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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:18 PM
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DENNIS KUCINICH SUPPORT THREAD
And please share your thoughts.

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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:19 PM
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1. Really?
You couldn't just reply to one of the dozen or so already going?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:21 PM
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:21 PM
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3. the more the merrier, he surely deserves to see it
IMHO.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:30 PM
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13. Links please.
- So I can reply on them as well!!!!

Peace Nikki
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corporal waldo Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:19 AM
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130. the last honest man

DK is as honest as Paul Wellstone, John Lennon and MLK were.
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thediggity Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:29 PM
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191. go dennis GO!
Im sick of the corporate owned and subsidized democrats and republicans!
the only good guys seems to be are kucinich, ron paul, grayson, al franken and this anthony weiner(is that really how you spell his last name? lol). the Afghanistan and public option vote was a clear indicator of who truly on our side
GO DENNIS GO!!
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thediggity Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:30 PM
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192. go dennis GO!
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 12:31 PM by thediggity
ooooooooooopps! double post.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:21 PM
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4. i stand with DK. period.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:29 PM
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44. Me too. K & R
:patriot:
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:22 PM
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5. K%R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:22 PM
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6. I love the way Dennis has been isolated in DU discourse
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 04:22 PM by EFerrari
when so many people are saying the same thing.

Dennis is the new Hugo!

:rofl:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:23 PM
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7. K&R
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:27 PM
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8. I wish there were hundreds of Congresscritters like Dennis
Then we'd stop wasting money on military boondoggles and have more left over for catching up to the rest of the world in social conditions and applications of technology.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:30 PM
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11. if there were 100's like Dennis we'd have a democracy that works
Not one that goes to the highest bidder.
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:12 AM
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157. Amen!! K&R n/t
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:00 PM
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100. +1
Cut the Pentagon, JSOC and war budgets by two-thirds!

Use the money to pay for singlepayer healthcare, education, and other worthy causes!

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:29 PM
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9. I Stand With The Kooch!!!
- K&R
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:29 PM
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10. Here
I support Dennis. I donate to his campaign. He is a great representative and patriot.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:30 PM
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12. K&R
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:32 PM
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14. DK is part of the discourse, which would be significantly different if he weren't around.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:33 PM
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15. I don't care for this witch hunt.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 04:33 PM by Cleita
I support Dennis as the only honest person in Washington who can't be bought and sold or cajoled into compromising his principles.
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:07 PM
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29. He's not the only one
But they are becoming rarer definitely. And if he's pushed out of the process that will make them even rarer.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:32 AM
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145. There are a few others
Sanders, Grayson...umm, help me out here.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:34 PM
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16. K&R
For those that understand, no explanation is necessary.
For those that don't, no explanation is possible.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:03 PM
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102. +1
You put it SO well.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:21 AM
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154. that's the best response yet...
and a simple K&R here.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:23 PM
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214. I'd like to adopt those lines! :) n/t
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:35 PM
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17. I love DK and his stance on most things political!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:55 PM
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98. as Mayor of Cleveland, he refused to privatize publicly owned electric utility
and then the Cleveland mafia put out a hit on Kucinich.

In 1998 the council honored him for having the "courage and foresight" to stand up to the banks and saving the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich#Early_career
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:36 PM
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:39 PM
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19. kick
:bounce:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:46 PM
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20. Go DK! k&r! nt
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:47 PM
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21. He's got my back..I got his. Let the haters hate
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:51 PM
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22. on this specific vote, I disagree with him. But over all he is a great voice for real change and a
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 05:06 PM by Douglas Carpenter
voice for the voiceless - God Bless him!

It is the Democratic Congressional Caucus which is ineffectual - Not Representative Kucinich

The Democratic Congressional Caucus is going to have to decide if their role is to represent the interest of the somewhat socially liberal banker, stock broker or real estate speculator or is it their role to represent the interest of the vast majority of ordinary working Americans.

What makes Mr. Kucinich special is that he is one of only a handful of Democratic members of Congress who on almost every issue takes a strong progressive stand - and though, I personally think he is making a mistake by not following Bernie Sander's example of voting for the current health care bill while continuing to work for the goal of single-payer - the fact remains Representative Kucinich on an issue by issue level is far more in tune with advancing the kind of progressive agenda that the vast majority of mainstream Democrats actually would want to support - but is usually kept off the table by the power of special interest.

The fact that single-payer is not even permitted to be placed on the table when the vast majority of Americans support Medicare for all or some form of single-payer - it is a sad statement about the current realities of American democracy. The fact that EVEN a public option that is supported by the overwhelming majority of Americans, - even with a Democratic President who campaigned on that issue and won - EVEN with the largest Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress in decades - but still it is not going to happen. Now this is truly a sad statement about the realities of American democracy.

When an overwhelming majority of the American people want a public option, when the Democrats campaigned on a public option and won. When the Democrats hold the largest majorities in both houses of Congress in decades. Yet there is no chance that a public options is going to happen - if that doesn't make the Democrats in Congress look ineffectual - I don't know what it could possibly take. They are truly shooting themselves in their own foot by thwarting the will of the American people and reneging on the promises that they ran on and won on.

It seems to me that the U.S. Congress needs a lot more voices of genuine progressive dissent and at least a few voices who will say out loud what a significant portion of the population is thinking. Someone like Dennis Kucinich at least keeps the cause of real change and significant change alive.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:31 PM
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46. thanks Douglas. I really appreciate Kucinich
even if or when there are instances I agree or disagree with him.

He is necessary voice. And we attack our most progressive voices at our own peril.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:13 PM
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54. Well said.
"The fact that single-payer is not even permitted to be placed on the table when the vast majority of Americans support Medicare for all or some form of single-payer - it is a sad statement about the current realities of American democracy."

It is glaring evidence of corruption of the people's will to govern themselves.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:52 PM
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23. K&R!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:53 PM
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:54 PM
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25. Fight the Uniparty Dennis
:patriot:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:01 PM
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26. K&R. Dennis has been my candidate since 2003
When he spoke out against the invasion of Iraq and was called "unpatriotic" for his efforts. He refuses to compromise his principles for political gain. I stand with Dennis. :patriot:

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:02 PM
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27. Loving DK!!! nt
:patriot: :thumbsup:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:07 PM
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28. I Support the Man that Fights for Us!
and not the elite suck-ups that try to detract from him. They love servitude, especially when it suits their economic/political agenda.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:11 PM
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30. I trust Dennis
to do what he thinks is right. I believe that is what he has always done, and always will do.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:28 PM
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31. I Support Kucinich
Kucinich and those like him are the only real democrats left in Congress

The rest are just corporate whores posing as democrats. Sold out to the corporate machine.

It's funny to see the shills come on here and defend them. DLC corp-a-dems, of by and for the corporations.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:30 PM
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32. Without Dennis,
who would be carrying these "Old Style" Democrtatic Values to the front?


*Single Payer Universal HealthCare is not only possible, but cheaper.

*that "For Profit" HealthCare is obscene

*that Mandatory Health Insurance is NOT REALLY Universal HealthCare

*that the Democratic Party and American taxpayers should NOT be forced to subsidize some of the richest CEOs in history by subsidizing the HealthCare Insurance Corps and HMOs.

*that the USA SHOULD give the Imperial Palace (Green Zone) back to the Iraqis, close the permanent bases, expel all Corporate Consultants, withdraw ALL US Troops, and begin paying reparations NOW.

*that redeploying some troops at some future date is a PRO-WAR position.

*that the "Oil Law Benchmark" supported by the Democratic Party is a War Crime

*That we can have election accountability with "Paper Ballots publicly hand counted at the precinct".

*that we CAN cut $Hundreds of Billions$ from the Defense Budget

*that the RICHEST Corporations in history do NOT need $Billions$ in welfare subsidies

*that NAFTA (Free Trade) has not been a good thing for Americans who have to work for a living

*that Prosecuting War Criminals and Torturers is not optional, our reps are SWORN to protect The Constitution

*that the USA should join the rest of the civilized World in banning Land Mines

*that the USA should join the rest of the civilized World in the International Criminal Court.

Who else in the "Democratic" Party still STANDS for these truths?:shrug:
If Dennis Kucinich is no longer welcome in the "Centrist" Democratic Party,
then neither am I!
Fuck a Bunch of "Triangulating Centrist New Democrats."
"I welcome their hatred." (FDR)
I'm an "Old Style FDR REAL Democrat"...and PROUD of IT!

”Unlike the other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”
---Dennis Kucinich



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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:26 PM
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96. What he said ^^ n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:29 AM
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166. + 1
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:45 PM
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33. I support Dennis 100% !!!!!!! and people need to know this info!!!!!!!!!
James Roosevelt, who was chair of the Rules and Bylaws Committee that decided to dock Michigan and Florida half of their
delegates and award 4 of the delegates Clinton won in Michigan to Obama, as well as all of the uncommitted delegates,
is the CEO of a health insurance company – Tufts Healthcare. Okay? Got that? The guy who made sure that Obama had the necessary
to delegates to win the nomination – even to the point of assigning delegates another candidate won to him arbitrarily –
is the CEO of a health insurance firm.
And what Roosevelt wants in a health insurance reform, is a reform that relies entirely upon private insurers.
He does not want a public option. He wants a plan like Massachusetts has

: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/04/09/healthcare_lets_build_on_what_we_know/

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do some googling..you will find lots on James Roosevelt, Jr. and the DNC Ways and Means committee on the delegate decisions in Michigan and Florida..
http://search.aol.com/aol/search?q=James+Roosevelt%2C+who+was+chair+of+the+Rules+and+Bylaws+Committee+that+decided+to+dock+Michigan+and+Florida+half+of+their+delegates+and+award+4+of+the+delegates+Clinton+won+in+Michigan+to+Obama&page=2&nt=SG2&oreq=66ea2dd1351a45ce9c7de9133d8c39d8&s_it=keyword_rollover

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http://www.tuftshealthplan.com/visitors/visitors.php?sec=about_us&content=senior_management_group

Senior Management Group
Our mission is to set the standard for outstanding quality health care, service, and value. Our dedication to excellence makes us one of the leading health plans in the nation. Meet our senior management group.

James Roosevelt, Jr., President and Chief Executive Officer


es Roosevelt, Jr.
President and Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Roosevelt joined Tufts Health Plan in 1999 as senior vice president and general counsel and held that position until June 2005, when he became president and chief executive officer. As the general counsel, he presided over the legal department and the company's compliance, privacy and government relations functions.

Before joining Tufts Health Plan, Mr. Roosevelt was the associate commissioner for Retirement Policy for the Social Security Administration in Washington, D.C. He has also served as chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party and as co-chair of the Rules and By-laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee, for which he currently serves on the Change Commission. Mr. Roosevelt spent 10 years as partner at Choate, Hall and Stewart in Boston. He is past chairman of the board of trustees for the Massachusetts Hospital Association, past president of the American Health Lawyers Association and past chairman of the board of trustees for Mount Auburn Hospital. Currently, Mr. Roosevelt serves as chairman of the board of directors for Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, and as a member of the board of directors and co-chair of the policy committee at America’s Health Insurance Plans. He is a member of the Massachusetts Heath Care Quality and Cost Council and the board of directors for the Rhode Island Quality Institute. Mr. Roosevelt is also a board member at Emmanuel College and the Kenneth B. Schwartz Center, and is co-chair of the board of directors for the Tufts Health Care Institute. In November 2008, President-elect Barack Obama appointed Mr. Roosevelt to his transition team to co-chair a review of the Social Security Administration.


Mr. Roosevelt received his J.D. from Harvard Law School and his A.B. with honors in government from Harvard College. He has also completed the Advanced Management Program at Harvard Business School.

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03.aspx

The DNC weighs in on Michigan

Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:40 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Democrats

From NBC's Mark Murray

DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee co-chairs Alexis Herman and James Roosevelt issued the following memo to members of the committee:

"We have recently been asked whether the legislation as proposed by Michigan would fit within the framework of the National Party’s Delegate Selection Rules. Our review of this legislation indicates that it would, in fact, fit within the framework of the Rules if, it were, passed by the state legislature and used by the Michigan State Democratic Party as the basis of drafting a formal Delegate Selection Plan. If a formal Delegate Selection Plan is received we will convene a meeting of the RBC to consider such a Plan."
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:48 PM
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34. OHIO
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:49 PM
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35. k&r
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:50 PM
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36. These people who try to isolate Dennis for what progressives are also saying
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 06:14 PM by EFerrari
only out themselves.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:05 PM
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41. Yup.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:42 PM
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81. +1,000!!
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:56 PM
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37. Denis Kucinich has repeatedly earned my respect and support because he stands for WE THE PEOPLE
and not private, for profit, special interest.

He has done it time, and again, and is why the elite ALWAYS hate on him.

Their HATE reveals more about them, than it ever did on Mr. Kucinich.

Thank you Sir for your indefatigable efforts in your important mission of representing us and always BROADENING the critical debates of our time :toast:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:00 PM
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38. You know he's cutting close to the bone when you look at the attacks.
To the owners: 7
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:03 PM
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39. I'll have his back..
because he definitely has ours on this one.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:04 PM
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40. DK stands up for real American rights, not corporate BS,
and supports the US constitution and the rule of law unreservedly and without compromise.

He is about the last bulwark of people's rights and powers that stands against corporate-military control of our government, strangely enough, and needs more popular support to do the real work of congress.

It's no mystery that he is the target of corporate-media smears, what is mysterious is that so many otherwise law-abiding Americans fall for these personal assaults and so miss the real threats to the nation.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:06 PM
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42. One who works for us
:thumbsup:
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Hun Joro Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:28 PM
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43. I'm with Dennis. nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:29 PM
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45. K & R ...and screw the DLC and the freaking Dino asscarrots ...but I repeat myself.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 06:31 PM by L0oniX
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:45 PM
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47. Kooch colors outside the lines and the authorities try to start steppin' on that kind of
"troublemaker" in kindergarten. And, that's why we love him.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:50 PM
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48. count me in! I gladly donate to DK even though he is not my congressman.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:51 PM
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49. We're with Dennis!! (there are 4 of us) nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:52 PM
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50. k & r for the best Democrat standing, bar none. nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:52 PM
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51. He's what the rest should aspire to be more alike.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:58 PM
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52. It's possible to criticize and support all at the same time.
Too many on this site don't realize this to be true.

It's sad.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:05 PM
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53. A principled Democrat among sellouts. Dennis is for good government. Rec. nt
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:15 PM
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55. Kicking and reccing for him.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:28 PM
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56. What a novel idea. I don't think I've seen any threads supporting
Dennis Kucinich on DU before...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:19 PM
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74. I've seen a few, but not nearly enough.
K&R for one of the best Democrats in DC ~
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:21 PM
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93. They get pushed aside by Obama picture threads.
He's dreamy.:loveya:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:24 PM
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110. The Former Freep Contributor Is Upset
He can suck on it. Go Dennis!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:38 PM
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57. The Senate bill will give trillions to big insurance that they will use to crush the meager reforms
that are in the bill.

It is the NAFTA of now.

Another bailout to big insurance.

If we fail to pass this, big insurance will collapse under it's own weight. If we pas it, we will be bailing them out like AIG.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:28 PM
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78. That's not what Sen Saunders says. I go with Bernie. nm
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:26 AM
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123. I can't blame you, hope you're right, if it passes. nt
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:50 PM
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58. I disagree with him
All of the complaints he has are completely legitimate and I agree with him on those things, but at this point the bill has been set up to be so important to the democrat's agenda that I am worried about the repercussions politically if this bill were to not pass. I feel if this thing passes, Obama will be free to focus on other simpler things with less lobbyist influence.
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:29 PM
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66. Looks to me like, if this bill passes as is, THAT will damage the Democratic Party.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:23 PM
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76. This bill isn't about the party, it's about
the people.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:55 PM
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59. Imagine
Imagine Dennis as President.

So many dismiss the idea that it must be a good one. An excellent one. Why else do they work so hard to convince us otherwise.

Strength of character is defined by courage of action, and Dennis has that in spades. It is what he gets "pilloried" for.

He continues to live up to his statements in some of the most politically difficult ways.

The rest is just details, and noise, and BS.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:51 PM
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118. But, ....,but....he saw a UFO once.
What a crock of crap. No way would aliens ever want to visit this fucked up planet. In any case, Dennis would make a superb president.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:01 PM
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60. Dennis demonstrates what real strength of character, commitment and integrity looks like, acts like,
and feels like.  We could use more like him! 
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:25 PM
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64. Raising hand and echoing what earcandle said!!
Integrity!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:28 PM
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65. And he makes some other more popular elected dems look bad in comparison,
hence the escalation of attacks.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:47 PM
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70. +1
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:18 PM
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61. He proves that liberals are smart and sexy.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:23 PM
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62. An anti-war, progressive, politician, not owned by the lobbyists? Tsk. Tsk. How unrealistic! K&R
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:24 PM
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63. The only arguments against Kucinich are weary old DLC lies.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:32 PM
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67. No one in gov't
speaks the Truth like Dennis.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:35 PM
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68. He wants fairness. Is that asking for too much? The more we give in the closer we get to slavery. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:43 PM
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69. knr - Video... Universal health care
Dennis Kucinich: Health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OUyZesqRg
2:34 minutes



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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:00 PM
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71. Go, Dennis
With you all the way
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jazzwinders Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:04 PM
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72. I support Dennis
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Gamey Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:07 PM
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73. More support for DK from here, not derision
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:22 PM
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75. I'm In
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:27 PM
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77. Kucinich is ahead of his time. This country is too backward
to appreciate a politician like Kucinich for now. When you consider that our president cannot support gay marriage eg, and that it was only a few decades ago that he, the president himself, would have had to ride in the back of a bus, our progress has been very slow.

The country will have to evolve out of the stagnant, regressive state it is in before a man like Kucinich can be appreciated.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:59 AM
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168. + infinity
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:31 PM
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79. K&R
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:38 PM
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80. I *always* support Dennis!
Even when I don't know what the exact subject or issue is, like now, I always know he's on the right side. The world would be better off with Dennis as president of the US.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:45 PM
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82. my thoughts are that these kinds of threads are pointless.
This does not help discussion. I am also disturbed by the use of the words "support" and "supporter" in the political realm over the last 4 years or so. I agree with congressman Kucinich about many things, but I have never supported him in any way. In 2004 I didn't vote for him in the primary, in 2008 I felt that voting in the sham Michigan primary was waste of time (it was a sham, and it was a waste to those who took part in it), and I have never given - and never will give - any politician any money. So, what kind of support could I give Kucinich? What does "support" even mean anymore? It seems to be largely divisive.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:46 PM
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83. 103 Recs for Dennis by 103 DU'ers. Not 103 Anti-Dennis threads by 5 DU'ers.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 09:47 PM by David Zephyr
This is what I want all DU'ers to see. The vicious anti-Dennis crowd here could fit into a thimble. They post and kick up each others posts and it "looks" like they are a majority. But the are not. They are a very, tiny minority and their attacks on Dennis Kucinich have backfired.

Now we know. Dennis is loved at the DU. And this Insurance Bill, which is posing as a health care bill, is held in low esteem here, too.

Thank you WillYourVoteBCounted for another revealing poll about our DU community.

Here's to Dennis!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:32 PM
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115. thanks David, its all about
being a thermostat, not a thermometer.

Someone just has to put it out there, sometimes we have to speak up and stop the circular firing
squad that DEMS resort to sometimes.

Dennis, whether you agree on everything he says or not - is a really good DEM.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:25 AM
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133. ++ ten grand
Dennis has integrity. Few in politics have this attribute and Dennis needs to be applauded for it, not vilified.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:46 AM
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135. There are only about half a dozen of them.
The majority of honest people support Kucinich's position on this travesty of a bill.

I just read how many millions have been spent to prevent a Public Option from getting into the bill.

It is obscene and a real tragedy that we the people really have no say in anything anymore.

Shame on those Democrats who KNOW Dennis is right but are too cowardly to take a stand with him.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:52 PM
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84. He's got my 100% support.
K&R
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:05 PM
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85. One of the few true Liberals in the Congress.
Death to Corporate rule!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:06 PM
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86. K&R
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:07 PM
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87. Thank you for this thread. Dennis is a national treasure and he is one of the very few honest...
politicians who cannot be bought.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:08 PM
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88. He speaks for truth and for true American aspiration
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:14 PM
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89. I stand with DK
and applaud him for exposing DLC: "The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda,"
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:18 PM
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90. Kucinich votes with Republicans
why the hell should I support him?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:19 PM
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92. You obviously don't know anything about him or you wouldn't show your ignorance the way you just did
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:05 AM
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155. You obviously don't know is voting record and
you don't know he intends to vote with the Republicans on HCR.

Here, this will educate you: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/stats-say-kucinich-may-be-least.html
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:18 AM
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176. Don't insult our intelligence. Of course we know his voting record and we don't need to be educated.
by you. Dennis will vote against this so-called HCR bill because it is not bona fide reform that will help the American people. Instead it is a sweetheart deal for the drug and insurance companies.

At the same time, the Republicans are voting against this bill because they will always oppose anything Obama. So Dennis and the GOP are voting against the bill for different reasons. That doesn't mean Dennis is "voting with the Republicans." Just because the GOP votes against it that doesn't obligate Dennis to vote for it if he feels it's a bad bill, which it is.

And by the way, since you are talking about voting records, any Democrat in Congress has voted with the GOP on occasion for whatever reason. That's just how the legislative process works.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:21 PM
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219. Kucinich must be getting money from the health care industry now
maybe he moved into that house in DC with the fundies. Is he suddenly also anti-choice and he's masking his vote as a so-called "progressive"? I want to see his campaign financials. Is he getting some of that Citizens United corporate money from Humana or United Health Care, or Blue Cross?

Dennis "Humana" Kucinich.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:04 PM
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103. and this guy worked with Obama, in fact got him elected..by stealing votes in 2 states!

James Roosevelt, who was chair of the Rules and Bylaws Committee that decided to dock Michigan and Florida half of their
delegates and award 4 of the delegates Clinton won in Michigan to Obama, as well as all of the uncommitted delegates,
is the CEO of a health insurance company – Tufts Healthcare. Okay? Got that? The guy who made sure that Obama had the necessary
to delegates to win the nomination – even to the point of assigning delegates another candidate won to him arbitrarily –
is the CEO of a health insurance firm.
And what Roosevelt wants in a health insurance reform, is a reform that relies entirely upon private insurers.
He does not want a public option. He wants a plan like Massachusetts has

: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/04/09/healthcare_lets_build_on_what_we_know/

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do some googling..you will find lots on James Roosevelt, Jr. and the DNC Ways and Means committee on the delegate decisions in Michigan and Florida..
http://search.aol.com/aol/search?q=James+Roosevelt%2C+who+was+chair+of+the+Rules+and+Bylaws+Committee+that+decided+to+dock+Michigan+and+Florida+half+of+their+delegates+and+award+4+of+the+delegates+Clinton+won+in+Michigan+to+Obama&page=2&nt=SG2&oreq=66ea2dd1351a45ce9c7de9133d8c39d8&s_it=keyword_rollover

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http://www.tuftshealthplan.com/visitors/visitors.php?sec=about_us&content=senior_management_group

Senior Management Group
Our mission is to set the standard for outstanding quality health care, service, and value. Our dedication to excellence makes us one of the leading health plans in the nation. Meet our senior management group.

James Roosevelt, Jr., President and Chief Executive Officer


es Roosevelt, Jr.
President and Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Roosevelt joined Tufts Health Plan in 1999 as senior vice president and general counsel and held that position until June 2005, when he became president and chief executive officer. As the general counsel, he presided over the legal department and the company's compliance, privacy and government relations functions.

Before joining Tufts Health Plan, Mr. Roosevelt was the associate commissioner for Retirement Policy for the Social Security Administration in Washington, D.C. He has also served as chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party and as co-chair of the Rules and By-laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee, for which he currently serves on the Change Commission. Mr. Roosevelt spent 10 years as partner at Choate, Hall and Stewart in Boston. He is past chairman of the board of trustees for the Massachusetts Hospital Association, past president of the American Health Lawyers Association and past chairman of the board of trustees for Mount Auburn Hospital. Currently, Mr. Roosevelt serves as chairman of the board of directors for Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, and as a member of the board of directors and co-chair of the policy committee at America’s Health Insurance Plans. He is a member of the Massachusetts Heath Care Quality and Cost Council and the board of directors for the Rhode Island Quality Institute. Mr. Roosevelt is also a board member at Emmanuel College and the Kenneth B. Schwartz Center, and is co-chair of the board of directors for the Tufts Health Care Institute. In November 2008, President-elect Barack Obama appointed Mr. Roosevelt to his transition team to co-chair a review of the Social Security Administration.


Mr. Roosevelt received his J.D. from Harvard Law School and his A.B. with honors in government from Harvard College. He has also completed the Advanced Management Program at Harvard Business School.

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03.aspx

The DNC weighs in on Michigan

Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:40 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Democrats

From NBC's Mark Murray

DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee co-chairs Alexis Herman and James Roosevelt issued the following memo to members of the committee:

"We have recently been asked whether the legislation as proposed by Michigan would fit within the framework of the National Party’s Delegate Selection Rules. Our review of this legislation indicates that it would, in fact, fit within the framework of the Rules if, it were, passed by the state legislature and used by the Michigan State Democratic Party as the basis of drafting a formal Delegate Selection Plan. If a formal Delegate Selection Plan is received we will convene a meeting of the RBC to consider such a Plan."
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:11 AM
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156. LOL!!!!! Obama breaks the rules and it's the health insurance lobby's fault he got penalized!!!
THIS is a DUzy!! Good one!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:18 PM
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91. Two Posts about the Remarkable DK and his achievements..
Hat Tip to Firedoglake Commenters re Kucinich:

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In response to PJEvans @ 56

Nate Silver doesn’t think much of Kucinich, either: he really doesn’t seem to have done much in the time that he’s been in Congress.

non-specific criticisms from a detailed numbers guys. swell. if nate has a real case, then imo he needs to make it with some real evidence.

kucinich is a pol who actually stood up to the banksters (i was in cleveland at the time). wish we had more of them right now. from wikipedia:

Kucinich was elected Mayor of Cleveland in 1977 and served in that position until 1979.<15> At thirty-one years of age, he was the youngest mayor of a major city in the United States,<5> earning him the nickname “the boy mayor of Cleveland”.<16> Kucinich’s tenure as mayor is often regarded as one of the most tumultuous in Cleveland’s history.<16><17> After Kucinich refused to sell Muni Light, Cleveland’s publicly owned electric utility, the Cleveland mafia put out a hit on Kucinich. A hit man from Maryland planned to shoot him in the head during the Columbus Day Parade, but the plot fell apart when Kucinich was hospitalized and missed the event. When the city fell into default shortly thereafter, the mafia leaders called off the contract killer.<18>

In the book Best and Worst of the Big-City Leaders, 1820–1993, Melvin G. Holli, in consultation with a panel of selected experts, claimed Kucinich to be among the ten worst big-city mayors of all time. Kucinich’s supporters argue that Kucinich kept his campaign promise of refusing to sell Muni Light to CEI and was brave in not giving in to big business. Specifically, it was the Cleveland Trust Company that suddenly required all of the city’s debts be paid in full, which forced the city into default, after news of Kucinich’s refusal to sell the city utility. For years, these debts were routinely rolled over, pending future payment, until Kucinich’s announcement was made public. In 1998 the council honored him for having the “courage and foresight” to stand up to the banks and saving the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995.<19>


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jawbone March 14th, 2010 at 11:59 am
150
In response to selise @ 28

A two-fer: Threat to a principled Dem (of the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party, as Paul Wellstone used to say) gives pause to other liberals and progressives and it moves the Overton Window ever rightward.

Now, this would seem to be a Repub type move, but perhaps a Dem who channels St. Ronnie finds it appropriate as well.

Avedon ended one of her posts commenting on why the Obama health insurance BAILOUT is NOT a “huge progressive victory” (from Seth Ackerman at Tiny Revolution) this way:

Barack Obama, slamming the Overton Window shut, right down on your broken fingers.

I added:

And broken dreams, broken hopes.


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earlofhuntingdon March 14th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
152
In response to selise @ 146
powwow March 14th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
159
In response to digifyouwill @ 7



This, from the Cleveland Plain Dealer article @ 28 that selise tracked down, underlines something for me that I think the opponents of the public option-free Senate health care bill may be missing, and ought to work to formulate, as part of a renewed campaign to pressure Congress:

“This bill represents a giveaway to the insurance industry, $70 billion a year, and no guarantees of any control over premiums, forcing people to buy private insurance, five consecutive years of double-digit premium increases,” told host Lawrence O’Donnell. “I’m sorry. I just don’t see that this bill is a solution.”

In short, Dennis Kucinich should not now be left out there almost on his own to explain the Senate bill’s flaws, in an effort to justify his opposition to it, while the pressure on him to shut up is at its most intense, however much those flaws may have been discussed and carefully dissected here and elsewhere before this week.

That is, I think that what’s needed now is a concise, but substantively detailed, Fact Sheet, contrasting side by side the most widespread claims of the bill’s proponents (such as those voiced by digifyouwill @ 7) with the bill’s actual language and expert analysis proving those claims to be false (such as that summarized by the responses of duncan, BooRadley and PhoenixWoman). All in a printable, easily-grasped format, for future reference. <"Talking points" in a way, that is, except points that let the evidence do most of the talking. Perhaps modeled on the excellent, large New York Times anti-FISA Amendments Act ad that Jane and Glenn and others put together.>

Those blogwriters opposing this bill’s passage can also then immediately point to and stand on a list of substantive reasons for their opposition, which expose the claims of the proponents as pie-in-the-sky, as those proponents resort only to namecalling and taunts in response.

Those who have long tracked the pros and cons of the debate have managed to pick up over the months a few key points about the major provisions of the Senate bill to enable them to make their own judgements, but at this time a clear pro/con summary is needed for those who haven’t been able to so closely track the debate, and who are thus now wide open and vulnerable to the propaganda of the Party (and the media) about its legislation.

Such a clear explanation would also help expose the forthcoming lies or mischaracterizations of Members of Congress about the bill and their vote(s) for it while, perhaps most importantly, supporting Dennis Kucinich, and any colleagues who join him, in his lonely public effort to exercise his own independent best judgement as a Member of Congress about what will most benefit, or hurt, his constituents and the nation as a whole. Supporting, in other words, those in Congress actually doing their duty as self-governing federal representatives and legislators, in the teeth of public and private pressures to silently conform to the will of others – pressures that implicitly or explicitly threaten uninformed and misleading public ridicule like that which Kos so shamefully doled out to Kucinich on behalf of the corrupt status quo the other day.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:18 PM
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217. +1
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:24 PM
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94. K&R. nt
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:25 PM
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95. thank YOU, DK!!!
the voice of Reason, Wisdom, PEACE & JUSTICE.
Stay Strong!
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:41 PM
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97. Thank You Counted. K&R
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 10:42 PM by SlingBlade
Let the spit drippers whine, This thread was way over due.


And a hearty Fuck You to Rahm and Company !



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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:05 PM
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104. +1
Eff you, Rahmbo!
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:00 PM
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99. So many great reply's. Thank you DK !!!!! N/T
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:01 PM
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101. K&R
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:06 PM
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105. DK's never waivered.... neither will I eom
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:06 PM
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106. another kick
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:07 PM
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107. I'm here. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:08 PM
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108. I'm no DK fan, but I'll kick anyway to piss off the DLCers.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:17 PM
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109. Geaux Dennis!!!
:patriot:
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jonathon Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:28 PM
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111. Kucinich is standing by the principles that many on DU give lip service

But, don't support in practice.

If we are EVER going to change anything, we have to stand up and fight for it. Why do you think the democrats utterly ignore the progressives and the left?

If our support is unconditional because there is a D at the end of the political name, we might as just pack it in right now.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:30 PM
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112. Dennis's heart is always in the right place, even..
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 11:30 PM by mvd
when I differ on whether to vote for a bill or not. I too don't think this bill is near what we should have gotten with our party in control. He's one of my favorite Democrats. :patriot:
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xocet Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:31 PM
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113. I support Rep. Kucinich. n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:31 PM
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114. The scale of the disinformation information campaign gives me hope.
He must have touched an especially sensitive nerve to spark this response. Whenever the corporatists are upset I know something good is happening.
:D
:kick: & R


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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:43 PM
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117. +1
Each time I see their reactions in a DK thread, I'm reminded of the scenes in vampire movies where a cross is held up in front of the vampire's face.
:rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:15 AM
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120. ROTFLMAO!
:rofl:

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:47 PM
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222. ...
:spray:

So true!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:23 AM
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132. That's interesting. Yeah, maybe because he keeps reminding us
that the public good actually exists. Sort of like a friend who reminds you that spousal abuse is not a normal part of a marriage.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:17 AM
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153. Amen to that.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:33 PM
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116. Keep the pressure on, Dennis. We still need a Public Option. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:54 PM
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119. I love when Dennis gets out his little book on the constitution. I love when
he stands up for health care that is affordable for all Americans, and I love that he is trying to bring an end to this war. He is doing the things most Americans want, and that is why he gets my support.
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dlfuller Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:19 AM
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121. I will allways stand with Dennis
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:22 AM
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122. K&R! He's a great congressman!
One of the few who will stand up for what he believes in. :thumbsup:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:33 AM
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124. .
:thumbsup:
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:38 AM
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125. The man has the courage to stick to his principles....
he is one of the very few who walks his talk and doesn't back down.

I worked on his campaign back in '03/04 and actually got to meet him a few times. I learned he is very focused and doesn't give up or give in just because others think he should. He obviously can put some people off by his tenaciousness but I appreciate that he sticks to his principles & ideals even if the odds are against him. He sees the long view IMO and keeps working towards that goal. Nothing gets done without someone having the guts to take a stand...and for progressives/liberals...that someone is Dennis Kucinich.

The fact he evokes strong likes or dislikes isn't really surprising.Its not (or shouldn't be) about personality...it's about standing up for what is right and working towards that goal. I admire him for that....I'd have given up loooong looong ago.


Thanks for this thread...nice to see so many "familiar faces". :hi: :)


DR

GO DENNIS and THANK YOU!!
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:39 AM
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126. K&R.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:56 AM
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127. I stand with DK
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:56 AM
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128. For squirming DLCers everywhere
:kick:
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:17 AM
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129. ibid. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:22 AM
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131. I stand with Dennis. n/t
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:37 AM
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134. Absolutely. Thank you, Dennis! n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:45 AM
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136. Dennis knows what I want,
and he knows what I don't want.

I don't want a subsidy for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. I especially don't want a subsidy for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries without a government health care option, like a Medicare for all option.

Apparently Dennis speaks for me. The other Democrats, including Obama? Not so much.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:13 AM
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138. He speaks for me too.
Sorry I did not support him for president. He was my first choice, but I knew they would not let him win and we had to get rid of the Republicans, plus I thought Obama was a real Democrat.

I think we had to go through all those struggles politically before learning that you should always vote your conscience. If we all did that, people like Kucinich would have a chance. Next time I will.

:kick: for a great Democrat!
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:06 AM
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137. But he's a vegan.
Thus not the predatory type.

How unnatural!

:sarcasm:
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:27 AM
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139. I wish all Democrats were like him n/t
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:30 AM
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140. K & R
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:57 AM
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141. Kucinich is being impractical and irresponsible. Primary him !
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:07 AM
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142. Dennis Kucinich stands for We the People...
..the current President should follow his lead.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:15 AM
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143. K&R
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:16 AM
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144. Rahm Emanuel wants to purge the Democrats of any progressives
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 06:17 AM by lib2DaBone
... Rahm wants war monger, pro-Wall Street. Rahm has even stated his contempt for Obama.

Hillary should be cautious.. Rahm does not like her either.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:34 AM
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146. I love Dennis Kucinich. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:59 AM
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147. I'm in as always. Dennis Kucinich is that rare find of a Democrat.
He is still a real one.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:59 AM
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148. Of course (n/t)
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:13 AM
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149. +1 recommendation - n/t
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austin78704 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:13 AM
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150. Dennis is fearless
As all congresspeople should be.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:15 AM
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151. Principles Matter
I should hold on to my own next election.
Thanks DK!
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:15 AM
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152. Principles Matter
I should hold on to my own next election.
Thanks DK!
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:14 AM
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158. Wish we had 434 more DKs
K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:16 AM
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159. k/r for Kooch
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:33 AM
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160. K & R. I support Dennis' sincere and progressive efforts.
And I am sick of all the bashing too.

Can we move on now, to actual issues?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:47 AM
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161. Of course we need more like DK
and less like we currently have..
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:58 AM
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162. K&R for Dennis n/t
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:59 AM
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163. DK works for WE THE PEOPLE, not them, the corporations
More than I can say for a LOT of congress critters, and the President as well.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:12 AM
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164. K&R for America's Congressman. nt
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:17 AM
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165. I'm with him, too!!! n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:32 AM
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167. Compare the recommendations w this vs the anti-threads. Folks her are sick of DLC crap!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:05 AM
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169. Yes, the DLCers have overestimated themselves
The other day I counted EIGHT anti-Kucinich threads on the front page of GDP. EIGHT.

Did they ever attack Lieberman or Baucus this way? No.

My guess is that most of them were or would have been Republicans in the past but left when the Republicans got too crazy.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:10 AM
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174. good point
All the attempts at diverting attention from DLC DEMs ineffectiver/anti citizen/pro gop & corporate authored legislation seem to be failing.

People are tired of lip service instead of regulation of whole industries which are destroying our economy and our futures. People are tired of pass/interception/pass/interception while pretending the struggle is too close and the votes aren't there excuses for not getting done what THE PEOPLE want done.

Sorta hard to reconcile holding both houses of Congress and the WH with not getting done what the PEOPLE want done. No defense for the cave in to GOP values and corporate authored legislation, corporate insistence on only lip service regulation. So, they gotta point and say: 'Look over there! A skinny geeky guy who just doesn't act like the rest of us'

They can point and laugh all they want; the diversion isn't giving cover to the fact that the rest of the pols are also not getting things accomplished. And DK gets to end each day with a beautiful mate who seems to adore him, and a clearer conscience than most.

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:39 AM
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170. If I were one of his constituents, I would not thank him for voting with insurance companies.
Why would I want to thank him for a "no" vote which ensures that insurance companies would be able to keep doing just what they're doing now and even worse. Or why would I want to thank him for making sure practices continue where I can be dropped from coverage, denied coverage, charged abusive premiums, etc? What if I had a sick kid that I couldn't find insurance for because none would take them due to their "pre-existing condition."

I also wouldn't thank him for the details he leaves out when he's justifying his "no" vote - for instance, Kucinich has been invoking the name of "the father of the public option" lately (Jacob Hacker), but he fails to add that Hacker said it is wrong for progressives to be against the Senate bill, even without the public option, that the public option was conceived as a means to an end and that the correct critique to the problem of the public option being excluded from the bill was to essentially make coverage more attractive by offering higher subsidies towards the cost of premiums, and to strengthen regulation of insurance companies, both of which have been put forward in the "President's Proposal" along with Hacker's other proposals.

How a vote for the insurance companies adds up to "the only true liberal/progressive/Democrat," I sure don't know.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:57 AM
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171. Nice try but folks here are well informed. Perhaps you would like to be as well:
A PETITION ESTABLISHING
HEALTH CARE AS A CIVIL RIGHT

Whereas, Universal Health Care was proposed by President Teddy Roosevelt in 1912; and

Whereas today, nearly 100 years later, 47 million Americans are uninsured and another 50 million are underinsured bringing great social and economic harm to the American family; and

Whereas, HR 676, authored by Congressmen John Conyers and Dennis Kucinich provides for Medicare for All, a universal, single payer, not-for-profit health care system which means the end of premiums, copays and deductibles; and

Whereas we are already paying for a universal standard of care but are not getting it because one of every three dollars in the health care system goes to the activities of the for-profit insurance system; and

Whereas HR676 firmly establishes health care as a Civil Right, consistent with the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States and Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution which defines a purpose of government "to promote the General Welfare," now therefore,

I HEREBY EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR HR676, SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE, AND THE PRINCIPLES OF ECONOMIC JUSTICE FOR WHICH IT STANDS:

http://healthcare.kucinich.us/petition/
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:02 AM
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173. ? What does that have to do with my points?
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 11:04 AM by quiet.american
Reading a petition has nothing to do with being well-informed.

Edited to add:

As far as "folks here," I've been around DU just as long as you have, and even a little longer.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:21 AM
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177. The link lead to his site, where you could see where he stood on this issue.
I don't believe the insurance companies are for universal HC, as is Dennis Kucinich, so either you are not well informed as to why he votes the way he does or you are not honestly representing his vote. My guess is you know that he is NOT voting w the insurance companies but deep down you wanted to kick this thread for more attention to DU's support of DK.

;) :hi:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:33 AM
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180. I'm well versed on where Kucinich stands, and also on what a "no" vote means in the real world.
Nonwithstanding his well-crafted justifications, the only people that win should a "no" vote prevail are the insurance companies.

If Kucinich is really for universal healthcare, why is he voting against his own idea, which did not make it through the House, but which is included in the Senate bill (through Bernie Sanders' efforts) of permitting states the right to pursue single-payer?

And why is he voting against the creation of thousands of local community health centers, which Sanders cited as a way to, in his own words, "revolutionize healthcare."

Regardless of why Kucinich insists he's voting "no," the consequence of his "no," were it to prevail, would benefit no one except insurance companies, who would continue to be free to do exactly as they please for some time to come with only maybe one or two minor reforms that might make it through a vote, if that.

Kucinich does not represent a wealthy constituency - the median income in his district is just over $41,800. HCR contains Medicaid funding and other subsidies for the people in his state, aside from the insurance aspects. Yet, he's saying "no."

If I lived in that district, I wouldn't be thanking him for it. Not one bit.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:59 AM
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184. On the other hand, I'm not sure this bill will be improved
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 12:01 PM by mvd
And as a DUer said to me, community health centers can be expanded without this bill. In order for the good things in this bill to hold up, it MUST be improved. Or no real gain is made, IMO, because the insurance companies have power and are now ENTRENCHED. Dennis's line of reasoning is perfectly sound. If it was up to Dennis, we'd start over again with single-payer. Republicans wouldn't even do anything. I will not mind what Dennis is doing.

As to voting for this bill, I'm really torn - I will say yes but only because it has been so long and I think Repukes are more likely to win if we lose. Of course, the mandates might be so unpopular they hurt us in the fall. In politics, though, you have to weigh the consequences to find the least bad.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:13 PM
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188. The problem is, I doubt the actual votes would be there for a stand-alone bill on CHCs.

Regardless of his reasoning, like the Republicans, Dennis is calling for a start-over now that the moment is at hand. Even the "out" Socialist in the Senate understands that the consequences of holding one's breath for single-payer in lieu of passing the bill now does not benefit a single constituent.

My biggest problem with Kucinich is that he is going at this in a destructive, not constructive way. He and Bernie Sanders no doubt wanted the same things for the bill. But while Bernie got busy and figured out ways to significantly improve the bill, Dennis is preparing to vote in a way that would let the insurance companies continue their rate hikes and other abuses.

As for the requirement to purchase insurance, given that it doesn't start until 2013, yet in the meantime, the consumer protections and high-risk pool will have kicked in, my own feeling is, it may not be the best strategy for the GOP to run on "repealing" HCR. (Obviously, I'm hoping they do choose that strategy.)
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:16 PM
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189. I respect Sanders, but that doesn't mean that is the only way
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 12:20 PM by mvd
BTW, I see no improvements to the bill that matter, and neither do I trust our leadership to add any. If every progressive stood up like Dennis, maybe we would get a better bill. And the mandates will be an issue regardless. I support Dennis here. I think your goal is admirable, but we just disagree.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:28 PM
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190. The thing is, they could all "stand up like Dennis" and the votes still wouldn't be there.
I'm glad that Congressional progressives have figured out ways to put their imprints on the bill. If I were someone who could identify a benefit in this bill, such as keeping my kids on my insurance, or being able to go into the high-risk pool, or not being dropped from coverage, for the life of me, I wouldn't be able to figure out why I should be thanking Dennis for denying me that opportunity, and giving insurance companies a clear way to keep on with their abusive practices.

I realize those who support Kucinich feel that defeating HCR in the hopes of single-payer is worth whatever suffering may result from the status quo being maintained in the meantime.

But that's just not my view.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:30 PM
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193. And it's just not my view to bash him for it
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 12:31 PM by mvd
If it was every progressive, maybe the President would get the message that we want a public option now. I think it's such a lackluster bill that the world wouldn't end if it doesn't pass. But I respect your opinion.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:33 PM
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195. Alright. I can certainly go along with an agreement to disagree. :)
Cheers.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:37 PM
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198. Take care. Despite what I said..
I would be a yes vote, though I may hold out a bit for some assurances. Maybe Dennis would have greater impact if he had a "no, but I could be swayed if.." stance. :hi:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:41 PM
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200. Ah - got it. :)
:hi:
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:35 PM
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197. either way, the insurance companies win.
Although "status quo" is not what Kucinich is taking a stand for.

I'm behind Kucinich 100% - which is not to say without regret. People need healthcare MORE than they need insurance. It's a damn shame our party of "hope" president made universal healthcare a "nope" and universal insurance a mandate.

At this point, exercising one's principles won't hurt anything at all . . . we CAN do better.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:01 AM
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172. Blast from the Past:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:17 AM
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175. Just to mention - I am uninsured - I don't want to make Ins Cos stronger
and that is another reason I support Dennis.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:00 PM
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185. And I am in the individual market, and I REALLY don't like this bill
I fear that it will pass anyway, though, so I resent this attempt to force group-think on the Democrats, especially for such a deeply flawed bill.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:28 AM
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178. kick
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:30 AM
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179. k n r
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:36 AM
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181. Kucinich is running for president in 2012!
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:57 AM
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182. A man of integrity!
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DRex Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:58 AM
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183. K&R. Dennis for president.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:02 PM
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186. I'm with DK all the way. nt
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:08 PM
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187. I'd vote for the bill
even though I don't like it very much. I think it is a step forward, even without the PO and with those odious individual mandates.

Still, I don't care for people "going after" Kucinich. He often stands up when most back down.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:31 PM
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194. STICK TO YOUR GUNS. We need TRUE Progressives of Principle in power, not faux Dems. n/t
J
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:34 PM
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196. but i thought he wants to ban guns?
:hide:
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:39 PM
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199. I support Dennis
He's about the only one trying to do right by middle America
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:49 PM
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201. Go Go Dennis
Never give up, never give in.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:26 PM
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202. no.
A Democrat who votes against HCR is in the wrong party.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:25 PM
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220. You call this HCR?
Lol
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:43 PM
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221. Yes. So does the guy most of the people on this board helped nominate...
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 04:11 PM by Deep13
...and put in the WH.

So does Bernie Sanders, Sherrod Brown and John Kerry. So does Howard Dean. So lol yourself.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:28 PM
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203. Bless you, Dennis Kucinich.
Principled and courageous....
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:29 PM
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204. Count Me In, 100%! (nt)
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:32 PM
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205. I'M THROUGH WITH DENNIS!
I supported Kucinich in 2004 . . . But his total lack of pragmatism destroys him with me now. I wish him luck as a Congressman and progressive. But if he ends up preventing HCR from being enacted he'll be a villain1
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:06 PM
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208. _
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:35 PM
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206. Thanks Dennis! :)
but sadly, the media and the political hatchetmen have sidelined you.

Keep fighting the good fight. :)
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:05 PM
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207. Your my Man!!
Go Dennis Go!
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:07 PM
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209. Stand in there, Dennis!
k&r
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:33 PM
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210. K&R- If the Democratic party passes
this bill,they will cease to exist.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:39 PM
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211. i do`t give a fuck if there`s 156 republicans are better than him....
i voted for him in the primary and if he runs again i`ll vote for him .

my party right or wrong is pure bullshit.
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SourFlower Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:44 PM
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212. Go Dennis! NT
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:34 PM
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213. Kucinich for President 2004
We really thought we could change things just by voting. How foolish we were! John Kerry carried Ohio, yet the election was stolen once again. Kerry was pressured by the political class to not press a challenge to the Ohio results. This tells you just how corrupt the entire political system is.

We don't need reform, we need radical revolutionary change!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:21 PM
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218. "We don't need reform"
I noticed today that Obama used the term "insurance reform" in his speech. Well, now it has finally boiled down to what I've been calling it for a very long time.

It is not a health care bill, which is what Americans want. It is an insurance bill.

I see that Dennis will oppose the Insurance Bill now. Good for him.

We need change, not reform.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:30 PM
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215. Too late to rec - but I'll kick ..
Principal over party .. we need more like Dennis, with the new SCOTUS ruling, I fear more and more corporate friendly/anti-working class politicians will be entering DC.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:48 PM
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216. I've been sour on this miserable excuse for HCR
for some time now, and Dennis Kucinich is just the kid who says that the emperor has no clothes.

It's about time somebody who has a large soapbox to stand on said it.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:25 PM
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223. He shows us how to stand up for our OWN interest - to be awake!
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