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Thu Mar-11-10 11:15 AM
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Would you be cool living where you got around by horse or camel? |
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:16 AM
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1. horse or mule, definitely ... never ridden a camel, so can't say. n/t |
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:19 AM
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2. You can't get there from here |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:24 AM by kenny blankenship
Not without a few hundred million or more likely a few billion people dying off . No one can say they'll "be all right" in such a scenario. Even if you live that way right now, your life wouldn't be worth a plug nickel during the long transition to a world without mechanical transportation.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:19 AM
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3. Yep, I would. And I would prefer the lifestyle that would go along with it... |
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that is, a much, much slower pace.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:21 AM
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4. No. The streets would be covered with shit. |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:21 AM by slackmaster
That's why people started driving cars in the first place.
You don't have to clean up after a "horseless carriage".
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:32 AM
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10. oh so no one would want to handle all that FERTILIZER? |
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There's gold in them thar muffins Dude. A LOT easier to clean up than millions of pounds of emissions from exhausts.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:35 AM
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12. My grandparents all remembered what the streets of their midwestern towns were like before cars... |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:36 AM by slackmaster
There were a lot of flies, and the smell of urine and horse feces was overwhelming in the summer.
In case anyone suspects otherwise, I'm not being facetious in the least when I say that a lack of horse-generated pollution was one of the reasons people started driving cars.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:40 AM
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16. my grandparents remember that too -- as well as the CONCENTRATED effort of Henry Ford |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:40 AM by Donnachaidh
to completely wipe out not only the horse and buggy, but the steam engine cars as well.
Considering the air around major cities like NY, LA and Atlanta can be visably cut, chewed and swallowed because of auto emissions -- I would think that a GREEN return to something other than fossil fuels, one that would BENEFIT the public, should be an option.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:10 PM
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21. Returning to pack animals is definitely not an option in Manhattan |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:13 PM by slackmaster
It was bad enough before the automotive revolution. Imagine what it would be like with today's much higher human population, if everyone who wasn't able to use a bicycle rode a horse or in a horse-drawn buggy.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:35 AM
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13. No, you just breathe in the shit they put out. nt |
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:38 AM
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14. In the early days, people thought of it as an occasional puff of smoke that simply blew away |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:38 AM by slackmaster
Carried off by the four winds. Compare that to something that smells bad, breeds flies, and stays on the ground until someone shovels it up.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:26 PM
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24. I imagine the smell would be just pleasant |
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On that warm August day, temp around 110.
Plus, don't camels spit? My Tiguan's never spit on me so far. :P
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:21 AM
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5. I think a bicycle would be better in most situations |
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cheaper and less manure as well. China had the right idea until they went insane and car crazy.
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:24 PM
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23. In a world without mechanical transportation, human settlement will become |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:56 PM by kenny blankenship
much more sparse and spread out. Why is that? Don't cars and planes allow people to live further away from their work and from other people? Yes they do, but a world without mechanical transport reverts back to agrarian subsistence - and that's if it's lucky. A world that gets around on horseback plows its fields with oxen and draft horses and can't support a population larger than that which can be fed that way - sans modern fertilizers and insecticides. 90-95% of people at least who survive in this world will be "employed" trying to grow enough food to survive into next year. They will of necessity become spread out thinly over the arable land. (Incidently, women will revert to being household slaves in this nightmare future. "Work" will go back to being brutally physical and the gendered division of labor will re-assert itself. There won't be any labor saving gizmos that will allow housework to be easily split-as it is now- among both sexes whose work life is usually not physically demanding. I certainly hope no women are chiming in on this thread about how much fun it would be to live in a world that lives and moves by horse power - they have EVERYTHING to lose with the loss of petro- civilization.) Bicycles would be a curiosity limited to the few big cities that haven't been abandoned or destroyed by wars and revolutions.
On the upside, obesity will be unknown, bicycles or no.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:23 AM
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6. I used to ride a horse that needed a lot of prodding to go anywhere |
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 11:24 AM by TwilightGardener
that wasn't yummy pasture. So, no. Not reliable enough. I don't want my transportation to think and have opinions.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:24 AM
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7. Yes. I never got, nor will I ever get, my flying car and automatic food dispenser |
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that I was promised as a child in the 70s. So, in the face of resource depletion (especially crude oil), I would rather revert to a time when we grew our own food and rode horses.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:27 AM
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:30 AM
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As my previous profession was equine -- oh you betcha *wink wink*.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:32 AM
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11. Spend a weekend on Mackinac Island, MI. |
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All horses all of the time, no cars or trucks. Very quaint but boy does it smell. On a dead air day you can smell the island for miles. Busiest job on the island is washing down the streets.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:54 AM
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19. I've been to Mac at least a dozen times and it smells more like Fudge than poop. |
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only a two block area on the main drag has any real concentration of horse droppings and besides nearly everyone gets around by bicycle for individual transport.
I saw a lot of people getting around with horse drawn jitneys but I never saw anyone riding one horse alone in the saddle. Almost every horse on the island pulls a cart with at least 3-4 people in it.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:39 AM
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15. Isn't a basic bike cheaper and more efficient? Stop working for your horse, man! |
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:41 AM
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17. Absolutely! I would *love* to live in such a place. n/t |
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:46 AM
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Wouldn't be practical for me as traveling is part of my job.
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Thu Mar-11-10 11:57 AM
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20. Get a fast horse/camel. nt |
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Thu Mar-11-10 12:13 PM
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Edited on Thu Mar-11-10 12:14 PM by Jim__
If the normal means of travel is horse or camel, the society would be so different from the one we live in, it's hard to imagine what it would be like.
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