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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:33 PM
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Obama Defies Pessimists as Rising Economy Converges With Stocks
March 10 (Bloomberg) -- The political consensus may be that President Barack Obama’s handling of the economy has been weak. The judgment of money in all its forms has been overwhelmingly positive, and that may be the more lasting appraisal.

One year after U.S stocks hit their post-financial-crisis low on March 9, 2009, the benchmark Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has risen more than 68 percent, and it’s up more than 41 percent since Obama took office. Credit spreads have narrowed. Commodity prices have surged. Housing prices have stabilized.

“We’ve had a phenomenal run in asset classes across the board,” said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak & Co. in New York. “If he was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the president.”

The economy has also strengthened beyond expectations at the time Obama took office. The gross domestic product grew at a 5.9 percent annual pace in the fourth quarter, compared with a median forecast of 2.0 percent in a Bloomberg survey of economists a week before Obama’s Jan. 20, 2009, inauguration. The median forecast for GDP growth this year is 3.0 percent, according to Bloomberg’s February survey of economists, versus 2.1 percent for 2010 in the survey taken 13 months earlier.

“You have to give them -- along with the Federal Reserve - - a lot of credit,” said Joseph Carson, director of economic research at AllianceBernstein LP in New York. “A year ago, there was panic, as well as concern. And a lot of the expectations were not only that we were going to have declines in activity but they would stretch all the way to 2010, if not 2011.”

Job Losses Ease

Since then, monthly job losses have abated, from 779,000 during the month Obama took office to 36,000 last month. Corporate profits have grown; among 491 companies in the S&P 500 that reported fourth-quarter earnings, profits rose 180 percent from a year ago, according to Bloomberg data. Durable goods orders in January were up 9.3 percent from a year earlier. Inflation is tame, and long-term interest rates remain low.

Still, the economy has become a political burden for Obama. Voters give his administration little credit for its performance, while the unemployment rate remains high, at 9.7 percent in February.

Public opinion of Obama’s handling of the economy has gone from 59 percent approval in February 2009 to 61 percent disapproval this February, according to Gallup polls.

<snip>

300,000 Jobs Seen

The U.S. may add as many as 300,000 jobs in March, the most in four years, David Greenlaw, chief fixed-income economist at Morgan Stanley in New York, said in a Bloomberg Radio interview.

Zandi said the economic rebound is largely a result of the policies of the White House and Federal Reserve. He cited the bank bailout, the Fed’s low-interest-rate policy and support for credit markets, and the Obama administration’s stimulus plan, bank stress tests and backing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

“When you take it all together, the response was massive and unprecedented and ultimately successful,” Zandi said.

more . . .


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aeSenIUvpSK0&pos=10
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:36 PM
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1. Getting harder and harder to sell that false meme that President Obama has done a poor job
with the economy.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:37 PM
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2. A recession is when my neighbor loses his job.. A depression is when I lose my job..
Very damn few jobs in my area and lots of people looking, including me..

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:40 PM
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8. History tells us jobs is the last thing to recover
but it will follow as day follows night
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:41 PM
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10. yeah, it will only take 10 years or more
But hey -- Wall Street's doing FINE.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:42 PM
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12. what story are you gong to try and sell us when the jobs come back?
I am sure it will just as bad as all the others though.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:44 PM
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15. ROFL
hold your breath till they come back please? :sarcasm:

:rofl:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:46 PM
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17. Amazing how you don't let a string of wrong predictions and claims
stop you from thinking you know it all
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:54 PM
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20. Unemployment rises in 30 states in January..
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:58 PM
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25. Thirty-one states added jobs in January, up from only 11 in the previous month
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:39 PM
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5. yeah, that JOBLESS recovery is right on target
what does the rest of the country matter when all the MONEY is on Wall Street. THOSE are the only important factors to this administration.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:42 PM
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11. The ever changing false propaganda
first you claimed that Obama blew the bank bail out and it was still going to fail

then you claimed he messed up the economy in general and the stock market would never recover

then you claimed he messed up and the GNP would never recover

now you are trying to claim it's a jobless recovery

what are you going to try and sell us when the jobs start coming back?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:42 PM
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13. wall Street syncophants comtinue to SPIN
keep shoveling it toots. It's fun to watch :rofl:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:45 PM
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16. So your answer is when you are proven wrong this time
name calling will be your retort... got it
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:38 PM
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3. I am going to clip and save this article and read it again
in 6 and in 12 months.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:39 PM
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4. Main Street is continuing to deteriorate.
So there is no cause for champagne yet.

There also have been no long term fixes to this mess. Instead we are being setup for another bubble.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:39 PM
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6. no job growth, no recovery
nice try though
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:40 PM
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9. but lots and lots of SPIN from the minions. n/t
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:40 PM
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7. oh the trickle down reagan economics eh
Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com, said the public’s opinion of the economy is likely to improve as the gains companies have made begin to translate into more jobs and higher wages.

“Businesses are doing very well but households have yet to benefit,” Zandi said. “Households will eventually benefit, but they’ll have to see it before they believe it.”

businesses get tax breaks and stimulus funds and move right on out of the country.

until outsourcing is addressed, fuck reagan trickle down theories.

the only people benefiting are on wall street.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:43 PM
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14. Two Weeks Ago, every librarian in my local school district was laid off
except for 2 - one at each high school, each school with student pops of more than 2500.

so, it's hard to hear the smug when people who work for a fucking living don't have jobs because states have to balance budgets.

but I'm glad the stock market likes Obama. and why wouldn't they?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:48 PM
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18. Your comments show a disdain for all the seniors that live on their 401Ks
and needed the Stock Market to come back.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:55 PM
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22. And your statements show a disdain for those who need a job..
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:58 PM
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24. Thirty-one states added jobs in January, up from only 11 in the previous month
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:59 PM
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26. Well, one or the other of us is wrong and I provided a link..
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:00 PM by Fumesucker
Edited for speling.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:03 PM
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27. Nope that came from your link, I just bothered to read past the headline
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:06 PM
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30. But you left off the important part..
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:09 PM by Fumesucker
There were some signs of job creation. Thirty-one states added jobs in January, up from only 11 in the previous month. But the job gains weren't enough, in many cases, to lower the unemployment rate.

Edited to add: You see, the population is growing, we must add jobs just to stay even..

Also my state is one of the five with *record* unemployment, not that you give a damn.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:17 AM
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41. I'm a senior. Please spare me the horseshit
I live on Social Security and a defined benefits pension. I have annuities (that I haven't tapped into yet) with low returns but not in any way tied to the stock market, which is just another bubble with no connection to the real world.

What kind of idiot thinks that most seniors live on 401ks?
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 11:22 AM
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43. Seniors that need to live on their 401ks
are the last people who should be in the stock market in any meaningful way right now. That is simply a frightening thought - they will go from bad to worse.

The stock market needs major changes, including addressing the whole gambling CDS issue, and until that happens, I am not going back into that fraudulent scheme. And yes, I say that despite earning virtually nothing on my retirement vehicles right now.

I don't have 401ks or pension plans or the like, only what I've managed to save since I was in my early 20s. This small manipulated run up would need years, maybe decades of repetition to help most people regain what they've lost. Some seniors really don't have that kind of time left on the clock.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:48 PM
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19. 300,000 jobs for March?
:rofl: Oh that's precious.

Time after time economists have warned against judging the whole of economic health solely on the basis of markets, which is essentially what this piece is doing. Meanwhile out here in the real world, people are still losing jobs, losing homes, losing hope. While the economy may good for those at the top, for the rest of us, we're still in hell.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 02:55 PM
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21. Here is David's qualifications to make that prediction
David Greenlaw is a Managing Director and Chief U.S. Fixed Income Economist. His primary duties involve analysis of the U.S. economy and credit markets, including Federal Reserve and Treasury activity. He is also responsible for the projections of key economic indicators. Before joining Morgan Stanley in 1986, David was an economist with the Policy Economics Group, a Washington, D.C., consulting firm. Prior to that he served on the staff of the Federal Reserve Board in Washington, D.C., for four years.

David holds an M.B.A. from New York University and a B.A. from the University of New Hampshire. He has also done extensive graduate work at the University of Chicago and George Washington University.


What are your qualifications to laugh at him?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 07:18 AM
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42. In other words he doesn't know any unemployed people
As long as the banksters and other parasites are happy, he's happy.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:05 PM
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28. Unemployment rises in 30 states in January - AP
All is well in Wonderland according to the guys who gave us the recession.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100310/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_state_unemployment

WASHINGTON – Unemployment rose in 30 states in January, the Labor Department said Wednesday, evidence that jobs remain scarce in most regions of the country.

The data is somewhat better than December, when 43 states reported higher unemployment rates, but worse than November, when rates fell in most states.

Still, five states reported record-high joblessness in January: California, at 12.5 percent; South Carolina, 12.6 percent; Florida, 11.9 percent; North Carolina, 11.1 percent; and Georgia, 10.4 percent.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:06 PM
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29. Thirty-one states added jobs in January, up from only 11 in the previous month
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:10 PM
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32. what kind of jobs?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:11 PM
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33. Based on other reports they are probably in the manufacturing sector
which has been having the best rebound
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:11 PM
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34. where's the link?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:15 PM
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35. Here,
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:23 PM
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36. Yep I really couldn't understand what the pessimists were saying. We're on the road back..
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 03:25 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
the only thing that can make the detractors right is to let the congress slip back to Republican control.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:28 PM
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37. Unemployment rises in 30 states in January could be one reason some people are not that thrilled..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4301285

I'll just point out that there was *record* unemployment in my state in January.. Whoo Hoo!!!
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 09:58 PM
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40. Yeah but to put into context it's amazing the economy's coming back at all given how many obstacles
Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 10:02 PM by ProgressOnTheMove
the GOP put in the way. The only path to full recovery is expanding the Democratic majority, as far as I can see.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:31 PM
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38. You got that right, GOP control would be the death blow to our fragile recovery economy
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 06:38 PM
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39. Well good for the investment class I am glad this recovery is working so well for you guys
At least they saved the wealthy, I guess the fact that people like me (those that work for a living) are sinking and growing poorer is not really very important.

There are enough of us to cut your grass and clean your homes and will now work for food, that will save you some more money.
Those that are left can just die.

Mission accomplished.
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