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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 06:28 AM
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Keith Olbermann:Ventura Low Way
by Keith Olbermann
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/9/844642/-Ventura-Low-Way

With apologies to Cenk Uyger and Jesse Ventura (and to the band "America"), all of whom I like and respect, but lemme see if I've got this straight:

When I returned to MSNBC in 2003 I was a "conservative," and Jesse was taken off the air because - after handing him a lot of guaranteed money - they suddenly dropped him because they suddenly discovered he didn't support the Iraq war, even though the Governor contends Phil Donahue had just been fired by MSNBC for not supporting the Iraq War.

I'm writing from my father's bedside so this diary will be a little choppy and have a few typos - but, in brief - what a crock!

First and foremost, Dad keeps fighting bravely onwards. It is startling to contemplate that the same man can be the same kind of hero to his 51-year old son as he was to the same son at age 5. Thank you all for your wonderful and sustaining good wishes.

Back to the piffle. I've addressed Donahue before. I don't doubt that Phil's stance was the final straw in his cancellation. I also don't doubt that if he had supported it, there would have been another final straw - maybe a few months later. But I was already back in MSNBC - in theory as a temp, intended to be on as a fill-in literally three times - and I watched the end game. The show was indeed the highest-rated on the network. Its numbers were about the equivalent now of where my 10 PM rerun is, or maybe Rachel's 11 PM rerun, and the ratings were maintained only by means of an advertising budget larger than we have for the whole network now. His staff was nearly as large as mine and Rachel's combined. And he had a studio audience, which inflates costs phenomonally. And to him, all requests for changes were inappropriate interference. I watched this play out in real time, when I had no expectation of working there again full time.

Also there is the little flaw in the theory, namely, who got Phil's time slot. Me.

Admittedly the first few weeks of my new show were not only not liberal, they were almost apolitical. They in fact consisted almost entirely of me throwing to live shots from Iraq or asking ex-Generals "now where are those chemical weapons going to be fired from?" Thus my startled reaction - which I have often told here - of being at a ballgame the day David Bloom died and being approached by two young drunks. One started to ask for an autograph but the other interceded. "Eff him, he's a liberal." I'd been back on the air about three weeks. No commentaries. No non-war stories. I guess my ties gave it away.

Or my exit from MSNBC in 1998. I forced my way out because of the inanity of the Clinton/Lewinsky story (it wasn't important, it wasn't impeachable, it rarely actually changed as a story, and the idea that we were somehow broadcasting, unedited, supposedly secret Grand Jury testimony really cheesed me off). I was public about these things and my reputation was sufficiently indelible to be remembered more than four years later by two drunks at Shea Stadium. I should also mention that I did daily news commentaries for ABC Radio from late '01 to early '03. I still have the scripts: I went on the air nearly daily demanding more information before we went to war, and insisting the public and our representatives withhold support until we got it.

But back to what Jesse calls my "180." In May or June I walked in to find a taped commentary from Michael Savage inserted into the rundown for Countdown. I was very polite about it, and I knew it might mean the end of what was probably my last chance in television, but I told my bosses very simply that if they were going to run it, they were going to have to run it about 15 times because I wouldn't be there to fill out the rest of the hour.

As God is my witness, on the tape, Savage was wearing a brown shirt.

Anyway, not long after, a Canadian paper reported that the "rescue" of Jessica Lynch was not all that it had seemed. I ran the story - I think I was the first American tv guy to do it. I got called in and ordered to apologize - to the troops. I remember thinking "but I didn't insult the troops." I guess the Bushies had missed the salient point and were demanding recognition of the bravery of the kids who ran the raid. Since I had no problem honoring the bravery of the kids who ran the raid, I wrote a carefully worded "apology" which allowed me to repeat the headline - that the brave soldiers' bosses had had no reason to stage a raid and had hyped it up.

I considered that a victory.

The other landmarks of shaking the fog of propaganda followed as they did for most of us. But by early summer 2003 there was no mistaking Countdown as an Iraq-skeptical show. Hell, the day Georgie dressed up in Daddy's flightsuit I was on live with Chris Matthews and asked him why anybody with a sketchy record in the Air National Guard was reminding everybody about said record - and declaring anything accomplished when we still had thousands of troops on harm's way.

My point in this long preface is that it was at about this time we won what Jesse correctly remembers as a bidding war for his tv services. Why not? He was popular, recognizable, intelligent, a television veteran, and a recent ex-Governor. And so he was signed, met the advertisers with us (I recall his displeasure that Chris, Scarborough, Lester Holt and I were all a little taller than he was), and they set about developing the show.

I'm sorry, Jesse, may be they didn't tell you. Maybe they put out a story about you wanting to do a prohibitively expensive show from Mexico - I remember it as Minneapolis (nearly just as expensive; they did it anyway, recorded the demo shows there). But the shows were dreadful. Jesse is a fantastic guest, an original and lively thinker. But he couldn't host. It didn't work. I remember suggesting getting another guy to start each show, each segment even, and start him off by saying "Governor, whaddya think?" But in the same way that Limbaugh could not translate to tv - just the medium, mind you, not the politics - Jesse couldn't convert from guest to host. I'm hoping they didn't tell him, I'm sorry to have to break it to him and Cenk here, but if they both go demanding investigations of how he was cancelled because he didn't support Iraq, the investigations are going to produce tapes of me from months earlier already not supporting Iraq, and tapes of him not really being able to host television.

Ultimately they shifted Jesse to a weekend slot and prayed he would somehow get past the greivously unfair situation into which Jesse was thrust. He didn't. And they paid off the rest of the contract, because while there clearly was a failure to properly vet him it had nothing to do with Iraq or politics. It had to do with the superficial, bit unavoidable requirements of television. Any other conspiracy theory about what happened to his show is just silly.

UPDATE, 12:37 AM EST: Fixed a couple of missing commas and added two words, noted in bold. And this site provided tangible help to my Dad tonight. I was going to head home when I saw the original diary and decided to write a quick one. The next thing I knew it was nearly midnight here, and my Dad, who underwent what was supposed to be a painful procedure today, finally got hit by the pain. Fortunately I was still there (you know how long it takes to write a "quick" diary on an iPhone?), and was thus able to get the nurse who gave him stuff that knocked him out right quick.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 06:51 AM
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1. I've read DU posts that INSIST Donahue's cancellation wasn't political at all
... from the same types who adamantly refute any and every "conspiracy theory." i.e. data not covered or deemed 'acceptable thought' within M$M

So, am I reading this correctly...? Jesse was set to go to work for MSNBC, and they blew him off to a weekend slot? ...was this to be his Conspiracy Theory Show?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:13 AM
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10. I don't think that's quite it. From what Keith says above...
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 10:14 AM by JHB
...Jesse may make a good guest, but he's lousy as a host, and his show was (relatively) expensive to produce, so they stuck it in a dog slot.

Didn't see his show itself, so I can't comment on that part.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:15 AM
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11. May be, after all, it makes no sense that MSNBC would even consider Jesse's CT show
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:09 AM
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2. I like Jesse
And I adore Keith. Nice to hear about Jesse's MSNBC history from Keith, who apparently got to see most of it.

Also very nice to hear from Keith. I miss him on TV, but family is important. I am going to get Jesse's new book pretty soon.

I don't think Jesse was considering a conspiracy show back then. Probably more political talk?

-jim
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:12 AM
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3. I heard Jesse on npr yesterday
I think his talk show will be a conspiracy talk show - it is hard to explain but Jesse talks truth to power. sometimes there is a conspiracy.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:16 AM
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4. "Sometimes?"
“Politics is the shadow cast on society by big business.” ~ John Dewey
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:19 AM
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5. A related quote
"Politics is the entertainment branch of industry" - Frank Zappa

-jim
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:27 AM
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6. I remember his line about how the illusory democracy would end as soon as it...
... was no longer profitable to maintain for the Few Big. Spot on.

Either way, the point is, the corp/state nexus, especially within having to operate within the confines of a rep democracy and its laws (as its aim$ are not the people's aims), would be unable to function w/o criminal collusion/conspiracy.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 11:40 AM
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15. yes
yesyes
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 08:49 AM
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7. In 2003, Keith was a conservative?
I see he has it in quotes, but I've never heard this..Could someone explain?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 09:07 AM
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8. He was - I think - a sports pundit/reporter. However, personal beliefs don't enter into the decision
... for a media corporation to hire someone or not - unless they're way to the left, in which case they're unlikely to be seeking a career choice that requires them to lie with their every breath (M$M)
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:28 AM
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13. No, they certainly wouldn't if they were just basically just doing sports.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 09:26 AM
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9. Only in the sense that the original "Countdown" show was
pretty much completely apolitical, where he had conversations with reporters covering the invasion of Iraq, with no commentary of any kind on his part.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:25 AM
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12. I see. Thanks.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 10:43 AM
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14. Keith was never a "conservative."
Jesse's got his head up his ass.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:36 PM
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17. Yeah...I figured.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 12:42 PM
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16. kick.. Good to hear from Keith. . . n/t
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:57 PM
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18. I don't get it... what started this diary entry? Why is KO writing this?
n/t
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 07:27 PM
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19. Kick!!! Some really good info inside...
Besides the bit that is above KO updates his diary several times in the comments section. A treasure trove of info...
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 08:15 PM
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20. The reason is Cenk's interview
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 08:36 PM by 90-percent
with Jesse.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=441301&mesg_id=441301

Cenk asks some insightful intelligent and well educated questions.

I think the context was discussing the run up to war and Jesse said he had a signed deal with MSNBC, but when MSNBC Top Brass discovered Jesse was against the IRaq war, they fumbled around and bought out his contract and he was never on the air at MSNBC with his own show, and was also contractually bound not to speak publicly about stuff MSNBC may not want him discussing - such as the Iraq War.

Loosely, Don't think I'm 100 % accurate here, hence the very awesome link. This is a must listen!

-jim

PS - key point: Jesse said Keith started on MSNBC as a CONSERVATIVE or middle of the road journo.

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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 08:31 PM
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21. Wow. That is, without a doubt,
the worst bit of writing I've ever seen from Olbermann; completely incoherent.
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