Fairly Amazing Chart on Relgion/Conservatives and Lifestyles

[NeedleCast]

The most religious states tend to havet he lowest IQs and considerably higher crime and poverty rates. They have the lowest health and contentent rate and generally higher numbers of people who self-identify as conservative. They also tend to have slightly higher divorce rates (with the exception of Nevada...hey, it's Vegas baby!)

Please note that I don't have anything to back up the statistical information in this chart, it's not my work. *Edit* Links to sites statistcs were taken from at bottom of chart.

[provis99]

1. no surprise that Mississippi tops the list

the classic hypocritical bible belt state. I note that we had the lowest IQ scores, too, making us the dumbest state in the union! Mississippi's Unofficial Slogan is: First in everything bad, and last in everything good.

[izquierdista]

2. Have to change some lyrics

"Almost hell -- West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountains...."

at least according to the health and contentment ranking. What's happened in the 40 years since John Denver wrote that song?

[The Magistrate]

3. This Is No Surprise, Sir

Indeed, it is generally known, though seldom commented on. It is nice to see it laid out in tabular form....

[BlancheSplanchnik]

4. Heyyy Mr. Magistrate! Man, it's great to see ya!! How ya doin???

oops! wait... I mean:

Your Honor, it is a boon and a pleasure to see you! I enthusiastically hope you are in good health and spirits!

:D

[northofdenali]

39. Magistrate, sir! May one ask -

where the heck have you been? Good to see/hear/read you again! :hi:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

40. He had surgery. Which went well, unless he's been lying to make us feel better. -nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

5. Great chart! Thanks for posting it.

wow. Really makes ya think.....

jobs, social safety nets, and education might be pretty important--that's one thought that comes to mind.......

[harun]

6. I don't agree with your correlation of religiosity to crime and IQ.

One could just as easily correlate it to racism.

Utah is more religious than the Southern states and they have a solid IQ and high charity giving.

Problem is the way racism and xenophobism is used to manipulate the population of the Southern Conservative states to continually vote for abhorrent fascist Republicans who support oppressing the poor and promoting the upper class. They use the few wedge issues they have to elect candidates who actively work against the economic interest of their constituents.

It's the scare factor. They're simply easier to scare in to action, even when that action is against their interest.

[NeedleCast]

30. I didn't make one N/T

[spoony]

7. If you're seriously trying to tie religiosity to low IQ

You could have at least spelled religion correctly in the subject header.

[NeedleCast]

10. Next time I'll run spell check just for you

Typo-nazi.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. I don't think the poster you responded to is a typo-nazi.

Unless you can point me a pro-religion post he nitpicked likewise.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

[spoony]

17. There are pro-religion threads on DU?

It's fun to have fans, though. See you the next time I post!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

21. Amazing as it may seem, I'm in this thread because (1) I found the OP interesting, and...

...(2) I tend to read replies to threads I found interesting. Don't overestimate your importance.

If this makes you feel better, the R/T forum (a) is one I don't go to that often, and (b) contains many pro-religion threads that are easy to find.

But you knew that already.

Oh, I almost forgot! There's Christian groups too. Those, I won't touch with a 10-ft pole, ever. But of course, to post THERE, you'll have to direct a small portion of your hard earned money to the pockets of the DU admins, who are, of course, filthy liberals. I understand how that prospect may be unpleasant. But hey, there's still R/T.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. I eagerly await an explanation for the undeniable correlation. You'll notice the OP didn't offer one

- he just pointed it out.

[NeedleCast]

18. It's pretty clear

That as religiosity rises, IQ falls. There are, I'm sure, a large number of other factors involved, but it does seem to be a factor.

Again, not my data and I do not know the methods used by the creator of the chart to achieve the numbers in it.

[spoony]

22. Whatever boosts the self esteem, mate.

Just like with the other recent study about religion and IQ, that was posted about twenty times. You lot have pretty much staked your entire identities on being superior to religious people, as each confirmation bias post like this goes to show, and I have little interest in taking your binky away. I was just pointing out a bit of rich irony, is all.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

24. You're a neverending source of entertainment to "us lot". Please never change.

If there's anything boosting "us lot" self-esteem here -- it's you.

[NeedleCast]

25. You're projecting quite a bit

As I've made quite clear, I am neither the creator or the statistician behind the chart. I saw it, I thought it was interesting, and I posted it. There's a lot more data correlation in the chart than simply religion/IQ. It could just as easily be looked at to relate information between states with the highest number of self identifying conservatives to poverty rate or least charitable states to crime statistics.

But please, oh persecuted christian, feel free to continue bemoaning just how bad the vast christian majority are getting it stuck to them.

[spoony]

26. Lol, wow you guys get wound up.

Did I say anyone was persecuted? Or give the impression the chart was yours? You posted it, and did so because you agree with it. No need to unglue yourself, gads.

[NeedleCast]

28. Who's wound up?

I don't really have a pony in this race other than an interest in the statistical correlations in the chart - which I've pointed out can be used to link any number of things with other things. You were the one to jump in here and suggest that I posted it to point out the link between religion and lower IQ. I'm afraid you're projecting again, as the tone of my posts simply doesn't suggest that I'm coming unglued.

Again, feel free to go on defending something that isn't being attacked. Would you like a hammer and nails?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

29. Ha! Who, exactly, got their feathers ruffled by the posting of a statistic without comment?

Not "us lot", that's for sure.

[spoony]

31. Actually my issue was with the lack of language skills.

Since the OP has no idea how the conclusion was reached, but really likes it in a faith-based kind of way, there's no point in talking about the chart. I'm only still here to watch you clucking about me, but honestly even that's getting old.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. The "relgion" typo means lack of language skills???????

Holy crap, you get funnier by the minute.

I'm loving this.

[NeedleCast]

35. I think earlier I suggest the wrong tools

Spoony doesn't need a hammer and nails, he needs a shovel.

[NeedleCast]

34. I'm sure that's it

DU is is quite fortunate to have you going from thread to thread, pointing out typing errors. I'm sure this isn't the only thread you've involved yourself in simply to address a single misspelled word...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. ..and post #14 remains without an answer. Typical.

Billy: "Joey's ice cream is bigger than mine! Waaaaahhhhh!"
Mom: "Billy, these ice cream cups are packaged at a factory, by machines, and have exactly the same weight."
(beat)
Billy: "Joey's ice cream is bigger than mine! Waaaaahhhhh!"
Mom: *sigh*

[gatorboy]

19. Hahaha!!

Nice...

[spoony]

23. Hiya, gatorboy.

:hi:

[1776Forever]

8. It is a control issue and the good ole' boys are alive and well n the top 12 states.

And hopefully with more people from other areas moving there this culture will change someday in the future.

[tinrobot]

9. Ranking by IQ would give you a cleaner table.

Seems like the smartest states also seem to be the most green across the board.

It's also why so many conservatives try to dumb down the population and keep them uneducated. Dumb people vote against their best interests because, well, because they're dumb.

[NeedleCast]

11. Not my table

But I tend to agree. The table appears to have been created by an amalgam of statistical data (links provided at bottom of table). I'm not sure what their method of corrilating the data was.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. The beauty of it is, no matter what the causation relations are, it's damning to the rightos.

Religion causes crime? Damning to them.
Crime causes religion? Damning to them.
Crime and religion are caused by a third factor? Damning to them.
Poverty causes divorce? Damning to them.
Divorce causes poverty? Damning to them.
Divorce and poverty are caused by a third factor? Damning to them.
Low intelligence causes righ-wingness? Damning to them.
Righ-wingness causes low intelligence? Damning to them.
Righ-wingness and low intelligence are caused by a third factor? Damning to them.

Etc etc etc.

[kenfrequed]

15. Err...

I am uncertain about Utah's placement on generosity. Isn't that based on the fact that the larger mormon population is required to tithe to the church? How much of that generosity actually goes to help those less fortunate?

Just curious.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. That could be an explanation why the generosity correlation is much weaker...

...than that of intelligence, crime, or right-wingness.

[bullwinkle428]

32. I'd be willing to bet much of that "high generosity" giving in Utah

goes directly to the Mormon Church, who in turn use that to further promote their own disgustingly homophobic agenda!

[gatorboy]

20. Didn't Maine defeat gay marriage last election?

Let's hear it for those progressive high IQ's! They're really helping change the face of bigotry in this country. :eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. Kick for undeniable facts that annoy only assholes. -nt

[la_chupa]

37. education level would be interesting to toss in here n/t

[Initech]

38. Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed Utah's religiousness rating is a 69.

[Wizard777]

41. We don't have this problem in Zoroastrianism. God is Wisdom.

So if you aren't getting smarter. Your not really practicing the religion properly.

:rofl:

It's not a matter of God being smart so we don't have to. We are obligated to learn from Him and His creation. Monotheism had a very highbrow start. But it's really gone down hill in the successive monotheistic religions.