

No it doesn't mean he gets welcomed back to society

There are lots of people who do disgusting things that we don't "welcome" back by handing them fame and fortune. He is out. That is the extent of any forgiveness anyone owes him.

[Tailormyst]

81. No it doesn't mean he gets welcomed back to society

There are lots of people who do disgusting things that we don't "welcome" back by handing them fame and fortune. He is out. That is the extent of any forgiveness anyone owes him.

[DisgustedInMN]

94. Well said.

IF there can be no redemption for having done wrong in our society, then what is the point of even having a justice system? This strikes me as a very much a case of selective outrage. This guy was tried, convicted, did his sentence, and is now working to stop those who continue this vile crime.

As ridiculous as it may seen, the alternative to not granting redemption to those that make mistakes, yes even terrible criminal mistakes, is every bit as reprehensible as what Vick did. It means we, as a society, LOCK someone into being criminals for their entire life. The options for them then become, spend the rest of their lives in prison, at a huge cost to us all, or be freed to commit more crimes on more victims.

And yet, here we have people on this thread, that have the audacity to think they are so superior that they, and they alone, are fit to say when someone has "paid enough" to part of "civilized" society.

I REALLY dislike hypocrites.

[QC]

103. You dislike hypocrites. I dislike sanctimonious scolds.

So I guess we are even.

[DisgustedInMN]

113. Just curious buddy..

.. how exactly does what I have said become a "sanctimonious scold," but every hate-filled, self-righteous rant of judgment by others escape your rapier wit?

BTW, I care fuckall what you think of me.

[QC]

119. The feeling is mutual, I assure you.

Cheers!

[DisgustedInMN]

181. If that were actually true...

... you wouldn't have responded, but you did, didn't you? If you can't even be honest with yourself...

Have a nice life in the Land of Ignore.

Cheers.

[havbrush]

185. Well said to 'Well said'

You've stated my feelings very eloquently. The man did way more time than the average person convicted of such cruelty. The average punishment is a $1500 fine.

[Captain Hilts]

179. I agree. But that doesn't mean he deserves an award for 'courage'. nt

[Critters2]

210. And in what way has he shown courage or the principles of good sportsmanship

since he got out? How does he deserve this award. This award was his teammates' big FU to people who love dogs. Well, Philadelphia Eagles, FU right back!

[polly7]

250. He did his time, but he will be a hero for kids who

believe it's alright to do horrendous things, have a little time out, say you're sorry and then go on again to make millions. Myself, I'd prefer he spent the rest of his life as a dog pooper-scooper and is kept away from any live animal. Isn't it typical though, just like any other abuser - say you're sorry, maybe do a little time and you're 'rehabilitated' and all is right with the world. Well, the scars these sacks of s* inflict don't heal ............ the abuser is honored, the abused, either dead, permanently traumatized, scarred, and left with a whole lifetime of distrust.

Oh, and I bellieve him speaking out against mistreating animals is disgusting and fake. Those pictures were horrible. He's a sociopath, imo.

[tango-tee]

508. Your sense of forgiveness is admirable.

I don't share it... because I simply can't. And *what* in his behavior, during his brief time after release from prison, would make him a candidate for a reward? That he hasn't been caught torturing more animals? I really and truly don't believe that people capable of inflicting such pain (and taking such sadistic joy in doing so) on fellow creatures will or can ever be rehabilitated.

Please believe me, I'm not being snarky - but I think you give too much credit where none is due.

[ncteechur]

8. not into redemption much? how republican

[Bluebear]

9. Redemption via an award for courage? No.

[LaydeeBug]

158. He paid his debt to society.

which included counseling for this. What gives with people? :shrug:

[hisownpetard]

230. I wonder if the dogs that he injured, maimed and electrocuted feel that he has paid

his debt to society?

He is the biggest piece of filth imaginable. NO ONE should be giving this
criminal an award, much less an award for *courage.*

It's so sickening a concept. Pitiful.

[Bluebear]

236. Yes, he has paid his debt. But he doesn't need a "courage" award for it

:shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Redemption after demonstrable rehabilitation, sure.

Waltzing out of the slammer and onto an award stage? After one of the most wanton, cruel crimes I can imagine?


Not so much.

[katandmoon]

27. Bingo

[girl gone mad]

18. After a lifetime of retribution and real work on animal causes..

or other charitable contributions he might merit an award.

But now? He's done nothing of lasting worth to earn the "achievement".

[Critters2]

288. +1 nt

[ecstatic]

26. ditto.

[flvegan]

50. What redemption?

Please, do be very specific. I can only tear dipshit specifics apart on that basis.

I'll wait.

[QC]

51. Redemption requires repentance.

Vick's only regret is that he got caught.

[Mad_Dem_X]

232. Exactly! He's only sorry

his vile ass got caught. Anyone who abuses animals is a piece of shit in my book. And Michael Vick is, and always will be, a piece of shit.

[pecwae]

66. Stop the fucking

"how Republican" bullshit! Is that what you say to your students when they aren't in agreement with you?

[Tailormyst]

102. Redemption? Suddenly after a year in prison with bangers who love him he found gawd.

And SUDDENLY has compassion and love the dogs he so recently was viciously torturing.

[MrSlayer]

10. As an Eagles fan I really hate Jeffery Lurie, Joe Banner and Andy Reid.

The word here in Philly is that management pressured the team into "voting" Vick this award in order to raise his standing and thus his trade value. This whole Vick thing has been disgusting.

[rpannier]

300. I'm an Eagles fan and I'm a McNabb fan

But it became a lot harder to be a McNabb fan after I learned that it was Donovan's idea to bring him to Philly.

What also bothers me about it is, he didn't seem to bring anything to the team.
They weren't any better.
Vick did little-to-nothing while an Eagle.
I'm not sure what justified bringing him to Philly

[MrSlayer]

364. I'm not so sure D-Mac really wanted him here.

You know how he hates to share the spotlight and then there was that mysterious extra $5 million they gave him last year for no apparent reason. The Eagles never give anyone money for nothing. I think he was bought off.

[bluestateguy]

11. I have neither forgiven nor forgotten

nt

[emilyg]

22. +10

[StClone]

12. Hate what Vick did and I forgive him because

I know there are millions of starved, beaten, burned, shot and otherwise abused pets through out this country. Cats, for instance, should NEVER be let to roam freely out-of-doors. They get hit by cars, pick up diseases and parasites, fight, get lost, impregnated and lastly they take out wildlife.

You may despises Vick. But, when kittens are no longer microwaved, and puppies are no longer tossed into traffic will I single him out for his outrageous behavior for profit.

[Shell Beau]

124. That doesn't even make sense to me.

So because other animals are abused, you forgive Vick?

[QC]

129. I forgive Bush for torturing all those people.

Oh, wait a minute. Since I am not one of Bush's victims, it is not my place to forgive him.

Sorry.

[StClone]

234. Irony, abstraction?

Am I to be one of his Pit Bulls in this scenario to forgive Vick?

[StClone]

231. Vick was punished

Are most people that abuse animals? No. We made him an example and with the punishment what is there left to do rant and curse him? I prefer to forgive and remind people that abuse and letting pets roam free are unacceptable.

[Shell Beau]

238. Well forgiving him is one thing, if that's what you want to do, but

awarding him with an honor such as courage is quite another. He has shown no courage. If he wasn't caught, he'd still be killing dogs. Really courageous I tell ya.

[StClone]

267. You said it...

[brewens]

14. I predicted that he would "find jesus" in prison and that would be

one of the reason people would say he should be forgiven and he would be back in the NFL. This was shortly after he was arrested. He didn't even wait for prison. A press conference after his first hearing and he just kind of blurts it out!
So his agent or someone told him to say that right away. I knew as long as some NFL owner thought he might still be worth some money he'd be back. Absolute no brainer.

[Biker13]

15. To Hell With Vick.

I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his guts were on fire.

[NYC_SKP]

17. This is what "Sports" in America has become. No wonder I don't give a fuck about the Super Bowl. nt

[proteus_lives]

19. Fuck Vick.

I hope some NFL dog-owner tackles him and snaps his spine.

[liquid diamond]

54. Wishing violence on a human being? How progressive!

[TheWatcher]

76. Being an apologist for a thug? How PROGRESSIVE!

[liquid diamond]

257. It's a good thing we allow the courts to operate

independently from the angry mob posting in this thread.

[Tailormyst]

105. Defending an animal torturing thug- how progressive !!

[Mad_Dem_X]

233. I guess it's okay when the victims are animals.

I, for one, will never forgive this piece of filth.

[liquid diamond]

255. He was punished for his crimes.

Seriously, what the fuck else do you people want? The death penalty?

[Tailormyst]

261. I want him not to be treated like some fucking hero

[liquid diamond]

266. So people that speak out against anima cruelty aren't heroes?

[Tailormyst]

273. OMFG- okay you are hopelessly niave.

I've got nothing more to say to you if you believe he is now some animal rights activist.

[liquid diamond]

459. How is what he does different from any other activist?

He spreads awareness about animal cruelty. He pays to take care of injured dogs. He speaks to children about the perils of dog fighting.

[Critters2]

293. Bwahaha!

I want some of whatever it is you're smoking. :rofl:

[Shell Beau]

332. If you consider him a hero then you are SICK. SICK. SICK. SICK.

[tranche]

268. That's disgusting.

[hlthe2b]

20. NFL excuses the inexcusable... the deplorable.

I still watch college football sometimes, but pro football? Forget it. The good guys left are totally tarnished by the thugs (and the thuggery).

[rpannier]

303. There is a point to what you say

I do like pro football.
But, they do ignore the transgressions of superstars.
So do the fans.

When I lived in the states I used to listen to the Peter Brown Show and he did a show on fans and pro sports (This was 1997).
I was amazed at the number of people who called in and said they didn't care about the crimes or ill behavior committed by the players on their teams (any sport). They just wanted a winner.

It isn't just athletes that are the problem.
Societies obsession with winning at any cost is just bizarre

[waiting for hope]

21. That looks like the one they named Lucas

over at Best Friends Animal Society.

http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/pitbullspecialfeature/news/archive/2009/08/19/pittie-city-meet-some-of-the-rescued-dogs-at-best-friends.aspx

My brother who has some connections there in Philly seems to think that the NFL promised the Eagles something for taking Vick - no one there in that city is thrilled at all for him being there and it just blows my mind that his teammates picked him for "sportsmanship and courage" .. Michael Vick does not know the meaning of those words.

[madmax]

24. MV should rot in hell. n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

29. You folks are sad.

No amount of self-righteousness is going to magically bring a dog back to life. The guy fucked up, he pleaded guilty and went to federal prison. If he is trying to rehabilitate himself after paying his debt, the non-righteous and non-perfect among us actually think that's a good thing. Would I give him an award? No. But damn, just because you love dogs doesn't give you a free pass to be just absolutely vicious to another human being.

[peacebird]

30. +1

[Stinky The Clown]

32. The award was **exactly** the point. He had the nerve to say - himself - that he deserves it.

If he kept his mouth shut, if he refused the award, if he was never given the award, this thread would not have been written.

[DefenseLawyer]

34. You're entitled to your opinion

but if your opinion is "fuck you, I hate you, I hope you die" about anyone, I feel sorry for you. His teammates, who actually know him, obviously thought he deserved the stupid, meaningless, self-serving award. I'm shocked that they didn't ask for your input, but oh well. I'm sorry that Michael Vick hasn't "kept his mouth shut" enough to satisfy you, but then you really don't get a vote on that one either. But you'll always have righteous indignation, you can always proclaim "I am a good person and Michael Vick is not" to anyone that will listen. They can't take that away from you.

[Stinky The Clown]

68. Do you have a point?

Cuz apart from insult me in much the same way you accuse me of insulting vick, you made none.

I bet your clients love you, though.

How long after the bar are you, Skippy?

[Puglover]

84. Oh the pearl clutching.

Doe's it make you feel good to be so far above it all?

[LanternWaste]

169. And I'm sorry he willfully and with premeditation...

"'m sorry that Michael Vick hasn't "kept his mouth shut" enough to satisfy you..."

And I'm sorry he willfully and with premeditation abused and tortured animals for sport and profit-- and they can't take that away from him...

[Last_Stand]

171. I am not an animal torturer...

yes, I am a better person than fucking michael vick.

Tough shit if you don't want to hear it.

[Demoiselle]

175. I'm with you, Stinky.

"Courage?" Give me a break.

[roguevalley]

38. he has done nothing to prove his rehab. give him forty years to

do good and maybe I can forget and forgive. But a year or two? Nah. I really hate professional sports anymore.

[Name removed]

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[Swamp Rat]

52. If he was really trying to rehabilitate himself he would have refused the bogus award.

I believe he only regrets that he was caught.

[NM_hemilover]

125. I agree.

[Toasterlad]

394. I Can't Argue With That.

[The Midway Rebel]

59. It is called ostracism counselor. It is legal and there is nothing sad about it.

Unless, you happen to be the deserved victim of it...like Michael Vick.

[Zynx]

72. Anyone who shows that much contempt for other living things is to be doubted in their sincerity

until they prove otherwise.

[whathehell]

83. ..At least our "viciousness" is only verbal..Not like the real kind this sadist displayed.

..and it's not a question of "fucking up"...It's a question of character.

Decent people don't torture for fun. Period.

[NM_hemilover]

95. Those that commit animal cruelty,

as well as molest/abuse people are never anything more that good at illusions. They are not sorry and I believe they will continue to do it again and again until they are caught again, and again, and then released again and again.

There is no fame in being the victim, only the "rehabilitated" douchebag gets acknowledgment. Extreme cruelty to animals is no different than extreme cruelty to people, it shows the lack of understanding on a human level that is unforgivable to me.

You forgive him, I don't.

I've loved my Giants since I was a teenager, when LT meant Lawrence Taylor, and Phil Simms was was the smallest Giant, I would never look back if Vick wore the BIG BLUE.

[RedRoses323]

98. +2

[Tailormyst]

106. You are the sad one

Defending the poor poor misunderstood dog torturing football player because he made "a mistake". His being lambasted on a web site is nothing compared to the vicious he put upon other living being for his own enjoyment. Even getting his ass kicked a few times would be nothing compared to what he did. Something is broken inside him. Treating him like a hero has taught him nothing. Next time he will just be more careful to not get caught.

[DefenseLawyer]

160. I'm not defending Michael Vick

I'm just commenting on the unhealthy level of viciousness and hate that otherwise reasonable people seem to feel they are justified to utter regarding this guy. Just look at the thread. "Piece of shit", "Burn in hell" "human garbage", "Michael Vick's ass should still be in jail, regularly bitten by rabid dogs","let's hope he plays in traffic", "he should be ripped apart by wild dogs". Really? Someone really thinks that it would be reasonable to see another human being ripped apart by wild dogs? That's fucked up, junior. I don't care who you are talking about or how much you love dogs. People are welcome to hate whomever they choose, I'm just saying a lot of what is righteously proclaimed here is just so hateful and twisted that it scares me.

[meeshrox]

188. +1

I agree...this thread went to hell quicker than any other I've seen!

[DebbieCDC]

205. Then leave

[DefenseLawyer]

217. So I'm not entitled to an opinion if I don't wish brutal, torturous death to Michael Vick?

I'm going to venture a guess that if John Yoo had written a memo suggesting that KSM should be ripped apart by rabid, wild dogs, DU would unanimously demand that he be handed over to the Hague. But you love dogs, so it's all good. I see now. You all proceed with your hatefest and try to think of more bizarre ways in which you'd like to see Michael Vick killed if that's necessary to make you feel better about yourselves. I've said my piece and counted to three.

[The Green Manalishi]

443. Goddamn right...

I'm just commenting on the unhealthy level of viciousness and hate that otherwise reasonable people seem to feel..."

Some pieces of human garbage deserve nothing other than our sheer contempt. Deal with it.

[DefenseLawyer]

446. Contempt doesn't give you license to advocate violence

Your twisted "kill Michael Vick by having dogs rip him apart" fantasy may rise from your "contempt" but that doesn't make it any less fucked up. You have mental problems. Deal with them.

[The Green Manalishi]

495. Please show me where I said that?

Stop making shit up. It would not surprise me that it might be your standard operating procedure elsewhere, however.

I said he has earned the unbridled contempt of many here, that there is simply nothing he could ever do to convince me he is anything other than a thug, but, oh esteemed member of our highly valued and respected legal profession show me where *I* proposed, seconded or supported such a punishment.

He deserves perpetual ostracism, and anyone who doesn't think so is a despicable excuse for a human being in my opinion, but I demand you retract your accusation that I stated anyone should "kill Michael Vick by having dogs rip him apart".

My statement was "Some pieces of human garbage deserve nothing other than our sheer contempt. Deal with it."

[DefenseLawyer]

497. You were defending those remarks.

My comments in this thread have been directed at the level of truly bizarre, twisted and frankly sadistic rhetoric that I have seen here. You chose to respond to my concerns by telling me to "deal with it". If that's your response I can only assume that you find those remarks reasonable, otherwise you would not have felt the need to put your two cents in in direct response to my very specific concerns (which had nothing to do with showing "contempt" or ostracizing Michael Vick) but only about the unbridled bloodlust seen here. So no, you specifically didn't make those remarks, the you was the collective you, of the crazy people who have reared their crazy heads in this thread; of which I assumed, and still assume, you are one, as you defended them and attacked me. You can't have it both ways. Either they are disturbed and wrong, regardless of what one may think of Michael Vick or they are reasonable and I must "deal with it".

[The Green Manalishi]

498. Wrong.

I defended the fact that opinions about Vick transcend 'punishment' and descend into 'sheer moral outrage'. As bad as Gitmo, child abusers or bombing innocent civilians, of course not; but Vick, and all animal torturers are sick, deranged, of a kind if not the same degree as people who torture, maim and kill people for fun or ideology.

It's a much shorter distance from Vick, or anyone into dogfighting (or cockfighting) to torturer, pedophile or general sociopath than it is for any human being I want walking around. The wanton cruelty is indefensible and the fact that someone would not mind seeing him meet the same fate is much more understandable than your discomfort with the views expressed by some. If you wish to get your knickers in a twist at the violent revulsion of some, that is your right, but don't suppose that anyone considers it anything other than disgusting, akin to those who are apologists for Mugabe or Charles Manson.

He's a piece of garbage but society and the court system has passed judgement and have supposedly been 'paid'; he's breathing, free and making far more money than most; it seems you are happy with that being 'justice', I'm not. It seems that you are disturbed that some people would be entirely happy if he died painfully and sooner rather than later, even if no one is exactly going to take that matter into their own hands). I'm not. You seem to consider yourself disdainfully morally superior to people who think this guy should never be let in contact with human beings again, loftily condemning with shock and horror the peasants with pitchforks. I don't.

Michael Vick deserves no defense; one can understand a defense lawyer having to do everything in their power to free even the vilest scum, that's their job; but your judgement of anyone who thinks he's a piece of garbage matters not.

[DefenseLawyer]

500. History shows us the mob is easily moved to violence in the name of righteousness

I think that point has been more than made here. Best of luck to you.

[blondeatlast]

146. Rehabilitated? Fine. An award that springs directly out of animal cruelty?

Vile.

[BlooInBloo]

274. DUers are morally little different from the rest of America...

Dumb, and they want people's blood.

It's just how America is.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

276. Vicious talk is not the same as action

Rehab or no, he behaved as if he had no conscience and that is subhuman, and IMO, incomprehensible. I can't believe someone like this could be truly rehabilitated until he suffers himself -- enough to learn the concept of compassion. Not that I would personally inflict anything on him, but I understand the hatred towards him -it is an outward manifestation of extreme sorrow, horror and compassion for the poor animals he so carelessly abused.

[salguine]

35. In this country you could probably sodomize Cub Scouts on national television, and if you

can stuff a ball through a hoop, or run with one, nobody'll give a shit about the Cub Scouts. OJ Simpson butchered two people and there was no shortage of people who wanted him released simply because he was a great football player once. Some days it takes a lot of convincing me that this country deserves whatever happens to it.

[upi402]

39. Jocks are like royalty, sick country n/t

[Starry Messenger]

40. I've never posted on a Vick thread before

I've followed the links for the rehabbing of the beautiful creatures whose lives were utter torture, I've read these threads. I just can't believe that our society is so bankrupt it would award this sociopath for "courage". But there it is. :(

[roody]

46. morally bankrupt society---well said

[flvegan]

42. Let me tell you something about Micheal fucking Vick

I'm lucky to have quite the inside track on the "fixing" of the Vick franchise. He's a pile of shit. He planned and carried out what he did to these dogs and never apologized for it. HSUS tried to leverage this story, as did Best Friends and BAD RAP to help a maligned breed, advance an anti-dogfighting campaign and maybe seek a touch of redemption for this fucking idiot. His handlers (yeah, that's what they were) wanted no part of it, and left them mostly on their own. Thankfully, Vick wasn't needed (much like the last Eagle's season).

Poor little bitch quarterback with a slight bit of talent, spent his NFL millions to set up a dog fighting business. Then cried about how he was so poor and this is what he came from.

Fuck you, Mike. I'd like 20 minutes with him. Alone. I don't believe in violence, but as someone that runs a pitbull rescue, I'd hope he swings first. Bitch.

[salguine]

43. When the whole dogfighting story broke, I remember thinking that the ideal punishment

for him would be to have him locked in a room with three of his dogs, naked, with his genitals dunked in gravy.

[roody]

47. The dogs probably would not have hurt him.

They are loving creatures.

[Wednesdays]

107. Exactly. Those three dogs wouldn't have bitten him...

they would have done something else...and he would have enjoyed it immensely...

[flvegan]

48. As nakedly appealing as that is, dogs don't know revenge.

Proper punishment would be jailtime followed by garnishment of 50% of his wages to fund rescue and rehab of his dogs and this breed. A million dollar check to Dogtown and the other rescues that cleaned up after his stupid ass would be a good start.

He only cares about money. I have experienced the sad downside of his attempt to fix his franchise.

I have ex-fighters and bait dogs in my rescue. He's done nothing to help the breed nor the dogs he abused personally. A DUer local to the area was good enough to send me pics of the doggie-Gitmo that motherfucker built.

Again, 20 minutes...me and you Vick.

[jtuck004]

57. I should just try to be as good at life as my dogs - forget vick

[truedelphi]

63. I didn't know you did doggie rescue.

Beams to you and your four legged friends. Thanks for doing such good work.

[Midlodemocrat]

64. He's a fucking thug.

And a disgrace. Shame on the Eagles.

[Lugnut]

45. Gag me. n/t

[Flaneur]

49. Yee-hah! Let's get our two-minute hate on!

[budkin]

55. The only thing that asshole deserves is to be torn apart by wild dogs

[lonestarnot]

56. Fuck that motherfucking guy!

[The_Casual_Observer]

58. Just a matter of time before that monster does something else wrong

[mfcorey1]

60. Vick, like anyone else who has made a mistake,

deserves a second chance. Save your energy for a more significant problem in the world. There have been many cases of dog fighting since the Vick story and there has not been the same outcry from PETA and others. One major one was in the Atlanta area. I am glad that he is still looking forward and doing what is right, rather than looking back and wallowing in pity. He has done more to bring about awareness of the mistreatment of animals, because of his abuse, than PETA ever will.:mad:

[Stinky The Clown]

71. If you're expecting me to defend peta, you gotta long wait, Chief.

No one is calling for no second chance. The outrage is over this fucker getting an AWARD for, essentially, being courageous in how he lives his life.

Can ya spare me a break, Chief?

[NM_hemilover]

97. +1

[blondeatlast]

147. Work on your comprehension skills and try to keep up. we're pissed

about the REWARD.

[muffin1]

150. WTF?

"He has done more to bring about awareness of the mistreatment of animals, because of his abuse, than PETA ever will."

So, thank goodness he abused the animals, because now more people are aware of animal abuse? What?

Well, thank goodness my ex-husband abused me, and countless other women after me. Thank goodness women are abused each and every day by their partners. Otherwise, we would not be aware of the abuse suffered by women.

I am simply stunned.

[caseymoz]

174. So, he deserves a second chance not an award for courage!!!

Your comment is so clueless as to what the outrage is here. It is too early to show he has repented, much less to award him for courage. All he has done is gone back to a million dollar job and performed fairly. If the players unanimously voted for him at this point, it doesn't convince me that he has repented, it makes me wonder what kind of shit they're capable of.

"He has done more to bring about awareness of the mistreatment of animals, because of his abuse, than PETA ever will."

That is impossible to believe unless you've damaged your intelligence with ideology, and you are looking at the world with a fun house mirror. Or Fox News.

[pundaint]

61. Hypocrisy, thy sport is NFL football

[voc]

62. While cathartic

Did anyone ever stop to think the reason he isn't vilified any longer is because he just possibly had partners ?
Award him ? no. But truly the level of hatred exhibited every time his name comes up gives pause.
Ever heard of you are never angry about what you think you are angry about? A secondary emotion.
Easy target. Wondering if any politicos garner such hatred,past or present,lol.

[Stinky The Clown]

73. Here's a little gift for you

I remember back to when when I was just learning to communicate, too. This was a very helpful book.

[blueamy66]

88. What???

??

[Gidney N Cloyd]

122. Blueamy, if you understood what Voc said, please translate for the rest of us.

[blueamy66]

172. I can't.

That post gave me tired head.

[pecwae]

67. Goddamn right!

Redemption my ass! What's this fucking 'honor' bullshit anyway? It's some lame way of making it all up to Vick? Fuck Vick, fuck sports, fuck those who honor and apologize for cruel son of a bitch.

[Dinger]

69. This "Award" Is Now Worth Shit

goddamn

[ShortnFiery]

70. +1000.

:thumbsdown:

[whathehell]

80. Agree completely...What "courage" to torture and kill dogs?....

All of the animal rights/protection groups should have been outside protesting.

[Puglover]

82. Nothing but contempt here

both for this scumbag and the losers that honor him. :thumbsdown:

[Bluenorthwest]

85. the culture of pro sports is a revolting culture

And this window into the minds of these men should be enough for anyone to stop feeding that machine. All you you support NFL with dollars, you all chipped in to make Vick feel warm and fuzzy. Each and everyone of you. Sorry. But that is how it works. DU will trash Walmart while giving thousands in custom to Vick and company, without so much as sensing the irony.
You are what you pay for. Vick's money did not drop from the Sky God. It came from football fans. Every dime of it. Bought dogs for him. And torture devices.

[Highway61]

86. My take on Vick....

HE GOT CAUGHT, if he didn't he would still be doing what he was doing. Scum bag. I wouldn't want to be him when he takes his last breath on this earth.

[Critters2]

476. Yep. He wasn't so sorry about what he was doing when he was lying to investigators

about it, and trying to pin it on others...so that he could keep doing it.

Calling this man "scum" is an affront to scum.

[Mad_Dem_X]

87. A disgusting excuse for a human being.

This monster shouldn't be "honored" for anything!

[City Lights]

92. IMHO, this is a sad commentary on the entire team.

:thumbsdown: to all of 'em.

[bullwinkle428]

93. Courage for what? For killing and torturing animals that failed

to perform up to his alleged "performance standards", when he admitted to literally "mailing in" many of his own performances on the football field? The irony is truly disgusting.

[wordpix]

96. note name of the website: "bleachereport" ---someone's trying to bleach Vick's record clean

:puke:

[OnyxCollie]

110. Oops. Posted in the wrong place.

[alp227]

108. So maybe Bush administration higher-ups should get "courage" awards too.

And Chris Brown should get a Grammy next year for beating up his girlfriend Rihanna last year.

When Uganda passes its "death to gays" bill the UN should honour them lavishly for human rights and such.

:sarcasm:

Seriously, if Vick gets an award this soon after release from prison, this is the standard by which "courage" awards have fallen.

[OnyxCollie]

112. Sen. David Vitter returned to the Senate after his hooker scandal

and received a standing ovation from the repubs. Is he a good guy now, or is he still a piece of shit?

[BonnieJW]

115. He deserves our contempt and

deserves to be a social outcast forever.

[progressoid]

117. After looking at the other recipients, it seems that courage is pretty loosely defined.

http://www.edblock.org/content/ed-block-courage-award-recipients


A few actually give back to society, but for a lot of them it seems courage is overcoming a torn ligament. :eyes:

[joeybee12]

121. KNR...makes me hate the Eagles even more...assholes...n/t

[Texasgal]

123. I'll never respect him

and I will not get over it. EVER.

FUCK VICK!

[Toasterlad]

127. Ray Lewis Killed a Man

Yet, if I were to post a thread about him being honored, it wouldn't get anywhere near the venom this thread has gotten.

Nice priorities, DU.

[Stinky The Clown]

130. He did?

That's simply not true

Was he charged?

Yes he was.

He was proved innocent. Not "not guilty" ...... Innocent.

[Toasterlad]

133. Yeah, Because Every Person Who Was Ever Found Not Guilty Is Completely Innocent

Say hi to OJ when you run into him playing golf.

[Stinky The Clown]

136. OJ is where he belongs

So is Ray Lewis

[Toasterlad]

143. Oh, That's Right....They Finally Sent Him To Jail For Something OTHER Than Murder.

So, you maintain that OJ is NOT a murderer, just a thief. And that Ray Lewis is a shining example of chrisitan love.

[Stinky The Clown]

155. Man, you're just itching to fight .....

..... hahahaha ... forget it. Go twist someone else's nipples. We're done.

[Toasterlad]

190. Not Really. It Just Annoys Me When People Prioritize Animals Over Humans

We had some sick fuck wrap a cat in duct tape in my area not that long ago, and people went apeshit for weeks. Yet people are murdered every month here without so much as a mention on the daily news.

What Michael Vick did was horrific, and I can understand if some people choose not to forgive him for it. But I wish those same people showed half the outrage when it's PEOPLE who are the victims.

[Stinky The Clown]

219. "But I wish those same people showed half the outrage when it's PEOPLE who are the victims."

How do you know they're (I'm) not?

Like I said .... go twist someone else's nipples.

[Toasterlad]

235. I'm Not Making This Personal, Stinky. I'm Talking About People As a Whole, Not Just You

As far as how I know...well, if you really want to be convinced, pick a random story from Google about some person getting murdered, and post it in GD. See if the perpetrator gets 1/4 of the venom Michael Vick's getting in this thread.

[WildEyedLiberal]

229. I 100% agree

Vick is scum and what he did is beyond repulsive, but if he'd harmed people instead of dogs, I can guarantee there would not be DOZENS of DUers in this thread calling for his maiming, mauling, and execution. There would be a handful, but those people would quickly be shouted down by others accusing them of "barbarism" or "bloodlust." Apparently it's only barbaric bloodlust if you wish harm on a criminal who abused humans, but if you abuse dogs, all bets are off.

Frankly, the vitriol wouldn't bother me at all if I DIDN'T see so much self-righteous condemnation of similar bloodthirsty revenge posts in threads about child molesters or rapists or murderers.

[polly7]

283. What a load.

People are outraged over any death ................... if they KNOW about it. Every person who kills is a sick f*. We just don't hear of them all ........... which is the fault of .......... who??? How do you show outrage over something you know nothing about?

[Toasterlad]

397. Really? Why Don't You Find a Random Murder On Google and Post It On GD?

We'll see if the outrage on that thread matches the outrage on THIS one.

[polly7]

425. You can't be serious.

ANY case of multiple child abuse, torture and murder on here would garner more hatred than even this disgusting story. I was comparing innocent, trusting dogs to innocent, trusting children ............ but, you knew that.

Good gawd.

[Toasterlad]

453. Um...When Exactly Were You Comparing Dogs to Children? Certainly Not In the Post I Replied To.

And why would you do that? That's exactly the kind of over the top shit I'm talking about.

In any case, I'm perfectly serious. Find yourself a good murder story on Google, post it in GD, and see what happens. To be fair, you might want to wait until tomorrow to give more people a chance to see it.

[mochajava666]

148. Love your posts, Stinky, except I think you're wrong about

Lewis. I'm pretty sure that he wasn't found guilty because no one gave any consistent, credible testimony. I think Lewis was seen with a gun, he was in a fight with the person that got shot, and when he entered the limo covered in blood he told the driver to say that he didn't see nothing.
It would have been nice if he wasn't awarded the super bowl MVP award the following year. I lost a lot of interest in the game after that.

As for Vick, IMO, he should be banned from football, and should still be serving in prison being someone else's bitch. That "courage award" is now a complete and total joke, as is the Philadelphia Eagles organization.

[Stinky The Clown]

157. Another case of opinion .....

.... and I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying I want to debate it. The allegations were there. The circumstantial evidence was there. But in the end, there simply wasn't enough to convince a court of law or the court of reason.

[mochajava666]

162. Fair enough

I completely agree with you until that last "or the court of reason".

We absolutely agree about Vick. I wish the commish would do more to clean up the sport. I think that there should be more of a feeling of privilege to play a game for more money than most people dream of.

[Shell Beau]

128. How has he been courageous?

I'd like one decent example. From what I can tell, he has been the exact opposite of courageous. If this was a coward award, I'd be all for it. If he hadn't gotten caught, he'd still be murdering innocent dogs.

[misanthrope]

145. Noticeably absent in this thread of vitriol is the name Jamie Foxx...

...In my opinion, what nimrod Foxx said in the wake of the Vick investigation, before the QB was even sentenced, was reprehensible as well.

Foxx said, "It's a cultural thing, I think. Most brothers didn't know that, you know. I used to see dogs fighting in the neighborhood all the time. I didn't know that was Fed time. So, Mike probably just didn't read his handbook on what not to do as a black star."

I know plenty of African-Americans who have more cognizance of the law and compassion for other creatures than that revealed in Foxx's ridiculously bigoted statement. What he said strikes me as being not much different than statements that would come from the mouth of a KKK Grand Wizard.

[Critters2]

302. Disdain for the suffering of sentient beings is a cultural thing?

Fascinating.

[PatrynXX]

149. People who abuse animals deserve life in prison or worse

People who abuse animals are more than likely to hurt humans. As far as I know it's a proven fact.

I've seen plenty of any race simply love animals and go after them (the Animal Cops on Animal Planet) even if they are of their own race. So This isn't a race card I'm playing, plenty of white guys do the same fucking thing.

It's a disgrace to any award. If he spends the rest of his life 60 some years doing nothing but helping animals and going after the bad guys and then gets an award , thats okay, but much too early. He should still be in jail.

[Toasterlad]

194. "As far as I know it's a proven fact."

As far as *I* know, it's a proven fact that hamsters can fly.

It actually IS a fact that people who hurt animals are more likely to hurt humans. Your sentence just amused me, is all.

It also amused me that you think Michael Vick should spend the next 60 years doing nothing but "helping animals and then get an award", presumably being reviled and spat upon all the while, until he turns 85, when he's suddenly a hero and gets an award. And all he had to do was spend 60 years being hated while he did nothing else but help animals!

At least you're willing to give the guy a time frame for redemption, unlike the majority here, who'd rather see him dead, or in prison for life.

[EnviroBat]

151. 100% Agreed.

In fact, I'm getting pretty fucking sick of hearing what great people "Athletes" are in general. They are a fucking waste of time, and get paid waaaay too much. If this country would stop worshiping stupidity, and the ability to catch a fucking ball, maybe we'd be better off than we are.

[williesgirl]

154. This cretin deserves to be attacked by the pitbulls he's harmed and their relatives every time

he walks out of his house. Fuck him and fuck his team. The NFL will hear from me once more. rec'd

[Toasterlad]

195. The Pitbulls' Relatives?

[Arugula Latte]

156. Fuck him. This is utterly disgusting.

If he wants to show courage he should be left alone in a room with a dog trained to attack his crotch.

:grr:

[ladywnch]

161. if there is going to be true justice, this piece of human excrement

will be torn apart by a pack of dogs one day. maybe hasten the event by hog tying him and covering him in meat drippings before bringing in the dogs.

And I agree with others here: he got off way too easy...smoking pot gets you more time than torture and intentional cruelty for profit.....THAT is NOT paying your debt.....that is getting away with a crime because of who you are.

[havbrush]

164. Vick

Come on DU, the average sentence for dog fighting is a $1500 fine so let the man live his life and make a living at what he knows, playing football. Don't hate because football teams are willing to pay the going rate for someone with his skills. He was made an example of and served his time and paid his debt to society.

[OneBlueSky]

165. "paid his debt to society" . . . tell that to the dogs . . . n/t

.

[Stinky The Clown]

167. To be fair ......

..... he went to trial, was found guilty, sentenced, and served the time.

I wish he'd gotten a more harsh punishment - as I suspect you do - but he got what he got and I'm okay with that.

What frosts my ass now is that he gets to stand there and tell us that he DESERVES this award, and that a whole cadre of people allow that to happen ..... no .... that cadre of people MADE it happen.

And thus, when we're reminded that he is breathing free air, we get incensed all over again.

[ladywnch]

472. intellectually I understand and can agree with some of your argument

the emotional, dog lover side of me wants to see him staked out with his testicles slathered in bacon drippings and dozen hungry dogs. THEN I might begin to think he has paid his full debt.

[SsevenN]

170. Vick is a PoS

Sometimes I hate our culture.

[Tarc]

173. Newsflash for the self-righteous; this isn't the 16th century

Thieves don't get their hands chopped off. Vagrants don't get branded with a "V" on their forehead.

People fuck up, get punished, pay their debt to society, and continue on.

I find it a bit hypocritical that an allegedly progressive community such as the DU is advocating for what amounts to an extremely draconian form of lifetime punishment for Michael Vick.

[Critters2]

204. But dogs who don't fight well get electrocuted, slammed against walls,

and drowned, all with your approval. What century is this?

[Toasterlad]

213. Yeah, Cause That's What He Said.

:eyes:

[polly7]

367. I think actually the AWARD is what is shocking people here. n/t

[Flaneur]

177. The rage and vitriol on this thread is deeply disturbing.

And doesn't reflect well on DU. This guy did his crime and did his time. I could post a thread saying nothing more than "Michael Vick," and, like Pavlov's dogs, a sizeable DU contingent would be rabidly salivating all over the place.

[Critters2]

206. In what way has he shown courage or the principles of good sportsmanship?

He simply did not deserve this award. Period.

[Stinky The Clown]

222. Did you notice that the thread was about the award and the award givers?

It didn't simply say "Michael Vick". It went right at the fact that he was given this award. Nothing Pavlovian about that. I *do* contend, however, that YOUR post was Pavlovian. You saw "Michael Vick" and acted in a way that demonstrates that you didn't even read the OP and just posted .... well ...... in a Pavlovian way.

Please enjoy the rest of your day. :hi:

[Flaneur]

239. Yeah. I read the OP. I think the award was kind of tacky.

But I think the fact that such rage and vitriol appear every time Michael Vick is mentioned is depressing.

We've got two wars going on, a stumbling Democratic presidency, and this thread has 240 posts mainly consisting of "I hate this guy," "I want to kill this guy," "This guy should be in prison forever," and "Let dogs tear this guy to pieces." Fucking get a grip, people. Gaining emotional catharsis by spewing hatred may feel good, but it makes you look like six-year-olds.

[Bluebear]

241. Which post said they want to kill him?

[Bluebear]

243. P.S. have you ever heard the word "vitriol" spoken?

It has become such a cliched word on the internets!

[blondeatlast]

225. "Doesn't reflect well on DU..." Because that's what DU is for, to be pretty.

Your concern is noted--and found kinda sad and somehow simultaneously funny.

[Critters2]

484. +1 nt

[Captain Hilts]

178. Neither a good man, nor all that good a football player. What a loser. nt

[Last_Stand]

180. Some of us will NEVER forgive this guy...

so all you people crying about the hate on this thread can go somewhere else.

Animal abusers, child abusers, wife abusers...any torturers of anyone weaker than themselves can all go to hell for all I care.

And if you don't want to read my hatred for twisted fuckers like this, you can go cry to somebody else about it.

[DesertDiamond]

183. I'm going to go throw up now.

[byronius]

184. This is a symptom of a psychopathic nation.

And a terrible stain on the NFL.

[tango-tee]

191. Words fail me. This sorry, pathetic piece of garbage...

Using words such as "...blessed to be voted by my peers...". In that case, his voting peers are as worthless as he is. I want to vomit.

I wish only bad things upon him.

[jobycom]

192. Ah Hell no! A halfway house? You implying that my Cowboys are going to sign him???

:rofl:

I really can't get into the pitchfork-and-torch brigade on this one. Yeah, he did a horrible thing, and treated dogs the way food preparers treat the cows and pigs most of you around here eat. If I hated him, I'd hate too many people.

He lost two years of his life, more millions than any of you can imagine earning in a lifetime, and his name. His dreams of becoming a superstar to kids has been replaced with him becoming a Halloween costume and a punch line. Whether that's suffering enough for what he did, or whether he should give more of his blood, I just can't judge. I'll leave the hate to the people who get something out of that emotion.

I'll never look at Vick and think "Nice guy," (or Ray Lewis, or to be honest, Ted Kennedy), but I'm going to judge his present and future self on present and future actions. That's what being a liberal means to me--judging people on what they are, rather than jamming them into a pigeon hole and never looking beyond that. Some people have done horrific things when young that they made up for later in life. I'll give Vick that chance, even if others don't.

Suit yourself, though. He gets little sympathy from me. I'm just tired of hate.

[disillusioned73]

196. sigh.....

If only DUers showed this much outrage towards our so-called bluedog Dems - we might get a progressive agenda underway..... but as always we save our angst and energy for the typical celebrity obsession topic de jour...

and no, I don't absolve Vick for his crimes and neither did the courts...

[Stinky The Clown]

224. "we"

hahahaha

[blondeatlast]

227. Dearest guest--WE DO. Geez. Get to know us a little first, mkay?

Then you can criticize our technique.

[Goblinmonger]

200. I wish there were as much hate for slaughterhouses or hunters.

But we all know when happens when a vegetarian thread starts.

[Ken Burch]

215. You're not the only vegster on this board. I'm with you.

Still, point taken.

[Forkboy]

218. He's a douchebag and so are his defenders.

[glinda]

221. Vick deserves nothing

[marshall]

223. Very ironic that the award has to do with ending the cycle of abuse

If only Charlie Sheen were an athlete--he might be next in line for this illustrious award!

[mdmc]

228. Thank God my dog loving Eagles fan friend died of cancer a couple years ago

she would have been so ashamed of her lifelong team..

[BigBro72]

240. Hypocrisy

Care so much about dogs huh? I guess you're a vegetarian.

http://www.meat.org/index-1.asp?c=MYMblogaddr112106

Are you equally disgusted with this? Ready to attack a system and mindset, rather than a rich man's puppet?

[DevonRex]

244. Amen. Oh yeah. They're always "courageous" and "contrite" after

they've been caught, aren't they?

[Critters2]

301. +1 nt

[Arkana]

249. How in hell did this happen?

Vick shouldn't be given ANY awards for ANYTHING.

[Christa]

256. Let the dogs attack him

injure him and maim him before I forgive the brutal barbarian.

[DefenseLawyer]

260. That's kind of a brutal way to punish brutality isn't it?

Seriously, if you really want that to happen to a person, you need help.

[Christa]

278. Oh, seriously??

After what he did I need help?

get a life.

[DefenseLawyer]

281. Do you hear what you are saying?

You hate brutality so much that you want to see someone brutally attacked and maimed by dogs? Yes, if you would take pleasure or satisfaction in seeing another human being attacked and killed or maimed by dogs then yes, you are disturbed. Being a dog lover doesn't give you license to be a sadistic freak. Do you support dog attacks on Gitmo detainees? Oh i bet not. That would be torture. That would be fucking insane, actually. But somehow it's normal and acceptable to want to see Michael Vick tortured and killed? Thanks for the advice, I'll do my best to get a life.

[polly7]

330. Did those Gitmo detainees electrocute, maim, torture those dogs? n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

422. And there you have it: Michael Vick's crime was worse than 9/11.

Thank you. We're done talking now.

[Stinky The Clown]

280. You're really making a lot of friends .....

.... I know. You're not concerned about making friends.

I guess that's a good thing for you.

[DefenseLawyer]

282. I really don't want to be friends with an angry mob that advocates torture and murder

I realize this got pretty far afield from your original point about the dumb award, but come on, you aren't the least bit troubled by this bloodlust? Wishing the punishment had been greater, wishing he had been banned from the nfl, wishing he never wins an award, those are all reasonable positions to take. When one starts talking about killing the guy and seeing him mauled by dogs and what not, sorry, that's nuts.

[meeshrox]

297. Again, totally agree with you!

I understand the absurdity of the award...but, this thread has gone way off topic repeatedly. I am very bothered by the hateful speech against a sad, pathetic human being. But, he is still a HUMAN BEING, capable of making mistakes and learning his lessons. I don't care if his apologies are heartfelt or not...there is no way for anyone but him to know the true sincerity. The bloodlust is ridiculous and disgusting.

[Stinky The Clown]

388. Its Internet Eleven

One louder.

Hyperbole.

And VERY MUCH not meant literally.

[Tailormyst]

262. The dogs would never attack him

They are trained and bred to be completely submissive to humans. The dogs probably licked his hand and looked up with loving trusting eyes right before he shoved them underwater, holding them there, while they cried and struggled.

[Hepburn]

265. MOTHER FUCKER...!!!!!

MICHAEL VICK CAN ROT IN HELL......:grr:

[arthritisR_US]

270. I could not have said it better! TY :-) n/t

[tallahasseedem]

269. I completely agree...

there's nothing courageous about him.

[tranche]

271. I wonder why his teamates voted this award to him.

Maybe they believe in that grand liberal tradition -- forgiveness and rehabilitation.

[Critters2]

294. In what way has he shown courage or the principles of good sportsmanship? nt

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[polly7]

284. Wrong.

It would be just as sick no matter who did it. Also, torture against anyone or anything is raged against here daily. So, you're wrong on both counts. Doing the disgusting things he did to those trusting dogs is akin to abusing a helpless child - watch here for the posts condemning child abuse and murder. Yes, they get the same amount of rage. TRUST. He blew it, no matter how many apologies (fake or not), and 'served his time'. Yet he gets an award. Hero. This world is really becoming sick.

[BigBro72]

287. but right about race

I don't see anybody protesting Sarah Palin about shooting wolves, which are dogs, from a helicopter!

[polly7]

289. No, WRONG about race.

Palin was skewered for shooting wolves from a helicopter - on many message boards. Good grief, look up a few cases of animal abuse and the perpetrators before you imagine something that isn't true.

[BigBro72]

314. Race is the Case

I've never seen a thread that made the case for taking away Palin's means of existence for her murdering dogs for pleasure. None said she wasn't fit to be a governor or shouldn't hold public office, like they did Vick. In fact it's been forgotten. She is receiving awards to this day and I don't see a thread about it which raises the issue about her killing dogs. Why not go after her receiving awards instead of Vick? It's better for two reasons: First it highlights the legal killing of dogs for pleasure which is even more insidious and two it attacks someone with more political and economic weight. But instead the thread chooses to attack a Black showpiece for rich men. Smells like race to me and cowardice.

[polly7]

316. You want to make it a case, no-one else does.

I wouldn't give anyone who abused a trusting child an award if he'd served 50 years. Same thing with a trusting animal. You abuse that devotion that badly and hurt and kill, maim ----------- you're no f*ing hero no matter if you live to 100. Something wrong upstairs. jmo.

[polly7]

326. Palin quit, remember?

Her means for existence is reduced to having people write books of lies about her and speaking to privatize, bomb, whatever right-wing garbage she was fed. You haven't seen threads on this? There have been dozens. Why do you keep harping on colour? It has nothing to do with it. Smells more like the millions associated with athletics and their rich sponsors letting an abuser off the hook, to me.

[BigBro72]

343. Right

Right. She quit on her own nobody tried to run her out of town for killing dogs. I'm not harping on color.... color is something in a crayon box i'm talking about race. No threads on Palin receiving awards. Off the hook. Going to jail is off the hook?

[polly7]

353. I never said he never went to jail.

I don't believe he deserved any award, nor do I believe it's about race, period. And yes, getting a little time in jail and back to a multi-million dollar career is 'getting off' imo.

[BigBro72]

359. Wrong again

Well there is a racial element whether you want to see it or not. You shouldn't belittle jail time, all time is serious and he's lost way more money than he'll make on the field.

[polly7]

366. He got what was it - 18 months? Awwies.

HE lost some money. Poor guy. Devastating!!!!!!!

I saw some pretty horrible pictures of dog-fighting and read all the torture he put his own 'pets' through. That was tear-worthy, a football 'hero' losing a little money ............hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I just can't squeeze one out, sorry.

[BigBro72]

368. Try tens of mllions

but this is a good way to detract from issue of race an cruelty against all animals

[polly7]

374. Who cares if it was a billion. Not me. Just you, it seems. n/t

[BigBro72]

408. To me money is a commodity

Like frozen concentrated orange juice, sold by the Federal Reserve. Your jumping to conclusions.

[Donnachaidh]

327. wearing blinkers makes it impossible for you to see the other protests

you're WRONG -- Michael Vick is a PIG who did NOT serve enough time and should NOT be allowed to play football or be in the public eye EVER again.

[BigBro72]

344. Do you

feel the same way about all hunters?

[polly7]

What is your problem? He was using these dogs for hunting?

Like, cause the millionaire was hungry? Geez ............ talk about stretching something into absurdity.

[BigBro72]

365. Refuse to

address the hypocrisy with animal hunting? I'm not necessarily trying to deend Vick.

[polly7]

372. Dog-fighting is now on par with hunting animals for food? That's just strange.

Many rely on the animals they hunt to live. Responsible hunters use what they kill. Those that don't are scum and organizations do go after them. Dog-fighting? Who on earth could that possibly benefit but the sociopaths who enjoy watching the maiming and death? Killing those that aren't up to par? That's about as sick as it was when the slave gladiators were sorted into batches of the weakest to fight to the death with the favourites. Makes me ill to think about.

What are you doing if you're not defending Vick, defending dog-fighting???

[BigBro72]

385. Finally

Rely my a#s. I and many others have been healthy vegetarians and vegans for decades. All hunting and murder of animals is sick. Don't be weak. We have reached a point in civilization where we don't need to "rely" on animal suffering. Vick is a pawn in the game. People are wasting time attacking him. Go after the Big Fish.

[polly7]

391. Go up north then and chew on some tundra.

Read a book or two, don't be weak about it, the truth is out there. Attacking scum who tortured animals for no other reason than to get his thrills? LOL. He IS the big fish - you said it yourself, he lost MILLIONS, or was it gadzillions? Who cares. He got his little courage award, gets to make tens of millions more and apparently kept enough fans to keep his hero status. BTW, did you hear the details left out of his court case? Sickening. It's never a waste of time to be disgusted at horrific suffering. Bye. You're ridiculous.

[BigBro72]

403. Everybody is weak

from time to time it's called being human, meant no offense by it. Mike a big Fish please.....big fish don't go to jail they get away with their crimes. Sorry to see you go. Hope you broaden your disgust for animal suffering

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[CatWoman]

482. you're making too much fucking sense

good for you.

[Critters2]

291. If you didn't see anyone protesting Palin shooting wolves from helicopters,

you weren't paying attention.

[BigBro72]

346. Not just

protesting. trying to deny his right to live.

[Critters2]

475. He can live by working at McDonald's and using food stamps,

like the convicted felons I work with, who aren't famous enough to have you defending them.

[Scout]

480. didn't he go to college? did he get a degree?

he can do that for a living. or he can eat shit and die for all i care about what happens to the shitstain.

[Critters2]

483. I believe he quit college early, to make money playing pro ball.

So no. No degree. So, it's McDonald's and food stamps, like other un-degreed felons.

[Scout]

494. thanks, i honestly didn't know. n/t

[City Lights]

309. Then you must have had your eyes closed and your ears plugged.

:eyes:

[BigBro72]

348. Nope

but you might to racism

[City Lights]

350. Nope. nt

[BigBro72]

355. Don't be too sure

[City Lights]

358. You know nothing about me, so quit making accusations. nt

[BigBro72]

362. Don't rush to conlusions

I didn't make any accusations. You should always exam yourself and keep an open mind about your own short-comings

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[BigBro72]

333. Same ol' same ol'

Some Responses. But still no source for a current thread about people hating the fact that dog-killing Palin received an award. wonder why? Nothing saying she should never work professionally again. Nope ..... head not up my ass but someone's foot might be in yours!

[City Lights]

336. When did "dog-killing Palin" receive an award for courage?

I totally missed that, so a link would be most appreciated.

[BigBro72]

351. Links

are out there to awards. Don't know of any for courage, but I don't think that's your issue with the man

[YOY]

435. And the responses are pretty fucking good.

Oh yeah...talk tough to me!

Tell me how tough you are! Drive that innacurate point home in an effort to incite racism where none is the question!!!

Do it big daddy!!!

Now go start a "Palin animal lover" thread and don't mention Vicks. Do it.

We'll all show the same amount of love squared.

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[Rockholm]

429. You just joined DU today, so you would have not seen us protesting her hunting skills.

Wolves are wolves. They are not dogs.

[BigBro72]

442. So it's okay with you

to kill them for pleasure?

[Rockholm]

444. Absolutely not.

You know exactly what I am talking about. Thanks for playing.

[BigBro72]

448. No actually I don't.

not being sarcastic. enlighten me if you don't mind.

[BigBro72]

285. Exactly

Agree totally!!! The other silent problem people have with him is that he is a rich athlete. Some people think that athletes are dumb over-paid jocks who already don't deserve what they get (and some probably don't deserve it), so they get jealous. But i'll bet some of these people need library type quiet and comfort to do any type of thinking and make decisions. Try thinking and making decisions when four fast 6'4" 325lbs defensive lineman are trying to smash your body into the ground. Most of these cry babies would just pee on themselves.

[polly7]

292. Wrong too.

I would feel the exact same way of a poor, white, blue, fuschia or yellow person who did what he did. It has nothing to do with race,talent or money, except the money and talent part seems to enable whoever it is to get an award while the poor white, black, pink, yellow - they just end up keeping their abuser reputation and probably never receive anything but their jail time.

[BigBro72]

354. Good

Glad you feel that way. But that doesn't mean that continual castigation of Vick isn't race related.

[polly7]

360. No, it's just a natural disdain for abusers, period. (on my part) n/t

[BigBro72]

370. I think most people do?

[polly7]

376. Well most do. Some don't. Some defend giving trophies for

courage to abusers.

[BigBro72]

405. Very True

But I'm not one of them. There are more than two sides to an issue

[Critters2]

299. Yeah. That's how you decide whether a person is honorable--

how they behave on a football field. :eyes:

[BigBro72]

356. You missed the point

[BigBro72]

357. You mised the point

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[City Lights]

312. Indeed!

LOL!

[Scout]

319. big, brave, strong, smart, tough Michael Vick, he had to beat to death

defenseless animals. oh, or maybe he drowned them, electrocuted them, or body slammed them.

you really are laughable

:rofl:

[BigBro72]

377. Not sure if directed

at my comment but if so it missed the point.

[Scout]

381. you can't have been around much if you can't even read a thread...

"Try thinking and making decisions when four fast 6'4" 325lbs defensive lineman are trying to smash your body into the ground. Most of these cry babies would just pee on themselves."

so when you said the above, you weren't implying that because Michael Vick can do the above without peeing on himself, he is smart, strong, brave...?

what WAS your lame little point then?

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[BigBro72]

412. But what's the end game?

[Critters2]

290. It's a spot? nt

[YOY]

308. I assure you...he'd be getting hated just as much if he were any other color.

But defending him against 'racism'...that's not really your motive, is it?

[BigBro72]

342. Of course it is

What he did was wrong? No debating that. But where is the same virulent hatred for Palin? Where is her thread on the same topic? Why not choose her to attack?

But it's not only that.... there is also the hypocrisy with killing animals. Where is the outrage over hunting which is also killing for pleasure?

[polly7]

380. Why do you keep asking these over and over?

You don't care about the answers, obviously. Waste of time. Defending the killing of dogs in dog-fights? I mean, really???????????

[City Lights]

382. "Waste of time."

:thumbsup:

[BigBro72]

415. Would love the answers

but haven't seen them. I'm not defending it, I'm supporting killing all animals for pleasure is wrong. let's go higher.

[YOY]

432. We just did. There were Anti-Palin comercials...people here hate her on so many levels...

Start a palin thread and mention her love of animals. Don't bother mentioning Vicks.

Do it. See what happens...also threaten more people with your foot up their ass like you did me! We love a tough guy here!

[BigBro72]

449. I'm not attacking the DU board

Violence ain't my thing, self-defensive is though. not my foot up you ass, see my comment above.

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[blueamy66]

501. Not all hunters "kill for pleasure"

Many kill to eat.

Don't think too many dog fighters eat the dead, ya know?

[MrMickeysMom]

447. Welcome to DU, Injustice...

A sort of undercurrent within some messages here really makes me uneasy. I wonder why some have been responding as they did.

Maybe it's because it's too painful for some to imagine what bad things we are capable of doing. There is no denying that. We're all capable of doing things like Vick did. So, because of that, it brings out the worst in us.

If someone fucks up and from that time forward, tries not to, is it too easy to remove the Scarlet letter? I'm not sure if it's because he's black or if it's because he's in a professional sport that I am none too fond of, given some shit that's come back to haunt the quarterback of the Steelers lately.

Unknown. One thing's for sure... there are some seriously pissed off people on this thread.

[lukasahero]

469. "We're all capable of doing things like Vick did."

No we are not.

[MrMickeysMom]

478. We're not?

Really? That's what you really think?

Then, let me be the first to tell you how far down you are floating on that river in Egypt, lukashero.

Whether you choose to believe or not, our species is capable of doing absolutely horrible things. Have you seen what you and I have allowed to happen to the Iraqis exposed to all that undepleted uranium? You want to show me some posts pointing to any one person who did that? You want to stomp your feet insisting we don't have our mainstream media carry pictures of all the species we've mangled and caused to suffer?

That's because instead of just ONE stupid person who decides to reverse his behavior, the

many

many

MANY

who don't change their behavior aren't featured as the hot thread of the day?

Denial only carries so much hatred within before it can turn on itself. You ARE part of that "many" right along with me.

[Scout]

479. you are dead wrong. there is absolutely NO WAY i would ever do what

that scumsucking shitstain did to animals.

[MrMickeysMom]

489. See thread 488 n/t

[lukasahero]

481. Fine - let me change that to "I'm not"

I don't know about you but I know myself incapable of doing such things. Some of us are born of more tender heart.

Insult me as you wish, it proves perhaps what you are capable of but speaks nothing of me.

[MrMickeysMom]

488. I've no wish to decide what you specifically would do...

... and certainly no wish to insult you, as evidenced. I DO think you are, like many on this thread, in denial about many (other?) horrible things humans ARE capable of doing. My heart is no less tender (perhaps more) for pointing this out to you.

My point is to call attention to what people CAN do and HAVE allowed to be done in their name. You missed the point of why it's important that people who do what HE did STOP DOING IT!

He may have even prohibited more from doing the same awful thing. If you can't see any value in that, well, too bad for me, because anything other point would be lost, too.

Good luck in the future when someone you know or in your family has to be forgiven for an awful thing.

[ChiciB1]

275. I'm STILL Outraged By What He's Done!!! I'm Not Even Sure He's Been Sincere

about his mea culpa and apologies!! ANYONE, and that includes ANYONE who harms animals, much less torture them will EVER receive forgiveness from me!! I have had people say that my outrage is over the line because he learned a lesson, and I say NO WAY!!!

Captured animals CAN NOT control what happens to them and those who use them to make money by killing and torturing them are animals themselves!! I have as much EMPATHY for animals as I do for children or other human beings who are abused! While I don't really want to make the comparison between animals and humans, at least humans can communicate verbally!

Last night there was a program on BONES that I was unable to watch because it showed chicken farms and what goes on there. I realize many feel I over react when it comes to animals because I can't even watch movies or programs about animals who suffer at the beginning of a program, but in the end are saved! It's just too difficult for me because my heart breaks when I think about all the animals who don't get saved!

So Vick deserves a RAZZIE and NOTHING MORE! He's still a criminal in my eyes!! This coming from a person who tries to look at both sides of many issues, I just can't deal with animal abuse of any kind!! People who abuse animals MUST have a chunk of their heart missing to begin with!!

JMHO!!

[Mike 03]

305. THANK YOU SO MUCH. Having worked for two years with the canine victims of dog fights, I

thank you for calling attention to this.

[LynneSin]

310. And guess what Vick is doing now

Read my post below. He knows there is a subculture out there that finds dog fighting totally acceptable and is reaching to those kids to tell them about how this is wrong.

I don't expect anyone to jump on the Vick bandwagon but the guy paid for his crimes and trying to do the best he can to make others aware that this behavior is not acceptable. But I guess it's easier for DUers to just jump all over him then to read about what he has been doing.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/02/26/359621/michael-vick-to-speak-at-durham.html

[MrMickeysMom]

462. Agreed...

I saw that situation, what attention he's called to that subculture, and his high profile as evidence of what you CAN do to rectify the problem.

More of that subculture will have been reached by what this guy decided to do, regardless of his dirt-bag activity and going to jail for it.

Isn't that what advocates of animals should hope for- that more people STOP doing this awful thing?

[Tailormyst]

379. Thank you for doing what you do.

[LynneSin]

307. Geez, have you folks forgiven Ted Kennedy yet for what he did?

He's done the time for his crime and although he cannot bring back the dogs he is working with the Humane Society to reach out to kids who live in neighborhoods where this kind of practice is illegal but acceptable.

Incase you're wondering what Vick is doing:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/02/26/359621/michael-vick-to-speak-at-durham.html
Now, Vick has has gotten his team involved. In October 2009, the Philadelphia Eagles launched "Treating Animals With Kindness," which provides grants to animal welfare organizations to protect animals, according to the Humane Society's Web page. The society was selected as one of the grant recipients and received $50,000 grant for an "End Dogfighting" campaign.

____________________________

Vick can never undo what he has done - that is something he will have to live with the rest of his life. But perhaps he can help slowdown or stop it from happening in the future with other kids who might go down that same path.

[Doc Holliday]

328. Wow...I think I'm experiencing deja vu.

This reminds me of when George Tenet received the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

My reaction was the same with that as with this: :wtf:


They're both just so deserving!

[LynneSin]

389. I'm not saying that Vick is the best person on the earth

but I thought we were progressives - that when people serve the time that we want them to move on with their lives. What Vick did was horrible, but I also think he is in the best position to reach out to kids who are raised in a culture that turns a blind eye when it comes to dogfighting.

Vick has done alot of public service - public service he volunteered for NOT mandated by his punishment. He knows the type of kids that get involved with this and he is meeting directly with them. He has also gotten the Philadelphia Eagles as a team to sponsor anti-dogfighting/Humane Society events and raise money for this cause.

Will it bring back the dogs that were slaughtered horribly - no. But perhaps his work might save some dogs who could end up like this should a kid grow up and get involved with dog fighting.

[ZombieHorde]

392. The Ted Kennedy incident was an accident. If Vick was not caught,

he would most likely still be torturing dogs to death for fun and profit. The guy is psycho.

[LynneSin]

400. he also left the scene and did not contact the police until the next morning

Thing is, sometimes people do really stupid things when they are younger and manage to turn their lives around and do some great things. I mean hell, Robert Byrd was a card carrying member of the KKK and yet he managed to change his life and make a difference.

I'm not saying what Vick did wasn't horrible - it was and then some. I'm just saying that the guy did his punishment, fulfilled his sentence and then volunteered to reach out to the same type of kids that he was - the type that thought dog fighting was ok. He can't bring back the dogs, but he's doing alot to bring awareness and curb this type of behavior and he's gotten the entire Eagles team out there helping him raise money for the Humane Society.

Ok, he has a long way to go until he is a Ted Kennedy - if he even gets remotely close to that. People can't change what has happened in the past but sometimes they can use that horrible experience to make a difference for the future.

[ZombieHorde]

496. Your comparison is severly lacking. TK made a drunken mistake, Vick would still be

torturing dogs to death if he was not caught.

[baldguy]

318. Why so outraged? They're only dogs.

I've said it before.



Most of the dogs I've met are better people than most of the people I've met.

[lukasahero]

470. I was ready to come in here with angry words

Thank you for the twist. Here's my favorite:



And I agree, if people were more like dogs, the world would be a better place.

[MrMickeysMom]

490. Agreed... unconditional love

Like the dog whisperer says, they "live in the moment" of contented happiness, and go on.

[mckara]

324. To Err is Human, to Forgive Divine!

He is trying to make amends for his horrific behavior.

[Scout]

384. yeah, cuz it was just a little error that for years he tortured dogs to death

sure, he just made a little mistake

since i'm not divine, i won't be forgiving him

he's a piece of shit. i would not spit on him if he was on fire.

[mckara]

413. Judge, Jury, and Executioner...

Spoken like a true member of the religious reich!

[Scout]

427. no, that was Vick ... executioner.

you're fucking pathetic

[mckara]

464. The Feeling is Mutual

[Ken Burch]

331. Here's the scary part

If Vick had financed the "Bum Fights!" dvd's, nothing would've happened to him.

[1776Forever]

334. IMHO I think Vick should have excepted in the name of the dogs he had harmed & made a speech about

how he has changed.

That would have been courageous. :headbang:

[Critters2]

477. Yeah. I wonder why his PR people didn't write that speech,

and even make it sound like he means it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

339. I'm sure there are 44 other guys on the Eagles who could have gotten the award

They haven't abused dogs....some of them probably take good care of their animals.

[polly7]

340. Here's just one more link, I had no idea the most gruesome details

were kept out of court.

http://www.examiner.com/x-30576-Nashville-True-Crime-Examiner~y2010m3d8-Michael-Vick-called-A-community-role-model--wins-award

[opihimoimoi]

347. The man is evil.....ignore

[ColesCountyDem]

349. Piss on the fuckwad oxygen thief! n/t

[juno jones]

361. What he did would be decried if he were anyone but his Vickness.

It's sick how some defend his worthless ass. If he were some regular joe, he'd still be in prison.

[MindandSoul]

369. If it wasn't cruel to the dog. . .I would say handcuff Vick to a Great Dane for the rest of his life

[spooky3]

375. Thanks - totally agree.

I was sickened when Tony Dungy defended him.

[onehandle]

378. If he would have done this to innocent humans he would have been put away.

He should be licking out dog shit caked pens for the rest of his life.

[joe_sixpack]

383. Why do the Eagles feel they need to bend over backwards for this guy....

Okay, so he did his time. But what other team feels they need to bring in their backup Quarterback for a couple of plays every game? The fact that they signed him goes far enough to prove they were willing to give him a second chance. Enough ass kissin already.

[LynneSin]

396. Maybe because we have seen first hand the volunteer work he has been doing these past 9 months

Will it bring back the dogs? no.
But he could make a difference to help curb this kind of practice that is still going on today.
And btw, this was not court mandidated community service, he's already completed that. He reached out to the Humane Society to work with them on raising funds and public awareness about the ills of dogfighting. And he understands the type of background of those more likely to to get into this kind of illegal activity and is reaching out to those groups of kids.

And honestly, he really didn't do a whole lot for the team last season,.

[pitchforksandtorches]

386. GRRRRR..WOOF........WOOF WOOF WOOF ...GRRRRRRRR

[femrap]

399. This makes me so

fucking angry. WTF is it w/ football players anyway? Fucking thugs or fucking thug lovers. I don't even watch the Superbowl anymore....and I was a season ticket holder for the 49ers for years. But that was in the day of Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig and others who basically behaved as gentlemen off the field and as team members on the field. I'm glad I got to experience those years.

Now just a bunch of thugs....heard the QB for Steelers was arrested AGAIN for rape a couple of days ago. Self-entitled piece of scum. He'll probably get an award as well.

I am going to go watch Women's Basketball...they actually play team ball.

Vick can eat dog shit and live only to eat more dog shit.

[DefenseLawyer]

424. Don't just make shit up

Have an opinion, but please, don't just make shit up to try and make a point. Ben Roethlisberger was not arrested for rape. He wasn't arrested at all, in fact he has never been arrested for rape EVER, much less twice. The prior case is a civil lawsuit where a woman is suing him for money, no criminal charges at all and obviously no arrest. This current allegation is simply that, an allegation which is being investigated, no charges, no arrest. Oh and newsflash, if you knew how much coke and roids were flying around the NFL back in the good old days, or how the 49ers were cheating the salary cap to build their "dynasty", you probably wouldn't be so nostalgic.

[femrap]

468. Go ahead and stick up

for your big hero since you can't do anything on your own. Or do you just like rapists?

buh bye.

[DefenseLawyer]

473. I'm not "sticking up" for anyone.

Neither the Steelers quarterback nor Michael Vick are "heroes" to me. Tell the truth. That's all I ask. Saying someone has been arrested twice for rape is pretty reckless, when the truth is he has never been arrested at all. You don't need to lie to make a point. And by the way, playing the "you must like rapists" card is just lame. No one likes rapists. Nothing I said suggested that I like rapists or even that I am suggesting that Ben Rothlisberger is culpable or not. It's simply a lie that he has been arrested twice for rape. Don't lie. It's bad. Or do you just like lying?

[femrap]

503. MSM stated this

info about steeler qb. So go wag your finger at CBS news. I am not lying. First time...civil court. And now this one....and maybe he was just 'the person of interest.' Just another of a trillion 'he said, she said.' And we all know how that works, right? Ask Kobe, the dude at U. of CO, that Kennedy boy...'He' said seems to carry lots of weight in our fabulous system of 'justice.'

You're supposedly a lawyer, go look up the stats on rape...convictions, etc. Hell, go count all the DNA kits that are sitting in storage for years and years.

You're naive if you think 'no one likes rapists.' Willfully ignorant, in fact.

[DefenseLawyer]

512. You provide a link to CBS news

Where CBS news reports that Ben Roethlisberger has been "arrested again for rape". I don't know where you think you saw that reported but it is simply not true. I will guarantee that wasn't reported by CBS News or anywhere else. A person is not "arrested" when someone sues them. No one has been charged or arrested in this current incident. Either you can't read very well or you are making things up.Regardless of how passionately you feel about rape victims, Ben Roethlisberger has not been arrested for rape. Look, I'm not trying to engage in a debate about the character of Ben Roethlisberger or Kobe Bryant or anyone else. And I'm not arguing with you about whether rape victims have a tough time obtaining justice. Just don't make things up. You don't need to. Really.

[femrap]

514. rapists are not charged everyday...

this is a patriarchy.

You are a self-entitled POS.

Really. You won't make it to 35.

'Regardless of how passionately you feel about rape victims,' you obviously don't.

Why don't you just click on 'Alert' and my post will disappear just like you want it to. OK? Got it?

I'm sorry your appendage is small.

There will be no response. Ignore Button

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[Quantess]

407. Who are you talking to?

[BigBro72]

430. Palin and Vick both wrong

But why does one go to jail and the other gets to run for VP. Something wrong with the law?

[blondeatlast]

460. Apparently no one here for over a year. Seems like we have many long time, no posters

on this thread.

[lukasahero]

471. I suspect the poster meant to respond

to Injustice or BigBro72...

:shrug:

[Wednesdays]

434. WTF??

Seriously... :wtf:
:crazy:

[BigBro72]

439. Yeah, seriously!!!

[Grand Taurean]

406. Did not this parasite have enough money to begin with?

:puke:

[patrice]

411. You can do whatever you want in this country as long as you include the words "I'm blessed" in it .

[Gore1FL]

418. I don;t like a thing that Vick did--except for serving the time required fo rthe offense committed

His debt to society is paid for by the standards of our justice system. You don;t have to like him or be a fan of his, but if someone pays their debt and truly becomes a changed man, as evidence by this ceremony, I would be more incline to praise the Justice System for working than to condemn someone who went through it.

[Critters2]

485. How does this ceremony demonstrate that he's changed

from the man who tortured animals, and lied about it to investigators?

[KansDem]

419. We need to understand that athletes, especially pro athletes...

...do not always make good role models. In fact, I'd say their status as such as deteriorated considerably over the past few decades.

Just because you can throw a ball farther, or run faster, or jump higher doesn't make you someone to be emulated.

You're just an entertainer and not really contributing anything to society. You can amuse but that's about it...

[SHRED]

426. Heads up meat eaters

Feed lots an in line to the slaughter are torturous to animals.

Some animals we call "pets" and others we call "food".





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[BrklynLiberal]

440. I agree. 100%... There is no way this man should be lauded anywhere, anytime, by anyone.

[MissDeeds]

441. Agree completely

I loathe the guy. He is lower than whale poop.

K&R

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[Incitatus]

457. I wonder how many apologists he would have if he didn't play football.

:shrug:

[fascisthunter]

507. sad isn't it?

their need for entertainment is greater than any principle they would lay upon any of us.

[Catherine Vincent]

461. A lot of hateful remarks in this thread. nt

[fascisthunter]

506. not as hateful as the actions of this one man

people who abuse animals this way are sociopaths and psychopaths. I seriously doubt this man grew a concious... but, if just apologizing gives him a pass, then do so for all the other sick bastards who are still in jail, because they are NOT celebrities.

[warm regards]

511. F this, F that, F the other. It sounds (reads) like you have a problem as well.

[Stinky The Clown]

513. Yeah ..... you

[David Zephyr]

515. Too late for an R, but an enthusiastic Kick.

Kicking this up.