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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:21 PM
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Under the new NCLB lowest 5% of schools will be punished more harshly...
than before. It appears that the lower 5% of the schools might be closed each year. At that rate it won't take long to get the agenda of the corporatization of education in place. This replaces the AYP, Adequate Yearly Progress.

Seems to me that no matter what the schools do...if they are in the bottom 5% they are doomed. It's called grading on the curve.

As long as I am a member of this forum, I will continue to post about the hijacking of public education. If people disagree, the inevitable will happen. But I will have tried. 33 years of teaching gives me a right to a voice.

First from the Washington Post Answer Sheet:

Obama and NCLB: The good--and very bad--news

George Bush could have not realized how much of a friend President Obama would be to his No Child Left Behind initiative.

Obama bashed NCLB when he was running for president, saying that obsession with high-stakes standardized tests was no way to run an education system. But Saturday we learned the vision that Obama and his education secretary, Arne Duncan, have for the post-NCLB era, and, unfortunately, it doesn’t look much different.

Now that Obama lives in the White House, he seems to have developed a certain fondess for some of the key concepts of NCLB that essentially doomed it to fail: the high-stakes standardized testing regime, the punishment for the lowest-achieving schools, the arbitrary deadlines for success.


Here is the problem:

The accountability system known as “adequate yearly progress” — the measure of how much progress schools, school districts and states made annually based on a cockamamie formula involving standardized test scores — will end. That’s good. Under AYP, even excellent schools were deemed to be failing.

But another arbitrary accountability system will be put in its place — and the current standardized testing schedule put in place by NCLB will remain. Very bad. The lowest achieving 5 percent of schools in every state will be punished even harder than under NCLB, according to my colleague Nick Anderson, who reported about the Obama plan today.


Here is more about it from the blog of the NYC Public School Parents:

An even more punitive approach for our poorest schools, but with a nicer name?

Here, from the AP story is the “spin” from the administration, of a supposedly less punitive approach:

In the proposed dismantling of the No Child Left Behind law, education officials would move away from punishing schools that don't meet benchmarks and focus on rewarding schools for progress, particularly with poor and minority students.

Yet what the administration is really proposing is even more punitive, to expand the pro-privatization and destabilizing policies represented in its "Race to the Top" slush fund, including school closures, charter takeovers, and/or supposed “turnaround models”, where at least half the staff would be fired, to all of the nation’s lowest performing schools, or else risk having their Title one funds being withheld:

…the bottom 5 percent of schools would be forced to use the department’s four turnaround models that now govern the Title I School Improvement Grant program. The next-lowest 5 percent would be on a “warning” list and be required to take action using research-based interventions, although the department would not mandate one of the four turnaround models.


More on the new NCLB from educator Jim Horn at Schools Matter:

Obama's NCLB 2.0: Worse Than the Bush Version

What no one outside the Walton, Gates, and Broad camps could have imagined, however, is that NCLB 2.0 would be even more draconian than the torture of AYP under the original NCLB. At least with AYP, there was always some small chance that your low class school could cram, pray, or cheat its way to making the cut score for the never-ending annual tests.

Now with the Oligarchs' new plan, the bottom 5 percent of schools will be targeted each year for "turnaround," and it doesn't matter what the poorest schools do, because the poverty that assures them their status at the bottom of the barrel makes them sure targets for conversions of urban schools into apartheid charter chain gangs, either that or the second-most popular option of firing all the school staff.

Because the annual testing will continue unabated under the Oligarchs' plan that Obama will present, this new system will pit the poor against the poorer and the poorer against the poorest, because the only thing that will keep your school off the shutdown, er, turnaround list is some other school in your vicinity that is doing worse still.


I write about education because it was my life for 33 years. I fear there is a trend to make it hard to write truthfully about the topic.

I hope not.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:24 PM
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1. The lowest 5% is doomed to fail
if all they're doing is testing to measure performance. What are they doing about English language proficiency? special ed? What are they doing to address the issues of poverty, etc.?

I know, let's send Arne Duncan into one of those schools and tell him his job is on the line. The test scores improve or he's out of a job.

:rofl:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:12 AM
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27. Yep, sent Arne to teach there, job on the line.
Good idea.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:07 PM
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41. +1
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:24 PM
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2. How is this not class warfare?
Where is the ACLU? Where are the progressives? Why are we allowing this to happen to those least able to protect themselves?
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:29 PM
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4. You've seen the reaction here today, haven't you?
I'm amazed at the number of people who irrationally blame teachers and no one else. Until education is addressed holistically, the kids at the bottom will continue to be targeted for the schemes of billionaire opportunists.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:37 PM
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6. It's much easier and more comforting to point the finger at a scapegoat than at ourselves..
And it is our culture and our parents that are failing the most.

Our culture does not value learning except as a route to making more money (if that) and too many of our parents are not doing the job of making sure their children are ready for school, physically, mentally and emotionally.

Of course there are other factors but in my mind these are the two big ones.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:25 AM
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19. I am still bruised after posting about contempt for teachers...
going up lately. Thought it was a legit subject, but guess not.

Contempt for public school teachers is growing.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:41 PM
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7. Where are the progressives?
Many of them remain too infatuated with Obama to accept criticism of anything his administration is doing.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:58 PM
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9. +1
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:41 PM
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15. see:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:08 PM
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42. +2
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:21 PM
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40. It is class warfare.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:27 PM
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3. I'm going to keep whipping you until you stop crying or die. n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:34 PM
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5. They should change NCLB to TBWCUMI
(The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves)

Seriously, how the eff is starving a struggling school of resources supposed to improve it? This is like finding out a friend of some years that you thought was normal pays homeless people to beat each other up. It's sick!
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:45 PM
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8. Change that to "The Beatings Will Continue Until The Subject Dies"
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 10:47 PM by Jkid
This is nothing more than a phase out of public education. Eventually with this 5% die off, most public schools will slowly close down once a year. Until the the cream of the crop appears and then there will the call to privatize those remaining public schools.

What Obama is proposing is a phase out of public education. He's not saying that explicitly, he's explaining it in a way that is what the people will accept, so by the time they find out...whoops, too late!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:15 PM
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11. I totally agree with you.
A lot of people aren't reading between the lines here and accept what the Administration is saying on face value. They don't really understand the role of a school in its community and neither do the higher ups making the decisions today. You can tell by the language being used around the issue. Schools shouldn't be run like a corporation and children aren't "product". :(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:05 AM
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20. Yes, it is a phase out of public education.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:14 PM
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10. Keep the truth coming Madfloridian ..i keep sending your info out to teachers i know all over
the USA and especially Florida!!

Thank you for your diligence in this matter! It is too important!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:22 PM
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12. It's hard to do ....
when posts are taken off greatest....like a losing battle. Thanks for the kind words.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:28 PM
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13. I am really toying with the idea of running a group blog about this issue
because it is so important and the fact that these horrible policies are being implemented with astonishing speed. I have a blog now, but I'd really like to start a group one.

There are a few education group blogs out there, most notably Gotham Schools, but not many take on the subject with a nationwide emphasis.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:22 AM
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17. Sounds like a good idea.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:36 PM
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14. 20 years, game over. nt
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:59 PM
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16. Am I wrong yet again...
for thinking that it's stupidity to do away with the lowest 5% of schools because every year there'll still be a lowest 5% no matter how much improvement is made across the board? Is there a time limit on this thing or do we just continue along until there are relatively no public schools left? Using this bell curve ideal, someone simply has to be at the bottom end. We can't all be at the middle or at the top. It can't be done.

I hesitate to suggest this, but trying to make all our schools and all our students meet all the same high standards is sort of like teaching someone to paint. Some of us will be able to paint portraits, some will be able to paint by numbers, and some will only be able to paint a board. There may even be (god forbid) some people who will eat the brushes and drink the paint. That's life.

Just sayin'. :crazy:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:36 AM
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18. Not wrong. They will be getting rid of 5% of public schools
every year. It's pretty blatant.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:03 PM
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21. We can not let public education die without speaking out.
But I fear we will.

Democrats seem not to care.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:08 PM
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22. Once the furor over HCR died down
there might be some bandwidth available for education issues. But don't hold your breath: the only people who seem to care are those involved in education or those wishing to profit from it. Or the tightie righties trying to get their agenda into curricula.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 01:56 PM
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23. Most likely though...
the Democrats will fall in line with the plans by Arne.

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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:00 PM
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24. Thank you madfloridian!
The actions of the Obama Administration on education are much, much, MUCH more than disappointing.

Just think how different "educations" can and will be at different charter schools. Divide and conquer indeed.

Of course eventually we'll get to the consolidation levels we have with health insurance, and we'll just have WalMart Elem., Middle, and High Schools.

The whole thing is horrifying.

There are STILL quite a few things simultaneously occurring (or not occurring) that deserve and need progressive vocal opposition. And that's WITH Democratic control of government.

I wish the Democratic and Republican Parties would both splinter at the same time. We need more political parties in this country. Stat.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:00 PM
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25. Guess which 5%. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 11:16 PM
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26. Easy guess, I'm afraid.
:-(
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:10 AM
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28. Destroy education and then blame the victims!! Good plan for elites/corporates . .!!
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:17 AM
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29. I can't thank you enough for everything you post in regards to education
You are a real treasure on DU.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:26 AM
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30. Hmmmm...and will they then hold Charter Schools feet to ...
the same fire? Didn't think so.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:09 AM
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31. what should happen with the lowest 5% in your opinion?
Nothing? Just turn a blind eye and keep paying ineffective staff?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:25 AM
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34. there will always be a lowest 5%......until public education is history.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:13 AM
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32. Madfloridian.
You have the most extensive charter school archive I've ever seen. If the general public ever read it, the "masters of the school privatization universe" would get schooled out in the woodshed in pretty short order. Keep it up! :patriot:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:17 AM
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33. There had better be some cultural differences built into these "test"
as that is what happened to the NJ school. Where I live the parents are not very supportive of schools and often think it is funny when their children skip like they themselves did when they were young. That is not the fault of the school or the teacher. I just do not think this is a problem that can be fixed with one pill or one size fits all.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:28 AM
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35. Thank you.
You obviously speak from experience. I wish someone had answers to the questions you raise!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:01 PM
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45. My sister taught special ed in a New York school. Her students
were 13-14 year old boys who no other teacher would teach anymore. Most of them were labeled mentally ill but in truth only about 3% were actually mentally ill. The others were either victims of sexual abuse or from dysfunctional families. She won some and lost some. I will never forget the day she called me crying because one of her student had just been executed for murder. I reminded her of all the children she had been able to turn around.

When these vultures have succeeded in destroying our system of education all of these boys will end up lost and none of them will be turned around.

I personally think that education should be mostly a local concern and someone setting in an office in Washington should not have so much power.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:24 PM
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36. This doesn't make sense
as there will ALWAYS be a bottom 5%, until there are no students left.

zalinda
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:11 PM
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43. You got it... that's it in a nutshell. There will always be a bottom 5%
:hi:
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Melusine Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:52 PM
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37. Thank you, madfloridian!
I appreciate your efforts to make everyone aware of this issue. I had hoped that NCLB would be done away with, not escalated in the push for more privatization. Sadly, I can't even say I'm really surprised.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:01 PM
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38. She is a real treasure here..
and welcome to DU!

:hi:
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Melusine Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:19 PM
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39. She is . . .
and thank you!:)
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:02 PM
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44. Keep up the good work!
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