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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:13 PM
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The Financial Crisis: The Worst Is Yet To Come
The Financial Crisis: The Worst Is Yet To Come
posted with permission from: http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2010/03/is-global-financial-crisis-over.html

The U.S. and other governments, along with pundits claim we are now in "Recovery," and the Recession is over. They're wrong, for as you'll see, the worst is yet to come. It's not necessary to agree with these predictions, but you ignore them at your peril.

Phase One, In the 1st phase of the Crisis, governments took over massive private defaulted debts so that the giant corporations that caused them wouldn't bear the losses. The sheer size of these corporate bailouts is the biggest in history. So is the magnitude of the fraud behind them, although no-one has been held accountable.

Phase Two, In the 2nd phase, these debts were too big for governments to absorb, so they borrowed and keep borrowing staggering sums of money from investors and from nations with very deep pockets such as China.

But these governments don't know how to repay these loans, or even how to pay the growing gargantuan interest charges. China figured this out and in December, sold a net $34.7 billion in U.S. government debt, and will try to sell more without panicking the market. Some other investors are also aware of this and as they get more nervous, it will be harder to sell government debt.

This situation is worse than you may think. We're all familiar with the stratospheric spending on bailouts and stimulus and in the U.S., on weapons and wars as well. But far less known is the stunning drop in tax revenues, for as people are thrown out of work and businesses shut down or downsize, they pay less or no taxes, which is why budget deficits are skyrocketing.

In the U.S., as this situation grows more desperate, there will be higher taxes: on salaries, certificates of deposit, business income and anything else that can be sold as "taxing the rich." But as we saw in the bailouts, the rich can afford lobbyists and pay relatively little taxes. That aside, no nation ever taxed its way to prosperity.

Phase Three. Greece introduced the Crisis' 3rd phase, as it is broke. In this phase, governments are now being pressured to bail out other governments. The European Union, most notably Germany, because it has the strongest European economy, is being asked to guarantee Greece's debts, something the German people oppose.

But to create the appearance of a Greek bailout, the European Union spoke of a rescue but offered no specifics. Based upon those verbal assurances, Greece just completed a $6.85 billion bond offering at a premium interest rate of 6.3%.

Unfortunately for Greece, this is a drop in the bucket compared to the hefty amount of money they must raise by May. If the European Union doesn't step up, Greece will find it nearly impossible to raise it.

There is talk of the International Monetary Fund rescuing Greece or of forming a European Bailout Fund to do it, but the Greek rescue won't happen for the IMF and Europe are a collective of nations, most with severe financial problems of their own.

In this 3rd phase, England, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain and other deeply troubled nations will appeal for vast bailouts. But unless someone shows up from El Dorado, the legendary lost city of gold, there isn't nearly enough money to bail everyone out.

Phase Four: We are racing to financial Armageddon and if you want to save the value of your money, and your financial security, raise your voice now for fiscal sanity!

Dick

Note: If you think we can get out of this fiscal crisis by vast borrowing and spending, read a remarkable new book, "This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly," by Carmen M. Reinhart, a University of Maryland economics professor and by Kenneth S. Rogoff, a Harvard economics professor, and you won't believe it for long.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:18 PM
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1. Think Bold. There is an answer.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:18 PM
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2. Devaluation is the only way. There is no political will to cut spending.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:21 PM
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3. "That aside, no nation ever taxed its way to prosperity."
What does that even mean? All nations tax. Some become prosperous. Sounds like a RW talking point, not a fact.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:39 PM
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6. There is nothing wrong with Taxing...
A nation needs economic growth to thrive via its tax policies.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:57 PM
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12. How long can growth be sustained?
Growth if fine for children, but when adults do it, it is problematic. At some point we are going to run out of stuff to make this economic growth out of.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:53 AM
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26. I agree - THIS nation taxed it's way to prosperity
starting with FDR and until Reagan came along. We taxed those with the most many times more, and WORKING PEOPLE HAD MONEY TO SPEND.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:24 PM
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4. What does that mean???
Raise your voice for fiscal sanity? You've painted a very grim picture; now paint a path forward. What do you think should be done to pull the world economy back from the brink?
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twiceshy Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:26 PM
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5. I too think this will end in hyper-inflation.......
of the currency, which will overwhelm the deflationary forces currently at work. I have an old style pension and seriously considering cashing it out and investing in gold and foreign currencies, rather than taking the monthly payments.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:43 PM
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7. I often think we are headed for a major financial reset across the globe. Over the
past several decades we (THEY) managed to wreck jobs across the nation, it was a magical formula that worked well... despite what some say, this is not an easy formula to magically restore. I wish I had a solution, I'm just venting my thoughts...

I thought the OP made a lot of sense. And I've never thought our wars and foreign policy made any sense at all. I'm a product of the Vietnam era and I've questioned our foreign policy since WWII. If there was ever a definition of a debtor nation, we are it... What gripes me is, this country generally goes after the sick, poor, old and improvised as a target for cost savings. As in the major failed corporations I've worked for, none of this had to happen, and the ones causing it sail off into the sunset unscathed.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:28 PM
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17. The wars make sense when you understand they are fought for resources.
Not some bullshit notion of freedom and democracy.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:42 PM
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19. Quite True! Excellent Point! n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:58 PM
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20. I am way past due saying this
:yourock:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:28 AM
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25. bingo n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:21 PM
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28. The USA is world thief by means of war. Agreed.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:43 PM
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8. Team Obama continues BushCo paradigm -feed the monster
That's one reason I'm so disappointed and even furious with Team Obama.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:44 PM
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9. Bottom line is that the FRCBS is fundamentally broken, the Ponzi scheme
reached it's limit. Chaos ensues.


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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:46 PM
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10. but..but...says here we are out of the woods
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7887463

and Happy Days are here again....sunshine and lollipops and etc.

:crazy:
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:59 PM
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13. That thread is a very good example of what "The Recovery Cult" is all about.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:03 PM by TheWatcher
I see one of the members of the Upper Management is spinning desperately all over that one. :rofl:

We are such a completely Broken Country.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 04:02 PM
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21. The "green shoots" brigade"! I expect you read this hilarious article
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 04:05 PM
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22. Oh, Yes.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 04:07 PM by TheWatcher
I printed that one out actually. :)

That is a VERY good piece.

It pretty much lays it all out for the average American to promptly ignore, unfortunately.

Because as we all know, the IDEA and PERCEPTION is far more important than REALITY.

Ah well, Back to the Real Housewives Of (Insert Unfortunate City Here).
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:55 PM
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11. Very Thoughtful, but it won't sell with "The Recovery Cult" here is this country.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:01 PM by TheWatcher
We might as well stop kidding ourselves.

The majority in this country is completely blind to EVERYTHING that is written in this piece. they will never wake up to any kind of reality until it affects them directly, because many are so desperate to "get back to the way things were", and believe that they were somehow "saved", they are simply going to glance over something like this, proclaim the three most magic words in America ("It doesn't Exist"), and continue on with the charade.

Although it is difficult to believe, we ARE seeing evidence of what is so far one of the biggest Consumer Spending Booms in recent years. People are searching for normalcy, and thus spending the rest of what they can't afford. This isn't anymore sustainable than the current Stock Market Bubble, but it's happening, and is just another symptom of a country that has taken leave of it's senses.

America is not capable of Fiscal Sanity, because The ENTIRE ECONOMIC MODEL is based on Fiscal INSANITY. Our Government and The Corporate Entities that bought and paid for it are not going to spearhead any real change in this environment, because they benefit too much from it.


Yes, Yes, I know, this is just more of "The Political Fantasyland" I live in.

But the day is going to come when "The Recovery Cult" is going to get hit in the head with the Shovel Of Reality and find out there never was a "Recovery" to begin with.

If there IS a way to fix all of this, I can assure you that right now, NO ONE who has the power or the influence to make it happen is going to lift a finger to do so.

Why do something that is not in your best interest?

it's so much easier to let the rest of us eat cake, and loot, rob, and steal the rest of what we have.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:02 PM
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14. +I,000,000
Good to see you friend.
BHN
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:05 PM
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15. Good to see you too BHN.
:hug:

Hope you are doing well. :)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:08 PM
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16. As well as can be expected as a passenger on the "hot rails to hell" train.
The insanity comes with the realization that so few
realize the cliff is approaching and just want to keep watching
sports in the bar car.
You and I know the engineer jumped off miles ago and
so did the brakeman.

BHN
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:29 PM
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18. I've said it before, and I will say it again.
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:30 PM by TheWatcher
When people compare the current state of this country to The Last Days of Rome, I always correct them because it is a GROSSLY inaccurate statement.

By the time we are done, we are going to make the Last Days Of Rome look SANE and ORDERLY.



The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and in each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup?
Or disappear into the potter's ground.....

When The Man Comes Around.

-Johnny Cash
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 04:17 PM
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23. Ouch !! You and that damn concise clear truth....
away, I say.

( Pulls on the American cloak of denial)

"Happy days are here again".....la la la la tee da te da.

there, now I feel all better.:evilgrin:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:19 PM
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27. I suggest a few years of not funding the pentagon.
700+ billion a year ...am I the only one who has a problem with that? Bring the military spending down to the level that Russia has. Stop the wars. Pull out out our bases. Stop the world police show. The MIC is killing our country.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:21 PM
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29. +1000000000000000
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 12:25 PM
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30. I'm up for that.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:16 AM
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24. morning kick
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