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Wed Mar-10-10 11:45 PM
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President Obama is better suited for the Supreme Court... |
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Edited on Wed Mar-10-10 11:47 PM by kentuck
...than for the Presidency? Some folks might think so?
Doesn't this guy ever get angry? Why must he always remain calm, reasoned, and aware?
That would be the demeanor better suited for a Supreme Court Justice than for the President of the United States. For President, we need one of those shit-kickers. The kind that wear those pointy-toed cowboy boots, if for nothing else, are good for killing bugs in a corner...
(edited for correction in the usage of the English language)
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:47 PM
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1. Maybe it's the whole Angry Black Man thing |
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When a white politician blows up he has convictions and is taking a bold stand.
When a black politician blows up he will be deemed an "angry black man" or "ghetto".
I think Obama knows this.
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:50 PM
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3. He's being called that now... |
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:52 PM
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5. Only by the people who would never support him anyway |
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and they need to be written off.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:39 AM
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31. well, he could just go all Clarence Thomas on 'em |
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and accuse 'em of "high tech lynchings" and such.
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:49 PM
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2. took him a year to submit his own HCR package, he's too slow for the court lol nt |
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:54 PM
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6. Unfortunately, I'm with you and it saddens me that we got sucked in like we did. n/t |
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:57 PM
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Um, I guess if you call pulling the country back from the brink 'f**ing up royally'...
I think people wanted reasoned judgement. He's not getting any airplay anyway so...does it really matter?
If we wanted hot headed street brawler we would've elected Clinton...right?
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:05 AM
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13. And one of the biggest of all, not holding the previous Administration accountable |
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for their obvious law breaking tactics. How the hell can we actually enforce any laws in this country while letting these criminals just waltz away freely.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:10 AM
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16. And he's 14 months behind schedule to repeal DADT. |
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Wasn't that something he said he'd do on day one in the WH? Or am I hallucinating bullshit campaign promises again?
Oh yeah, he's going to form a committee to study the issue, and they'll end back a report as quietly as possible on a Friday after a busy news cycle and nothing will get done. That's change I can believe in, let me tell ya.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:07 AM
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14. Do you really need to use foul, ugly language and imagery to express your views? |
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It shows how thread bare and empty the rest of your argument is.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:15 AM
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19. Are you that scandalized by "fuckton" and "handjob"? |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:18 AM by LeftyMom
Get a grip.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:18 AM
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22. I thought LeftyMom's language and imagery was pleasing and refreshing. And as far as her |
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argument being empty goes, well, horseshit. Every word she said was true. If you can point out what part of her statement was incorrect, I'm all ears. And "threadbare" is one word.
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:06 AM
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47. I can't because it's gone. I guess I wasn't the only one who found it vulgar and beneath this... |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 01:15 AM by NoFace
discussion.
But thanks for correcting me about 'threadbare'. Guess you learn something new every day huh?
:)
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:11 AM
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17. Yes, it is all Obama's fault? |
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Is that what you truly believe??
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:20 AM
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23. That he's spineless and unable to negotiate from a position of strength? Yeah, that's all him. |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:38 AM
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30. What "position of strength" do you speak? |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:38 AM by kentuck
Yes, he had numbers in the House and the Senate. But he didn't have the votes. There were too many in bed with the big corporations and defense contractors. No one could snap their fingers and make it disappear immediately.
On top of that, when he came into office, there were indeed some mighty dire conditions handed to him when he walked into that White House. Just to be fair...
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:47 AM
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32. He had a majority, tons of momentum, and historic public support. |
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He not only didn't manage to translate those strengths into his promised policy initiatives, he pissed away all three. Well, technically he's still got a majority, but he can't seem to ride herd on anybody to turn that into votes, and in any case barring some unforseen development between now he's likely to lose that come November.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:55 AM
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He had Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln and Arlen Specter (who switched) |
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Maybe it's time for people to stop being delusional about who is in the Senate.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:56 AM
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40. Subtract them out and he still had a majority. |
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:03 AM
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45. Yeah, progressives like |
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Mary Landrieu, Bill Nelson, Max Baucus and Evan Bayh.
Like I said, people need to become familiar with the Senate.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:55 AM
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38. You may be right about November... |
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But, I would say he was stabbed in the back by his own Party in many instances.
This is called the "Revenge for Bush" tour. Screw your bi-partisanship. We are not agreeing with you on anything.
It's not like he inherited a surplus and peace around the globe. But let's not let those trivial matters stand in our way as we rush to blame Barack Obama, not for causing the mess, but for not cleaning it up, I suppose?
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:01 AM
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43. Blaming Bush is weak sauce. Obama knew the situation when he ran. |
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If he wasn't up to it, he should have stayed in the senate.
Seriously, FDR came into office in the middle of the worst economic crisis in modern times, if not in history period, and immediately set to work enacting policy. Some of it worked, some of it didn't and needed fixed later. But he didn't use the bad hand Hoover had dealt him as an excuse.
Clearly Obama's no FDR, but the excuse-making is getting old. If you can't push policy through you aren't an effective president.
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:09 AM
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49. Right. He should have cleaned it all up in a year... |
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It really wasn't that bad, was it??
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:16 AM
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20. "we would've elected Clinton...right?" |
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She'd have been no different. We had no real choice, other than first woman President or first Black President. They're coming from the same place, and they'd take us to the same place.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:25 AM
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24. I agree with you on that! n/t |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:08 AM
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:56 PM
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7. What a stupid thing to say |
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The man was elected for the Presidency of The United States Of America. Kindly, refrain from such insult. Such comparison you made is a teabagger mentality, imo.
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Wed Mar-10-10 11:59 PM
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9. More thinly veiled, guerrilla culture warriors / freepers if you ask me. |
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Trying to plant seeds of discontent.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:02 AM
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10. You're entitled to your opinion... |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:07 AM by kentuck
..Thank you.
Perhaps I should have spelled it out more clearly?
"...like George W Bush."
<sarcasm>
Perhaps that would have been better for the scholars?
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:11 AM
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18. I guess I will have to reconsider your OP, now that you have edited nicely |
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...but do continue on.....
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:03 AM
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12. Kruchev pounding the table with his shoe and saying "We will bury you" was so much more... |
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affective. Getting angry and pursuing the Yosemite Sam or Duffy Duck style of leadership is a winning political solution.
Slow, steady, and calm win the race.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:18 AM
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21. "Slow and steady win the race" |
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But nice guys finish last.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:26 AM
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25. the tortoise was nice, and still the meanest son of a bitch in the valley... |
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But what purpose is anger. It would just makes him look like an out of control freak. Remember the Dean scream and how well that played. Anger doesn't win anything.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:37 AM
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28. But the Dean scream wasn't anger, it was supposed to be |
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enthusiastic and generate enthusiasm in the face of a crushing defeat.
Anger has plenty of purpose, and utility, so long as it isn't the master. Anger is energy, and can be directed to positive as well as destructive ends.
And come on, you don't really think the tortoise was mean, do you? He was persistent and focused, while the hare was arrogant. The fox, the owl, the eagle and the panther...now those were the meanest sons of bitches in the valley.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:38 AM
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29. Sadly, they too frequently do, IMO. n/t |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:30 AM
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27. I doubt he's suited for either position at this point. |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:48 AM
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33. He would make a fine Supreme Court justice. |
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I think it's premature to say he makes a poor president, though. I'm far from certain that his emotional demeanor makes any difference.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:58 AM
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41. Your post is exactly why I put ?? in the post. |
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That some shallow minded person would jump on it like a chicken on a junebug..
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:00 AM
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I meant to reply to one of the other replies above, not to your OP.
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54. Goodbye Simon, aka empyreanisles, dolphindance, and |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:51 AM
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36. He is better suited for the Senate, preferably the Illinois Senate where he should have remained. |
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:13 AM
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52. Yes, because Alan Keyes or Jack Ryan would have been MUCH better Senators. |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:51 AM
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37. Given Obama's disturbingly casual approach to constitutional rights, |
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I don't think he'd be a good choice for SCOTUS.
He'd be dynamite on corporate boards, though.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:56 AM
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39. He's the best person for the Presidency. |
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Better than all the imaginary one's in the delusional people's heads.
He's also the person who won against the very real people who ran against him.
So there is that.
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:01 AM
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44. Yes, I suppose there's always that small detail. |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 01:03 AM by NoFace
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:04 AM
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46. It is understandable why people are impatient... |
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But he has a large wall to climb before he can begin to run... We are not a patient people. But this is a democracy. In the end, it is up to us, the people.
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:11 AM
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50. He turned out to be precisely the wrong type of person for the times |
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We needed a fighter- not a conciliator and consensus builder who naively clings to bipartisan fantasies and is too conflict averse to to harness the populist anger and resentment that could have been used fuel corporate accountability and propel the substantial policy changes that were necessary.
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53. "We needed a fighter- not a conciliator " He turned out to be |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 01:14 AM by ProSense
the person who got health care reform through five committees in Congress and passed in both the House and the Senate.
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Thu Mar-11-10 01:11 AM
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Thu Mar-11-10 10:14 AM
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55. he is casper milquetoast. even Dr`Cornel West wants him to start kicking some ass |
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but, than, many of the sold out dems in DC are just as spineless, it seems.
its the profit machine. that runs most of them.
campaign finance reform might fix some of it.
right now, its a washout.
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