if there is no public option I will only vote for independents or not at all in the 2010

[ORDagnabbit]

[tabatha]

1. That will hurt your case not help it. Rove will have won.

The reason there is no PO, is because the 2008 election was also a fraud.
There should have been more (real) democrats elected, and there would have been enough votes to pass the PO.
But with the likes of Joe Scum, it could not happen ---- unless you are advocating the overthrow of democratic process.

[Warpy]

2. How silly.

It would be a better idea to go visit the folks at http://www.progressivepunch.org and see how your incumbent has done on the health care issue.

I can't see throwing men like Grayson and Weiner out of office in a snit just because they're incumbents, they've fought very hard for us.

Likewise, others have fought very hard on this issue and if you don't educate yourself and everyone else about them, then you're just being lazy, short sighted and self defeating.

[subterranean]

3. +1

[Frances]

12. Warpy, I agree 100%

Reagan was elected governor of California and then president of the U.S. because of people who insisted on only voting for someone who thought exactly like them.

The same was true in 2000 when purists refused to vote for Gore because he was too corporist.

The least the purists could do is send money to Grayson, who has introduced the medicare buy-in bill.

[nickinSTL]

26. this is a good site

makes me hate Blagojevich all the more- because of him, we're going to lose the most progressive Senator in the country after only a small part of a term.

Roland Burris' numbers :

Lifetime progressive score: 99.37
Rank: 1/100

His lowest score by topic is 95.45 in Fair Taxation.

:mad:

[LoZoccolo]

4. Do whatever the fuck you want in Oregon, it doesn't matter and we aren't listening. n/t

[Flaneur]

21. Apparently you are listening. n/t

[pa28]

36. Congratulations.

You managed to be even less constructive than the OP.

[ORDagnabbit]

5. I'm with Norman Goldman on this... I am tired of corporate dems... you keep drinking the koolaid

if you want but remember what Einstein said

doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

[Echo In Light]

9. Agreed..although I'll still support local progressive Dems.

[LoZoccolo]

13. Which of your Democratic elected officials is corporate? n/t

[dionysus]

6. aren't you special.

[ORDagnabbit]

7. says the person with the name of a God.

[MineralMan]

47. Nice Neener...really...

[ashling]

8. That is analogous to Stupaks flawed strategy

I know you and others will disagree, but it is in essence much the same.
There are lots of other reasons to vote one way or the other.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Nobody likes me. Everybody hates me.

I think I'll eat some worms!

[Name removed]

11. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[maxsolomon]

14. Foolish

but you're just hyperbolizing. the consequences of GOP control of any arm of government is too dire.

and you know it.

[Citizen Kang]

34. That argument no longer works

We get the same thing from the Democrats as we have from the GOP. It doesn't really matter which of the Corporate Parties are in charge.

I thought 2008 was the beginning of a new progressive era. I was deluded.

Fool me once.....shame on you. Fool me twice....

[maxsolomon]

38. no, we DON'T get the same

has Obama STARTED 2 illegal wars?

has Obama recklessly LOWERED taxes on the wealthiest americans while publically stating that "deficits don't matter"?

has Obama appointed unqualified right wing idealogues to the bench or to head major federal agencies?

has Obama laughed and gone on vacation when a natural disaster strikes?

i'll concede that when Dems are in power, things don't get better, they just get less worse. but when the GOP is in power, things get much worse quickly. liberal disillusionment is EXACTLY the GOP strategy. this is what THEY want you to feel. don't pout and take your ball home at the end of the 1st quarter because the other side is playing stingy defense at the start.

a presidency is 8 YEARS - 2 whole football games. buck up!

[lamp_shade]

15. and you're so proud of yourself for saying that, aren't you.

[LoZoccolo]

16. Can't believe the responses are getting deleted before the OP. n/t

[leftstreet]

22. Not sure it violates DU rules

OP isn't advocating working against Democrats


:shrug:

[RedCloud]

17. Our takeover is just beginning. We need to get that counterculture going again.

The one that said not to trust the pigs ever!

[Zen Democrat]

18. You're the Republicans' DREAM liberal voter with that attitude. n/t

[ourbluenation]

19. Then the DEMOCRATIC Underground might be the wrong place for you. n/t

[petersjo02]

20. Your way or the highway, huh?

If you don't get exactly what you want, then nobody else gets to have anything either. To he__ with everyone else. That's smart. :sarcasm:

[truth2power]

23. Same here. I already took the Obama bumper sticker off my car. I'm done. n/t

[MineralMan]

40. Ooooh....that'll show him.

Yes, indeed!

[dionysus]

42. that's called taking a STAND man!

:rofl:

[MineralMan]

45. You bet. The poster should contact CNN. They'll send a

field reporter out to shoot that.

Then, some enterprising DUer will post it as Late Breaking News!

These brave acts of protest tend to snowball like that. I'll be following this news closely, for sure. :popcorn:

[MineralMan]

46. You're done? Really? Promise?

:scared:

[truth2power]

49. I've asked this question several times on this board, and never got an answer..

So, I'll ask again --

During the Bush/Cheney Reign of Terror many on this board, including myself, ridiculed the Republicans for marching in lock-step with Bush and supporting him, no matter what. I and others said things like, "If he roasted a baby on the WH lawn..." and then asserted that the Repubs would NEVER turn against him.

So, where would anyone here draw that line? If there are NO circumstances under which Obama wouldn't deserve our support, then how does that make us any different than the Repubs?

[lpbk2713]

24. An' I'm gonna hold my breath until I turn blue in the face.

Jesus Fuggen Keerist. :eyes:

[freddie mertz]

25. I'll vote for a progressive Democrat too. Grayson, Weiner, DK, etc, are A-OK.

Not for one of the enablers though.

Never again.

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. I won't go quite that far, but I won't vote ever again for a Democrat

who votes like a Republican.

Admittedly, that will limit my choices severely.

Independents, Greens and progressive Dems (if I can find them).

[ReverendDeuce]

28. Be careful saying that sort of thing here...

Several months ago I said I would sit on my hands in 2012 and my post was deleted.

[Lil Missy]

29. I'll alert the press. n/t

[old mark]

30. ...and hold your breath and stomp your feet, but remember when the

republican nazis take over the country again, it will be your fault.


mark

[county worker]

31. How many times are you going to post this between now and November?

I don't give a shit what you do, just get out of the way and let us fight conservatism without you.

[LoZoccolo]

37. county worker you are a DU superstar and get the bro fist.

:fistbump:

We need more people encouraging us to carry on regardless of all the distractors.

[cliffordu]

32. Good. I think you should refrain from voting at all.

[NorthCarolina]

33. Make your mark in the primaries. Vote for any and all Liberal Progressive Dem candidates. eom

[Juche]

35. Why is it that important?

This bill expands medicaid, and maybe some of the energy that was lost with the public option will go to a medicare buy in.

Democrats will add millions to public plans with expansions to medicaid & SCHIP. If they get a medicare buy in it'll expand even more.

[MineralMan]

39. Well, that's a silly decision. But it's your decision.

Thanks so much for sharing...

[LostInAnomie]

41. Ugh! Ugh! UGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! Nope...

... I couldn't force myself to give a shit.

[treestar]

43. The Holy Grail

:rofl:

[TexasObserver]

44. "If I don't get what I want, I'm holding my breath!"

That will teach them.

I do understand your angst, and enjoy a good cup of hyperbole myself.

[pundaint]

50. No! If We don't get what we want we'll stop voting for what we don't want - get a grip

[philly_bob]

48. Please reconsider on election day, O (nt)