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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:19 PM
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Moody's Prepares Financial Terror Attacks on US and World - Time to Shut Them Down
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 02:51 PM by JackRiddler
How did the Wall Street banks buy up junk mortgages, package these into securities, and sell these to conservative investors, municipalities and pension funds around the world? The millennial fraud of the real estate bubble caused the financial crash and the new depression, but the bankers didn't care because this was a condition of their plunder. Even the ones whose institutions failed made awe-inspiring fortunes. The banks that survived - entirely thanks to a transfer of trillions of dollars of wealth from the people and the Fed to their coffers - are now bigger and more powerful, and control a larger share of the market. From their perspective, the results so far are splendid. And very much as intended: the rich are richer, and fewer, and that is good.

This successful global confidence game would have been impossible without the "confidence," and that was provided by the ratings agencies. Their activity was at the heart of the fraud. They took payment from the banks who issued the securities, didn't bother to examine the securities (in many cases could not have understood them if they tried), and dutifully placed the magic stamp on them: an AAA rating.

Most institutional investors also did not understand these securities and normally would have considered them too risky to buy. They would have been scared off by a junk rating. But they bought the fraudulent MBS and CDO papers because of AAA ratings, which they thought meant a sure thing.

Moody’s made the fraud possible on this scale. Without them, the securities-driven real estate bubble could have never got that big. The meltdown would not have been as dramatic. The depression might not be happening.

Ah, but the gangsters who came away with the epic booty would have had to make do with fewer billions in swag, and this was intolerable to them.

The major ratings agencies, like the Wall Street banks, are criminal organizations. Every time you hear someone from Moody's or Standard and Poor on the radio, you should know that a Tony Soprano would have greater legitimacy, except a Tony Soprano would never be allowed on the radio to talk about the state of “the economy” or the need to cut social “entitlements.” He’d only be allowed to talk about his court cases.

Far worse, these are criminal organizations that have been rewarded for crime. They have prospered. They fear no punishment. They have learned that crime pays. They have been given every incentive to continue helping their clients steal anything that isn't bolted to a rock. And the rock, too.

Worst of all, these are criminal organizations committed by faith and by corporate charter to the doctrine of class war as practiced by the "vile maxim of the masters of mankind," as ADAM SMITH himself called profiteers in The Wealth of Nations.

They should have been shut down and their records should have been seized for a wide-ranging criminal investigation. That is what happened with Arthur Andersen and Enron.

Instead, the killers have been re-armed and let loose to kill again.

And now they are plotting their greatest attack yet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/business/global/16rating.html?hp

Credit Agency Warns U.S. and Others of Risk to Top Rating
By DAVID JOLLY
Published: March 15, 2010

PARIS — Major Western economies have moved “substantially” closer to losing their top-notch credit ratings, with the United States and Britain under the most pressure, Moody’s Investors Service said Monday in a reminder that the global debt crisis is not limited to the small or weak. The ratings of the Aaa governments — which also include Germany, France, Spain and the Nordic countries — are currently “stable,” Moody’s analysts wrote in the report. But, it added, “their ‘distance-to-downgrade’ has in all cases substantially diminished.”

“Growth alone will not resolve an increasingly complicated debt equation,” Moody’s said. “Preserving debt affordability” — the ratio of interest payments to government revenue — “at levels consistent with Aaa ratings will invariably require fiscal adjustments of a magnitude that, in some cases, will test social cohesion.”

That difficulty has been well-illustrated recently in Greece and Portugal, with strikes and protests as citizens hit the streets to oppose tough austerity measures that directly reduce entitlements and state benefits. “It was to be expected that attention wouldn’t long be restricted to Southern Europe but would shift to other countries with big debts,” Michael Heise, chief economist for the German insurer Allianz in Munich, said.

The United States, Britain, France and Germany have always been rated triple-A by Moody’s, with the United States first rated in 1949. Pierre Cailleteau, managing director of sovereign risk at Moody’s, stressed that none of their ratings were “threatened so far.” But he did differentiate among the top countries, noting that Britain and the United States are in the toughest position.


What dark pope was ever given such power?

By what authority do these villains who defrauded the world place themselves on a throne, and pass judgement on the states and nations of the world? - Today California and Greece, tomorrow the United States and Britain, the day after Germany and Japan.

The Wall Street banks failed, entirely by their own action. Their terror was almost at an end, but they raised it to a final crescendo. And it worked: We the People were tapped to rescue them.

Now the Wall Street mob come to rob the very same nations and states who rescued them of a few interest points more, and to destroy and discredit any and all entities or people who may have the power and inclination to resist them.

It is only the latest price we pay for that cowardly act of appeasement by the leaders in Washington, Republican and Democrat, in September 2008.

Turn on your TV, and you can see propaganda spots for Bank of America and Citi, paid by your taxes and the cheapening of your currency that allowed the Fed to flood them with cash. Read the gossip pages, and you can find out how the leading criminals are enjoying their latest round of bonuses. Paid by you. Watch the news, and you will see evidence of their lobby’s latest successes in Washington, and again the lobbyists are paid - millions - by you, to screw you. Banking regulation? That has to go through legislative bodies filled with the paid servants of the banks, and even if some minor restraint does come out of the process, it will take years.

Meanwhile, Moody’s can downgrade a country in less time than it takes for Madam Speaker to read the title of a bill. Soon as it is spoken, their decree has the force of a natural disaster.

California, the United States, Greece and the EU should not be living in terror of Moody's.

Moody's should be living in terror that the law enforcement is going to knock down their doors and seize their files - tomorrow morning could not be soon enough.

The loose ends that unravel the Wall Street criminal complexes are there, amongst the "auditors" who have shielded the Goldman Sachses and the Citis and the AIGs.

Here is my powerless cry for the day, and if there’s a spirit in the world after all, may it be magnified a trillion times and come true before this year is out:

Seize Moody's. Now.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 02:45 PM
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1. K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:01 PM
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2. k/r
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:48 PM
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3. Moody's is like an international crime syndicate.....
..... Trying to force governments to slash public spending OR ELSE !!!





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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:16 PM
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4. Yes, yes yes. Moody's recently devalued California's bonds and TPTB used this
to cut educational funding in the budget. The relationship is symbiotic. Moody's rates you down, you have to do what it takes to get your rating back (to make the money flow & pay employees, etc), even if that includes cannibalizing your own state.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:18 PM
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5. kick their asses n/t
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:51 PM
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6. Effective economic treason during the housing boom aside,
hypothetically, what if lowering the bond rating is the honest choice? Do we force them to keep us at AAA for the sake of the economy? Or just arrest them and shut down Moody's for corruption and racketeering (which they are undoubtedly guilty of) during the housing boom?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:07 PM
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8. The latter, of course.
Analogy: a judge is discovered to have been taking bribes for many years and harmed a great many people through his rulings. Is it relevant whether the defendant currently being tried is guilty? The bad judge needs to be stopped. You put him in cuffs.

Otherwise, you probably don't want to hear what I have to say about US debt and what to do about it.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:00 PM
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7. "A message from the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Moody's Corporation"
http://www.moodys.com/moodys/cust/prodserv/prodserv.aspx?source=StaticContent/Free%20Pages/Moodys%20in%20the%20community/Index_Page.htm&template=mic&context=mic/page.asp



Moody's formal commitment to philanthropy began with the creation of our foundation in 2001. Since then, we have partnered with a number of organizations to bring about positive change in the communities in which our employees live and work with particular emphasis in New York City, San Francisco, and London. We are careful to choose projects and partners that are aligned with our strategic focus: mathematics, economics, and financial education. Grants from our Credit Markets Research Fund support academic research on capital markets and credit-related topics around the globe, contributing knowledge to the financial community at large. In addition, Moody's employees have donated thousands of volunteer hours to key causes, helping to make a positive difference in their communities. Moody's is proud of the relationships that have helped us forge a distinctive philanthropic footprint in our communities worldwide.


Emphasis mine: These fuckers even have the gall to call it philanthropy when they train the next generation of gangsters and put out propaganda reports ("financial education"). Ah, but they do also give volunteer hours to "key causes." Distinctive assprint, indeed.

O, glorious rich people, always philanthropizing!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:14 AM
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10. Weird code thing - anyone knows what it means?
The photo of Mr. Moody's turned into a regular link and a message:

"This image link contains an illegal code"

Have they got some kind of trackback or something encoded into the image? Even if, what damage could it do? Anyone know?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:27 AM
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11. It means DU doesn't like the URL
probably because it has too many spaces in it. It has nothing to do with trackbacks or any action on Moody's part, and your immediate supposition that it does is about as reliable as most of the rest of your thread. Stop talking paranoid nonsense. They haven't downgraded us. There is genuine pressure on the US' future credit rating because we have a sky-high national debt thanks to the depradations of the GOP over 8 years of Bush. Pretty much any financial journalist will tell you the same thing, or you can arrive at the same conclusion by studying treasury data.

the national debt is way high. that's not an attack on the US or Obama, it's just a fact that it's historically high, along with the national debt of a lot of other g20 countries. We overspent heavily over the last decade thanks to an unwise combination of too much war and too little taxation, and so did a lot of other countries. If your external debt grows too high relative to GDP then it reduces creditworthiness and increases the cost of borrowing.

Moody's is just expressing agreement with what pretty much everyone else has been saying for years. We have been saying on DU for years that Bush was dragging us (and indirectly, our military allies like the UK) into fiscal trouble. Were DUers trying to talk down the US or attack the currency? No, they were just saying that spending was out of control under the Republicans. Now the rest of the world has caught up and you're accuring them of being part of a conspiracy for saying the same thing.

Fuck.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:39 AM
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12. You like it when the banksters have their cake and eat it, too, I guess.
For profit, Moody's lied about housing securities, enabling the bubble and the fraud. Apparently you have no problem with that.

For that, they should be shut down, just like Arthur Anderson was, just like (we can hope) Ernst and Young is about to be.

And even if they tell the truth about the US, they should not have the power to have their words descend like a natural disaster. They are not an honest actor. A professional liar can sometimes tell the truth, they're still liars.

(On the computer thing, I'm not a programmer, okay? If the machine says "illegal," I naturally think it means something malicious. Since the word is defined that way in English.)
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 02:21 AM
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14. Not as much as you like straw man arguments
Moody's are alleged to have lied about housing securities. I have yet to see all the evidence for this and do not assume that an accusation is the same as a conviction. Whether they are shut down or not will depend on whether a trail finds that they did lie and if so, to what degree. If it turns out that they were misleading investors about the bulk of the securities they rated, then they probably will be shut down, and in any case their stock price would crater. On the other hand, if the actual number of securities that were wrongly or falsely rated is some small fractions (like < 1%) of all the securities they rate, then that might not be justified.

The only reason that their words carry such weight is because their overall track record has been pretty reliable. Other businesses use their ratings to judge the quality of their investments (usually along with two others, as required by law) and most of the time their assessments have been pretty reliable. You don't get to be a global brand without being pretty good at whatever it is you do, and Moody's is among the top three rating agencies. That doesn't make them immune from criticism by any means, but nor does it mean (as you seem to assume) that they must be corrupt or something. If they were totally unreliable, nobody would have paid them for their ratings services.

I see you've skipped over the basic point I was making, which is that MMoody's is only saying the same thing that people on DU have been saying since bush went on his enormous spending spree and put the country seriously in the red. Bush and Cheney's endless economic mismanagement has been discussed extensively at DU. For years people here (including me) have been saying how we had a budget surplus under Clinton and Bush et al. blew it all on military adventures and tax cuts. Now Moody's says yes, the country is in a bad financial position for the long term and it's like 'OMG how dare they say that'. It's like blaming the weatherman for telling you it's raining. Go vall up any of other ratings agencies and they'll say the exact same thing.

what do you want them to say? Everything is awesome? It isn't.

(On the computer thing, I'm not a programmer, okay? If the machine says "illegal," I naturally think it means something malicious. Since the word is defined that way in English.)

Well, you know what happens when you assume - you make an ass out of u and me. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something and asking what it means. Jumping to conclusions about something which you're ignorant is worse than not knowing in the first place.

Oh, and banksters? you know, a few hours ago I posted a news story about a bank CEO in New York who was arrested on fraud charges today and faces up to 30 years in jail - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7925483 ...two replies, both of them empty grumbling because apparently the guy isn't famous enough. The guy appears to be an actual bankster who ripped both his own bank and the government, but apparently it's more fun to complain than to acknowledge that sometimes the system works.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:49 AM
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20. Its the DEBT!
Amazing,

I read thru all this bilge and not one mention of the TRUE reason why Moodys is getting closer to
reducing the rating...

The chickens are coming home to roost...


Thank You Reagan, BushI,II and Obama....



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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 12:12 PM
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24. Ummm...I devoted an entire paragraph to talking about the debt
And I don't blame Obama for that. In fact I think his administration is much more likely to bring it back under control.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:25 PM
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30. "Bring it back under control..."
Yeah, the idea is to start with "entitlements" - the part of the budget that pays for itself and provides a surplus, so that the war machine and the banks can eat it.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:28 PM
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31. Obama is more likely to bring it under control??
Are you serious?

Past performance indicates that will NOT be the case. He has only escalated the debt. Thats his idea of "change"; from bad to worse...
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:37 PM
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32. So you're opposed to the stimulus, then?
I don't have time to lay out the basic principles of Keynesian economics, but in a nutshell the idea is you spend some money to get the economy moving again and build future productivity, on the understanding that when the economy starts growing again you use the resulting revenue for debt reduction. This is basically what Roosevelt's administration did during the 1930s, and it's a pretty well-established economic strategy.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:21 PM
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35. Yes I am/was opposed.
It did nothing but raise the debt. Uneployemnt wasnt supposed to go over 8% remember?

1. Stimulus spending really works when the increased economic activity prompts more bank lending. It hasnt happened.

2.The simulus is not be used in a "stimulating" way. Giving the money to State governments to help
balance their budgets and keep programs afloat is not "stimulative"

3.When was the last time the government paid back debt in a substantial way? With the exception of
a small dip during Clinton, the debt has been on a upward trajectory since Carter. And there has
been much "stimulating" done over that time.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:15 PM
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48. Those arguments just don't reflect the facts.
0. It has not 'done nothing but raise the debt'. I am already seeing projects in my city that are powered by stimulus money. The national broadband plan was published yesterday, and it's a good one, and the $7 billion in funding it will need is from that same stimulus. There's a list of projects at http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_state showing where the money is being spent, on what, and in what amounts.

1. You are mixing up the TARP and the stimulus. TARP was supposed to ease credit squeeze and promote bank lending as you describe, but many banks have used it to build up their capital cushion. Whatever you think about the wisdom or not of the TARP, I must point out that the amount and conditions of that spending were set by the previous administration and in any case it had a distinctly separate purpose.

2. I strongly disagree about the money being used in a 'stimulating way'. Again, please look at the list of projects supplied above.

3. So, because the administration that came into office after Clinton was spendthrift and massively increased the national debt, the Obama administration should be assumed to be spendthrift as well? I cannot help but notice that the White House has been Republican-occupied for 20 of the 30 years since Carter left office. If deficits soared under Reagan & Bush II, how is that the fault of Democratic administrations? (Bush 1 did not do much to rein in deficits, but in fairness made some attempt to rein their rate of increase, including by raising taxes).

Your argument depends on the idea that government is bad, and treats the Obama administration as if it were of a piece with those Republican administrations mentioned above. Intentionally or not, this is an argument I hear frequently from Republicans, blaming 'government' for the debt effects of policies carried out by Republican administrations.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 07:24 PM
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51. Well counterpoint:
0. Too little of the stimulus is being spent on such projects, as they should be. The fact that the
stimulus hasnt dont squat (unemployemt has gone higher if you havent noticed) bears that out.

1. Im not talking about TARP. Successful Keynsian economics depends on the banks loosening credit as byproduct of the supposed increased economic activity from the "stimulus". This hasnt happened. TARP is a different matter.

2. See 0 and 1

3.Yep we can assume Obama is a spendthrift because under his watch the debt has gone up with no real measurable benefit. Dems and Repubs are both to blame for this mess.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:22 PM
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53. We disagree about the benefits
I am well aware that employment and the national debt have increased since Obama took office. When I see people working on projects that were financed by stimulus funds, I see people who might otherwise be unemployed and improvements that might not otherwise take place, and I can estimate the future economic benefits from that investment.

If you argue that 'it has not done squat' because unemployment has gone up anyway, then you are choosing to ignore the benefits of existing and future spending on the basis that they haven't taken place fast enough. Bush 43 was also a believer in instant results, and his smaller 2008 stimulus took the form of a tax refund, but that short-termist approach did not prevent the meltdown in September/October of 2008.

I prefer a graduated approach and always expected that it would take time to reap the full benefits, as in several years - much like an illness may need to be treated by a full course of medicine, even though it would be desirable to take just one pill and have it disappear instantly. I have lived through several recessions in different countries with a variety of different financial policies, but nowhere have I ever seen a recession halted in its tracks and economic growth re-established overnight. Even under Roosevelt and his new deal, unemployment rose during the first year of his presidency and did not stabilize until 1933.

If you disagree, perhaps you can cite an example or two of the instant economic fix you seem to desire.

The stimuluswatch.org website seems to have crashed or gone offline, so here's another independent guide: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-STIMULUS0903.html or you can go to http://recovery.gov and see where the money is going. You can also view this article which lays out which stimulus spending is yet to take place: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704804204575069772167897834.html

Frankly, I think your viewpoint is not grounded in reality.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:01 PM
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26. Speaking of strawmen...
"do not assume that an accusation is the same as a conviction."

Well neither do I! Now that this has been cleared up...

You can twist the language to serve the system you think occasionally "works" all you like. You can also let the slippery matter of individual responsibility (very important to determine, I agree) obscure the reality of a class waging war on the classes below it.

The big lie of the financial segment of the ruling class was pushed in our faces all along. Housing prices would keep going up and up and up, so it was safe to use your house as an ATM and take mortgages on ridiculous terms. Combining junk mortgages would create a golden security, thanks to equations barely any piker at the SEC or Moody's bothered to figure out. The raters called these AAA because that's how they made their money. No AAA, no easy sale to suckers, no incentive for the banksters to clone the junk and bet on the junk and demand more junk mortgages from the vulture mortgage sellers at the bottom, and thus no new junk paper for Moody's to "rate."

Read about one Moody's whistleblower, Eric Kolchinsky:
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=moody's+whistleblower&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

You can say it's the word of one man, or you can admit it happens to fit the big picture we can see: The bonds WERE junk, they DID fail, for very predictable reasons - that the housing bubble was a lie all along.

That the ratings agency fraud was at the center of the larger scam and the crash is well established in the best article still to be written on the crash, by Michael Lewis:

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/11/11/The-End-of-Wall-Streets-Boom/?print=true#

The key role of the ratings agencies was also documented throughout the CNBC special "House of Cards," it's made clear they were both corrupt and indispensable.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/28892719

Let the record show that Wall Street went bankrupt before the United States.

And they were "bailed out" - meaning the Treasury was privatized on their behalf.

This in turn contributed trillions in debt directly and indirectly to the likely eventual bankruptcy of the United States.

Moody's lied to hide the first bankruptcy - that of Wall Street - until it became obvious. Thus they were complicit in burdening the United States with additional trillions in debt.

If now they should "tell the truth" about the prospective second bankruptcy, that of the United States, which their lie helped to cause, they are only heaping an even greater burden on Wall Street's savior, the United States, which will as a result of the downgrade be forced to pay even more in interest to the predators on Wall Street.

Very opportunistic "truth-telling," this. They lie when it suits them and they tell truth when it suits them.

PS - If you can show me how our analysis of the US economic mess here at DU serves to jack up the interest rates on the national debt we all must pay through our taxes, and which largely end up in the coffers of the Wall Street banks largely responsible for that debt, I'll give you a prize. When Moody's says the same thing, it hits US with the force of a natural disaster. Too bad our words don't have the same power over them.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 10:14 PM
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9. Lucy Komisar points out that AIG was loaded with intelligence ties; Doubtless this is
all part of finalizing the middle stage of the military coup that began on 9/11, is being consolidated in this "Long Night of the Long Knives" while the GOP is out of the WH, and will be finalized when all the ducks are in a row for the final International 9/11. Look for it around 4/4/15.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:02 AM
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13. Link, please
And some kind of citation on the 4/4/15 date.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 02:24 AM
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15. Probably infowars... .nt
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:24 PM
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29. You're welcome
http://thekomisarscoop.com/tag/clearstream/

http://www.alternet.org/story/20788/

MP3 Interview with journalist Lucy Komisar on WFMU regarding AIG intelligence connections & offshore money laundering (MP3 in two parts):

http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/500_599/f-531a.mp3

http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/500_599/f-531b.mp3

This MP3 program highlights the use of “Offshore” entities to evade taxes, maximize corpo­rate profits and finance a variety of criminal enterprises. Much of the first side of the program consists of analysis and discussion of insurance giant AIG and its prolific use of “offshore” scams. In addition to presenting AIG’s pioneering development of “captive” reinsurance companies to launder profits and evade taxes, the program highlights AIG’s use of Coral Reinsurance for a variety of illegal gambits. It should be noted that AIG’s illegal operations have been aided by a number of powerful and influential people. Much of the second side of the program consists of review of the pivotally important Clearstream network, and its use by intelligence agencies, corporations, criminal syndicates and terrorist organizations.

Program Highlights Include: A working definition of “Offshore;” the links of AIG to the intelligence community; assistance given to AIG’s scams by luminaries such as Henry Kissinger and former Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin; Clearstream’s use of unregistered accounts; the role of the Clearstream network in the Banco Ambrosiano, October Surprise and BCCI scandals; the role of the Clearstream network in the financing of Al Qaeda and 9/11; the role of the Clearstream network in the machinations of the Russian criminal networks of Mikhail Khordokovsky; discussion of the “Bermuda Inver­sion” gambit; discussion of “Transfer Pricing;” discussion of an organization formed by Lucy Komisar that is working to eliminate corporate tax evasion through the use of “offshore.”

1. In this return appearance by journalist Lucy Komisar, we begin the discussion of “Offshore” with a functional defintion: “DAVE: ‘Define ‘Offshore’ for us, Lucy.’ LUCY: ‘Offshore financial centers are, mostly, confidential and parallel financial systems segregated from the traditional banking structure of the jurisdiction and restricted to non-residents. There are more than 4000 offshore banks thought to exist in about 70 offshore jurisdictions. They lack the regulation and supervision of banks found in developed onshore jurisdictions. In many OFCs, a bank can be formed, registered and its ownership placed in the hands of nominee directors via the Internet. There are few, if any, disclosure requirements, bank transactions are free of exchange and interest rate restrictions, there are minimal or no capital reserve requirements, and transactions are mostly tax-free. Some OFCs permit the licensing and registration of ‘shell banks’ that exist only on paper and do not have a physical presence. They generally have legal frame works designed to obscure the identity of the beneficial owner. Some OFCs offer the ability to form and manage secretly a variety of international business companies (IBCs), trusts, investment funds and insurance companies, many with nominee — that is front–directors, nominee office holders and nominee shareholders.’

2. Much of the program focuses on the scandals surrounding the insurance giant AIG. We begin with an introductory discus­sion of this enormous corporation and its position in the corporate land scape. “DAVE: ‘Now, let’s turn to the subject of insur­ance giant AIG, the focal point of two of your Alter net articles. Tell us about the company’s size and importance in the indus­try and the corporate landscape in general.’ ‘LUCY: ‘AIG is the world’s second largest financial conglomerate and the largest underwriter of commercial and industrial insurance. In 2003, AIG reported net income of $10 billion. It has $648 billion in assets, a market value of $195 billion, $77 billion in sales and $6.5 billion in annual profits. It has operations in 130 countries and nearly 77,000 employees. It ranks third on Forbes’ list of the world’s biggest companies, after Citigroup, and General Electric.”
(Note that the material on AIG was drawn from Lucy Komsar’s two articles written for Alter Net: “The Fall of a Titan” by Lucy Komisar; Alter Net; 3/17/2005; “Take the Money and Run Off shore” by Lucy Komisar; Alter Net.)

3. AIG and its CEO Maurice <“Hank”> Greenberg are very closely related with the intelligence community. “DAVE’ ‘Tell us about AIG chief Maurice Greenberg, and his relationship to the intelligence community.’ ‘LUCY: ‘The American Inter­national Group at its origins was linked to the OSS (Office of Strate gic Services) the forerunner of the CIA. It grew from the Asia Life/C. V. Starr com panies founded by Cornelius Starr who started his insurance empire in Shanghai in 1919, the first westerner to market insurance in China. Starr served with the OSS during World War II, and the Starr Corporation, located in the same building as the OSS in New York, provided intelligence on shipping, manufacturing and industrial bombing targets in Asia and Germany. When Casey became CIA director in the Reagan Administration, he wanted Greenberg to be his deputy, but Greenberg decided to stay with AIG. After the Ames scandal, Sen. Spector floated his name as a replacement of Woolsey, but the job went to Tenet.’” (Idem.)

4. AIG features a number of luminaries on its board of directors and international advisory boards: “DAVE: ‘Tell us about some of the prominent people on the board of directors and international advisory boards of AIG.’ LUCY: ‘Henry Kissinger chairs AIG’s International Advisory Board. Its board of directors includes William S. Cohen, Former United States Secretary of Defense and Senator, Caria A. Hills, Former United States Trade Representative, Richard C. Holbrooke, Former United States Ambassador to the United Nations.’’ (Idem.)

5. AIG’s illegal and/or unethical stratagems feature a pioneering use of “captives.” “DAVE: ‘Let’s turn to the subject of what AIG does. What are ‘captives’ and how does AIG use them?’ LUCY: ‘A captive is an insurance company that is owned by the company it insures — and has that company as its only client. Reinsurance is insurance that an insurance company buys so that if it has to pay out a claim, it doesn’t take all the risk. I discovered and reported on a case where AIG used a reinsurance company secretly owned by its client’s CEO to help him evade taxes, and by the way, to increase AIG profits in a way that cheated the client’s stockholders. I wrote about the case on Alternet, but it has not been reported in the corporate press. Vic­tor Posner, who died in 2002, was a crook known as the original ‘corporate raider,’ famed for engineering hostile takeovers of companies and looting them. He had a history of corrupt dealings. He owned a Delaware factory called NVF that made Vulcan rubber. NVF had a workers compensation policy with an AIG company, which reinsured it with Chesapeake, a reinsurance company based in Bermuda, an offshore center. It turned out that Chesapeake was owned by Posner. In the early 90s, a Delaware insurance investigator discovered that NVF was paying twice the market rate to AIG for the insurance. The transac­tion meant all the parties came out ahead: AIG would keep a portion of the inflated NVF premium before sending the rest to Chesapeake, which meant AIG would have a higher commission. Posner would write off the entire amount as a business expense and enjoy the extra cash in Bermuda, tax free. A former Delaware insurance regulator told me, ‘This was not an iso­lated case with Vulcan. AIG did that a lot.’ He said, ‘AIG helped companies set up offshore captive reinsurance companies. AIG would then overcharge on insurance and pay reinsurance premiums to the captives, giving the captive owners tax-free off­shore income.’ However, the Delaware Insurance Department took no action against the insurer. When I gave AIG the details of this scam, company spokesman Andrew Silver told me, ‘We don’t have any comment on that.’ AIG declares on its web site that it ‘pioneered the formation of captives almost 60 years ago,’ and it offers management facilities to run the cap­tives in offshore Barbados, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Isle of Man, and Luxembourg — all places where corporate and accounting records are secret and taxes minimal or nonexistent.’’ (Idem.)

6. AIG also used offshore insurance interests to move debt off its books, thereby making the company appear to be more profitable than it actually was. Of course, this did nothing to damage the price of its stock. “DAVE: ‘What else did AIG engage in that was illegal?’ LUCY: ‘In the late 90s, four state insurance departments New York, Delaware, Pennsylvania and California were aware that AIG was moving debt off its books via the use of an offshore insurance company it secretly set up and controlled. But despite clear evidence of wrong doing, no sanctions were ordered. State laws require insurance companies to keep a certain amount of capital available to payout claims. If they have reinsurance, that amount can drop. The rein­surer, of course, has to be an independent company; the risk isn’t reduced if it’s just moved to another division of the same company.’” (Idem.)

7. The program turns to the subject of AIG’s Coral Re gambit, and the considerable assistance provided by investment firm Goldman Sachs to the furtherance of this scam: “‘In the mid-80s, two of AIG’s reinsurers failed. AIG now was going to show unacceptably high levels of debt on its books from claims it would now have to pay out itself. So Hank Greenberg decided to set up Coral Re, a reinsurance company, to move his bad debts off AIG books. It set up a shell company in Barbados, where capital requirements and regulation was minimal compared to the U.S., where American regulators couldn’t readily discover AIG’s involvement and where, as an added incentive, it could move money out of reach of U.S. taxes. The scam company was arranged with the help of Goldman Sachs then headed by Robert Rubin, who would become President Clinton’s Treasury Secretary and is now chairman of the executive committee of Citigroup. It got some high-level corporate executives to front for this supposedly independent company. But I have a confidential memorandum by Goldman Sachs which told why the company was formed. ‘AIG’s interest in creating the company is to create a reinsurance facility which will permit its U.S. companies to write more U.S. premiums. For a U.S.-domiciled company, a high level of surplus is required to support insur­ance premiums in accordance with U.S. statutory requirements. The statutory requirements in Barbados are less restrictive.’ The people who got this memo were corporate executives who, in exchange for their names, were offered a guaranteed return of $25,125 in the first year and $45,225 each subsequent year. They didn’t have to put up any money: they got financing from Sanwa Bank of Chicago secured by the Coral Re shares, a guarantee of enough dividends from Coral Re to cover the interest, and agreement they could hand off the shares and debt when ever they chose. Who got this no-lose so-called investment? They included serving or former chairmen of Reynolds Metals; Kraft; Itel, Mennen Com pany; Morton Thiokol. The Arkansas Finance and Development Authority, headed by a man who went to work in the Clinton White House, became lead investor, although state law banned it from buying stocks. Clinton was then governor of Arkansas. He would make Rubin his Treasury Secretary. The new company was not a legitimately independent business. For investors, there was no money at risk; the board of directors never made a decision; and Coral Re had no office of its own but was managed by American International Management, a subsidiary of none other than AIG. Eventually, the scheme unraveled. In 1992, Delaware examiners smelled a rat, AIG initially refused to provide Coral Re documents to the examiners, and it took them a couple of years to nail the connection. When AIG finally supplied Coral Re’s financial papers, the regulator was incredulous. He told me, ‘The books were definitely cooked.’ But the cowardly regulators in Delaware, Pennsylvania, New York and California, though they agreed in 1996 that AIG owned Coral Re and that there was no transfer of risk, did not act to punish AIG, just told it to stop using Coral Re. If Coral Re was an AIG affiliate, it would have to pay taxes on its income. If it was ‘independent,’ that money came tax-free. But the IRS didn’t have the guts to go after them, either. AIG spokesman Andrew Silver simply denied the validity of what all the insurance commissions found. He told me that ‘AIG was not involved in the offer and sale of Coral Re’s shares. That was done by Goldman Sachs, which approached potential investors with which it had relationships. AIG did not control or have an equity interest in Coral Re.’ That of course it completely untrue. Goldman Sachs failed to respond to inquiries about its role in setting up Coral Re. In May this year (2005), New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer filed suit against AIG and Greenberg, charging a pattern of fraud through the use of ‘sham transactions’ that bol­stered the conglomerate’s financial statements.” (Idem.)

8. Next, the broadcast reviews some of the “offshore” strat a gems used by corporations to inflate profits and invade taxes, beginning with discussion of “the Bermuda Inversion.” (For more discussion of the Bermuda Inversion, see: FTR 458.) “DAVE: ‘Let’s review some of the various gambits used by corporations to utilize ‘Offshore’ to their advantage, beginning with the ‘Bermuda Inversion.’ LUCY” ‘In a ‘corporate inversion,’ a U.S. company creates a new parent corporation based in a tax haven like Bermuda. The company and any foreign subsidiaries become subsidiaries of the new parent—and the entire corpo­ration then benefits from tax report ing and regulations that are often significantly less demanding and expensive than those in the United States. In the past few years, about two dozen publicly traded companies have reincorporated in Bermuda or announced they would do so. Among them are Tyco International, McDermott International, Ingersoll-Rand, Nabors Indus­tries, a huge, Houston-based operator of oil-drilling rigs. Since they are now foreign corporations, they evade billions of dollars of US taxes. Share holders — including pension funds — lose too. In Bermuda, corporate laws shift the balance of control from stock holders to a company’s directors and severely limit investors’ right to sue. There is no treaty with Bermuda guarantee­ing the reciprocity of judgments—meaning stock holders may have a hard time ensuring American court orders are enforced. In addition, stock holders’ ability to obtain information about Bermudan court decisions is limited: the island does not even maintain an official court reporter. Legislation to block the tax advantages of conversions was decimated by the Republicans, which applied only to future conversions.”
(For specific documentation, see: FTR 458.)

9. Next, the program reviews “Transfer Pricing.” (For more about “Transfer Pricing”, FTR 458.) “DAVE: ‘How about ‘Transfer Pricing’? LUCY” ‘Is a way of evading taxes by allocating profits for tax and other purposes among parts of a multinational cor­porate group or to secretly owned companies. These front companies are always offshore in tax havens. Offshore ‘trading’ offices or companies handle imports and exports, buying a U.S. export from a company at a sharply reduced paper cost and selling it abroad for the real-world market value, so the exporting company makes no profit. That stays with the tax haven trading company. In the reverse, a company buys goods at a real price and ‘sells’ to the U.S. firm at a grossly inflated one, so the U.S. firm has a huge cost to deduct when it uses the item in manufacture or resells it at a loss. Two US professors used customs data to examine the impact of over-invoiced imports and under-invoiced exports on U.S. federal income tax rev­enues for 2001. The findings were staggering. Would you buy plastic buckets from the Czech Republic for $973 each, tissues from China at $1,870 a pound, a cotton dish towel from Pakistan for $154? U.S. companies, at least on paper, were getting very little for their exported products. If you were in business, would you sell bus and truck tires to Britain for $11.74 each, color video monitors to Pakistan for $21.90, and prefabricated buildings to Trinidad for $1.20 a unit? After all the deductions, the U.S. company has minimal profits. The offshore centers levy no taxes on ‘profits’ claimed there. Comparing all the stated export and import prices to real-world prices, the professors figured the 2001 U.S. tax loss at $53.1 billion.” (Idem.)

10. A bipartisan senatorial team introduced legislation to curb the ability of corporations to use Offshore to evade taxes: “DAVE: ‘This past year, there was legislation introduced aimed at curbing these abuses. Tell us about that.’ LUCY: ‘In July, Republican Senator Coleman and Democratic Senator Levin introduced our ‘Tax Shelter and Tax Haven Reform Act of 2005 which would, among other reforms, require economic substance for transactions to be eligible for tax benefits and strengthen the penalties for tax transactions lacking economic substance.’”

11. Much of the rest of the program consists of review of the use of the Clearstream network by corporations, banks, intelli­gence services, criminal syndicates and terrorist organizations, often acting in conjunction with one another. Lucy summa­rizes the Clearstream network, its functions and its history.

“DAVE: ‘Lucy, let’s review the Clearstream network and how it was set up. Let’s note in this context that ‘Offshore isn’t sim­ply used by corporations to amass illegal wealth. It’s also used by criminal organizations, intelligence services and terrorist entities to move finances illegally.’ LUCY: ‘Clearstream is a clearing house in Luxembourg called Clearstream, which handles billions of dollars a year in stock and bond transfers for banks, investment companies and multinational corporations. It oper­ates a secret parallel book keeping system that allows its clients to hide the money that moves through their accounts. In these days of global markets, individuals and companies may be buying stocks, bonds or derivatives from a seller who is halfway across the world. Clearing houses like Clearstream keep track of the ‘paper work’ for the transactions. Banks with accounts in the clearing house use a debit and credit system and, at the end of the day, the accounts (minus ‘handling fees,’ of course) are totaled up. The clearing house doesn’t actually send money anywhere, it just debits and credits its members’ accounts. It’s all very efficient. But the money involved is massive. Clearstream han dles more than 80 million transactions a year, and claims to have securities on deposit valued at $6.5 trillion. It’s also an excellent mechanism for laundering drug money or hiding income from the tax collector. Banks are supposed to be subject to local government over sight. But many of Clearstream’s members have real or ‘virtual’ subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, where records are secret and investigators can’t trace transactions. And Clearstream which keeps the central records of financial trades, doesn’t get even the cursory regulation that applies to offshore banks. On top of that, it deliberately has put in place a system to hide many of its clients’ transactions from any authorities who might come looking. According to former insiders: Clearstream has a double system of accounting, with secret, non-published accounts that banks and big corporations use to make transfers they don’t want listed on the official books. Though it is legally limited to dealing with financial institutions, Clearstream gives secret accounts to multinational corporations so they can move stocks and money free from out side scrutiny.’”

12. Next, the program reviews how the Clearstream network figures in the Banco Ambrosiano scandal.

“DAVE: ‘Tell us about the Clearstream network and the Banco Ambrosiano scandal, currently in the news after the indict­ment of four alleged conspirators for the murder of its chairman, former P-2 Lodge member Roberto Calvi.’ LUCY: ‘By 1980, Ernest Backes had become No. 3 official of Cedel (the old name for Clearstream), in charge of relations with clients. He was fired in May 1983. He told me the reason given for his sacking was an argument with an English banker, a friend of the CEO. ‘I think I was fired was because I knew too much about the Ambrosiano scandal,’ Banco Ambrosiano was once the second most important private bank in Italy, with the Vatican as a principal share holder and loan recipient. The bank laundered drug-and arms-trafficking money for the Italian and American mafias and, in the ‘80s, channeled Vatican money to the Contras in Nicaragua and Solidarity in Poland. The corrupt managers also siphoned off funds via fictitious banks to personal shell com­pany accounts in Switzerland, the Bahamas, Panama and other off shore havens. Banco Ambrosiano collapsed in 1982 with a deficit of more than $1 billion. Bank chairman Roberto Calvi was found hanged under Blackfriars Bridge in London; the death was ruled a suicide. Michele Sindona, convicted in 1980 on 65 counts of fraud in the United States, was extradited to Italy in 1984 and sentenced to life in prison; in 1986, he was found dead in his cell, poisoned by cyanide-laced coffee. (Another sus­pect, Arch bishop Paul Marcinkus, the head of the Vatican Bank, now lives in Sun City, Arizona with a Vatican passport; U.S. authorities have ignored a Milan arrest war rant for him.) Now several people are on trial in Italy for Calvi’s murder. Backes said that he and a colleague, who was found dead in suspicious circumstance, moved all those transactions known later in the scandal to Lima and other branches. Nobody even knew there was a Banco Ambrosiano branch in Lima and other South American countries.’” (For specific documentation, see: http://www.spitfirelist.com/f458.html.)

13. Much of the wrong do ing that surrounds Clearstream concerns the use of its unpublished accounts: “DAVE: ‘Tell us about Clearstream’s unpublished accounts, used and abused by major corporations, as well as criiminal syndicates, terrorist organi­zations and intelligence services.’ LUCY: ‘Cedel/Clearstream violated its own statutes by setting up unpublished accounts for industrial and commercial companies. With accounts in their own names, companies could avoid passing through banks or exchange agents to use the clearing house. They thus skirted man dated due diligence and record-keeping. When Siemens was proposed for membership, Backes says, some Cedel employees protested that this violated Luxembourg law. How ever, management told them that Siemens’ admission had been negotiated at the highest level. Among the major companies with secret accounts, Backes discovered the Shell Petroleum Group and the Dutch agricultural multinational Unilever, one of whose accounts was asso ci ated with Gold man Sachs. At the dis cre tion of Clearstream, clients can open ‘non-published’ accounts that do not fig ure in any printed doc u ment or record of international financial transactions. When law enforcers ask to see records, they don’t exist. Unlike a bank, Clearstream has no effective outside surveillance. It is audited by KPMG, one of the ‘big five’ international accounting firms. KPMG has either been ignorant of or has over looked the secret account sys­tem. Major companies use the secret accounts. Backes discov ered non-published accounts of the Dutch agricultural multina­tional Unilever. The Shell petroleum group had a non-published account in the name Shell Overseas Trad ing Ltd. The German giant Siemens had four non-published accounts. Siemens has just been accused of involvement in oil for food kickbacks to Saddam Hussein. Among the international banks with the most secret accounts are: Citibank (271); Barclays (200); Credit Lyonnais (23); and Japanese company Nomura (12).’”

14. Continuing analysis of Clearstream’s role in major intelligence scandals, the program reviews the use of the network by the conspirators in the “October Surprise.” “DAVE: ‘In addition to the Banco Ambrosiano and Iraqgate scandals, the Clearstream network featured in many of the other major intelligence-related scandals of the last quarter century or so. Tell us about Clearstream and the ‘October Surprise’—the sabotage of the Carter campaign by the Reagan/Bush forces’ collabora­tion with the Iranian fundamentalist regime.’ LUCY: ‘In November 1979, the U.S. Embassy in Iran was seized, and 52 Amer cans were taken hostage. Their cap ture, and the Carter administration’s fail ure to win their release, became a major issue in the 1980 pres i den tial cam paign. Carter had frozen $12 bil lion in Iran ian assets in U.S. banks, which was being claimed by Amer i can firms and indi vid u als who had lost prop erty in the Islamic rev o lu tion. Amer i can and Iran ian offi cials were negotiat­ing the amount of funds to be released in return for freeing the hostages, and the amount to be kept to settle claims. The Iranians also wanted Carter to release arms that had been ordered and paid for by the deposed Shah. According to numerous credible reports-many of which first appeared in In These Times-Reagan campaign officials allegedly met with Iranian repre­sentatives several times during the 1980 campaign, promising arms and money if Iran delayed release of the hostages until after the November election. This scandal would become known as the ‘October Surprise.’ Reagan won the election, but Carter officials continued to negotiate with the Iranians. Finally, around the turn of the year, an accord was reached under which the United States would release $4 billion but no arms. How ever, the Ira ni ans did not release the hostages imme di­ately. A few days before Reagan’s inau gu ra tion, Ernest Backes recalls, Cedel got an urgent joint instruc tion from the U.S. Fed eral Reserve Bank and the Bank of England to transfer $7 million in bearer bonds-$5 million from an account of Chase Manhattan Bank and $2 million from an account of Citibank-both in offshore secrecy havens. The money was to go to the National Bank of Algeria, and from there to an Iranian bank in Teheran. Backes was informed that the $7 million was part of sums being sent from around the world and concentrated in the Algerian bank. He was told the transfers were linked to the fate of the hostages. The Fed and the Bank of England were not members of Cedel, and by its rules had no right to order the transfers. Backes’ two superiors were absent. He informed the president of the Cedel administrative council, Edmond Israel, then acted to execute the order. (Israel, now honorary chair man, did not respond to phone and e-mail messages.) On January 20, 1981, about 15 minutes after Reagan took the oath of office, the hostages were finally freed. Reagan and Vice President George Bush have always denied the pay off happened.’”

15. The Clearstream net work was also uti lized by the BCCI. Note that the milieu of the BCCI fig ures promi nently in the inves­ti ga tion of 9/11, and that FBI chief Robert Mueller was in of the badly atten u ated “inves ti ga tion” of BCCI by Con gress. “DAVE: ‘Tell us about Clearstream and BCCI.’ LUCY: ‘When Mayor Giu liani was assis tant pros e cu tor in the inves ti ga tion of the Bank of Credit and Com merce Inter na tional (BCCI) in the early 1990’s, he received doc u ments from Backes. BCCI was a Pakistani-run bank reg is tered via shell com pa nies in the Cay man Islands that used secret accounts to effect an $8 bil lion global money-laundering fraud. Before it was shut down in 1991, BCCI was used by U.S. and Saudi intel li gence to fund the mujahideen, then fight ing the Soviet-supported gov ern ment of Afghanistan.” (See more on BCCI-Clearstream connection.)

16. Clearstream appears to have been involved in the financing of Al Qaeda through the Bank Al Taqwa and SICO.

“DAVE: ‘You’ve also written about the Clearstream involvement with the Bank Al Taqwa, the main financial institution of the Muslim Brotherhood and a major source of funds for Al Qaeda, according to many intelligence sources.’ LUCY: ‘Following the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the U.S. started focusing its investigation on the finan­cial trail of Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda net work. Like any other large, global oper a tion, inter na tional ter ror ists need to move large sums of money across bor ders clan des tinely. In Novem ber, U.S. author i ties named some banks that had bin Laden accounts, and it put them on a black list. One was Al Taqwa-’Fear of God’-registered in the Bahamas with offices in Lugano, Switzerland. Al Taqwa had access to the Clearstream system through its correspondent account with the Banca del Gottardo in Lugano, which has a published Clearstream account No. 74381. But Bin Laden may have other access to the unpublished system. In what he calls a ‘spectacular discovery,’ A series of 16 unpublished accounts had been opened under the name of the Saudi Investment Company, or SICO, the Geneva holding company of the bin Laden family’s Saudi Bin laden Group it is run by Bin Laden’s brother, Yeslam Bin laden. SICO is associated with Dar AI-Maal-AI-lslami (DMI), an Islamic financial institution also based in Geneva and presided over by Saudi Prince Muhammed Al Faisal Al Saoud, and which directs millions a year to fundamentalist movements. DMI holds a share of the Al Shamal Islamic Bank of Sudan, which was set up in 1991 and partly financed by $50 million from Osama bin Laden.” (For more specific documentation, see: http://www.spitfirelist.com/f356.html; http://www.spitfirelist.com/f357.html.)

17. The Clearstream net work has been utilized by the burgeoning Russian organized crime/oligarch net works. “DAVE: ‘Lucy, you’ve also written about the use of Clearstream by the interests of criminal Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky. This scandal has been portrayed in the media as a reversion by Russia to the bad old days of the Soviet Union, with the authoritarian central government repressing the budding flower of Russian free enterprise. In fact, the Khordovsky case could be described as a ‘Russian Enron,’ with American investors among the main losers. Enlarge on that, if you would.’ ‘LUCY: ‘The Russian bank Menatep is on the year 2000 list even though it officially failed in 1998. Menatep is implicated in a Russian Audit Chamber report in the diversion of $4.8 million lent to Russia by the International Monetary Fund in 1998. Clearstream’s dealings with Russian banks are another area of concern. Menatep Bank, which had been bought in a rigged auction of Soviet assets and has been linked to numerous international scams, opened its Cedel account (No. 81738) on May 15, 1997, after Lussi visited the bank’s president in Moscow and invited him to use the system. It was a non-published account that didn’t correspond to any published account, a breach of Clearstream’s rules. Menatep further violated the rules because many transfers were of cash, not for settlement of securities. ‘For the three months in 1997 for which I hold micro­fiches,’ Backes says, ‘only cash transfers were channeled through the Menatep account.’ ‘There were a lot of transfers between Menatep and the Bank of New York,’ Backes adds. Natasha Gurfinkel Kagalovsky, a former Bank of New York official and the wife of a Menatep vice president, stands accused of helping launder at least $7 billion from Russia. U.S. investigators have attempted to find out if some of the laundered money originated with Menatep, which they believed had looted Russian assets. (The Justice Department declined to comment on the investigation.) Even though Menatep officially failed in 1998, it oddly remained on the non-published list of accounts for 2000. (Clearstream also lists 36 other Russian accounts, more non-published than published.)’”


18. The program concludes with presentation of the website for an organization Lucy has founded (in partnership with oth­ers) that is working to eliminate the offshore tax evasion by corporations. “DAVE: ‘We’re almost at the end of the interview, Lucy. Many listeners will be asking themselves what can be done about this situation. You have formed an organization to deal with the use of ‘Offshore’ to evade taxes. Tell us about that group and how people can find out more about it.’ LUCY: ‘I’ve worked with some associates to form The Tax Justice Network.”

Lastly, you ask for a "citation" on a date which is clearly given as an OPINION. Either that's cursory reading, or some type of Bill O'Reilly playtime pretext to declare an opinion invalid. Either way, you tipped your hand with that last request, and I presume your tag-team "Infowars" psycho partner have your work cut out for you in neutralizing the keyword that got triggered. Alternet, Komisar, WFMU & KFJC aren't going to be easy to smear.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. You know, I was going to thank you for putting that together, even though I'm skeptical
of wide reaching conspiracy claims. But seriously, why go to that trouble and then top it off with what amounts to "you're an unbeliever, so fuck you?"
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. You were going to thank me? Citation? Link?
Baloney.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Yeah, I was. There was clearly a good deal of work in there.
You put time into providing me with information that you feel to be important to you, despite my obvious skepticism of the claim. That's laudable.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #36
40. One woman's "wide reaching conspiracy claims" are another woman's
routine activity of organized crime.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:13 AM
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42. No, when you postulate a global coup d'etat you pass beyond routine.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:21 AM
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43. Oh come now...
No three persons will ever hold the same sway over the whole world as Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill did in 1944 - and I know two of the three were dead or finished the next year.

No group is ever likely to exceed the influence and reach around the planet and through time of the planners of the postwar world order.

Which is to say, enormous power is centralized (cumulatively even more power is not, but that means it's not) and global coup attempts in themselves are not such an exotic imagining, just unlikely ever to run as planned.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:15 AM
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16. By what authority, indeed, do the lords of finance rule the lives of everyone on earth?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:19 AM
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17. k*r Outstanding!!! n/t
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:58 AM
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18. Ground Hog Day
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:00 AM
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45. Always fascinating is that 1 year after the 29 crash, the market as measured in Dow recovered...
by about 50 percent, closing in on the Oct. 1929 pre-crash level (340 or so), though still well below the Sept. 1929 high of 381:

"An interim bottom occurred on November 13 with the Dow closing at 198.60 that day. The market recovered for several months from that point, with the Dow reaching a secondary closing peak (i.e., bear market rally) of 294.07 on April 17, 1930.

Can you imagine, in that period of 50 percent growth in the blue-chip market, the bullshit that must have flown about the onset of revovery, and never mind the fundamentals?

Then it took another year before the real slide:

"The market embarked on a steady slide in April 1931 that did not end until 1932 when the Dow closed at 41.22 on July 8, concluding a shattering 89% decline from the peak. This was the lowest the stock market had been since the 19th century."

In itself that shouldn't be taken as a prediction about what will happen today, or its timing. History doesn't repeat because of some magic law about size of swings and the duration of periods in which they occur, though market wonks always claim to have discovered the philosopher's stone. No. History rhymes, because the same dynamics operate in similar ways at different periods, though contextual conditions may differ.

Today, the Dow falling to 1300 (a rough equivalent) would indicate a dissolution, or a revolution. The base is much larger, the companies international. An economic catastrophe on 1929 scale (20+ percent unemployment) would land it somewhere around 5000.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:04 AM
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19. Buy gold
stock up on non-perishables and learn Chinese. This happened because we let the Bush cartel loot the treasury without consequence.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:04 AM
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21. Not only is Moody's guilty of fraud but they're always wrong too.

Who listens to a rating agency who's always WRONG? Nobody. SHUT UP MOODYS!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:23 PM
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25. Citation please?
Since their ratings are public you should easily be able to demonstrate this. They have been wrong on some major stuff, specifically in grossly overestimating the value of mortgage-backed securities, which has resulted in numerous honest investors being left holding the bag for their mistake. That shows incompetence and possibly criminality, if there is evidence that they colluded with issuers of said securities to overalue them - if that is the case they should be punished. But 'always wrong'? since when?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:37 AM
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52. Negligence is also criminality.
If they didn't bother to examine the underlying assets of MBS and CDO paper, but merely took the client payoff and conferred the AAA stamp - as whistleblowers and some reporters like Michael Lewis have said, and as is prima facie likely - then that's negligence in their fiduciary duty as the third-party independent auditors they profess to be. In which case: Off with their heads.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:33 AM
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22. You make a good point about getting rid of moody's influence over our
economic picture. But I don't understand who handed them that kind of power?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:05 AM
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23. Yes, Moody's sucks, but the fact of the matter is that we got ourselves into this situation
Our debt load is huge, and lots of people were warning the government that they needed to somehow bring down our debt load in order to keep this country in some sort of decent, stable shape. Instead, we bailed out the banks and doubled down on a war.

We really need to cut back on military spending, about half. Oh, and if the banks go belly up again, let 'em fail.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:16 PM
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27. There are different "we's" complicit in this...
You write, "Instead, we bailed out the banks..."

The point is, Moody's was part of that operation. They lied about the junk mortgage bonds. This was central to the bubble and the crash. Wall Street went bankrupt. Then the banks terrorized the government into bailing them out, adding to US debt. And now Moody's is suddenly willing to tell the truth about the US government, again adding to US debt. Do you see the key factor here determining whether they lie or tell truth? Either way, they're screwing the people, the taxpayers, everyone but their clients among the big financial players.

This is not a routine statement of something we can all see. When Moody's speaks, hurricanes occur.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:44 PM
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33. Sigh...
Moody's is only one ratings agency among several, and one that is rather poor odor at the moment. As for your hurricane, spreads on US Treasuries have actually gone down since their remarks.

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/index.html

So much for your 'hurricane'. When you look at the actual numbers in the market, there isn't one. The next sale of US treasuries is likely to cost taxpayers slightly less in future interest payments.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:23 AM
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44. I like it when day to day market fluctuations are cited as proof of something.
Soldier on!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:20 PM
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49. You're the one talking about a financial hurricane. So where is it?
According to you, Moody's latest pronouncement makes them wreckers of the US economy, but there is no evidence of attacks on the currency or widening bond spreads.

What's actually happening is that Moody's is saying something everyone already knows (that the fiscal position of the US has been getting worse) and because everyone already knows it, the markets have already priced it in. So while I am no fan of the company, I am not going to blame them for simply observing which way the economic winds are blowing. There is absolutely zero evidence to back up your claims of a 'financial hurricane' caused by their remarks.

It's not my fault that reality doesn't reflect your opinion.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 03:08 PM
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50. What pronouncement? Moody's made no pronouncement.
Moody's didn't downgrade US debt, did they?

No, they murmured about it. This may have been idle, or in preparation for a downgrade, or intended to add pressure to the attack on the non-war parts of the budget - especially those horrid "entitlements" that have always paid for themselves with fat surpluses out of the reach of the robber-bankers.

The threat was made known.

Meanwhile, they surive to keep fucking countries, country by country, although they participated in the crime of the millennium.

And you're still studiously ignoring the point:

It's not that "Moody's is saying something everyone already knows," it's that when they change a rating, it has an effect, unlike what we say here.

And this from an organization that enabled in the worst gangster heist in history with the AAA lie. Which created much of the present US debt burden, once the government capitulated to Moody's clients, the even bigger gangsters.

They lie when it suits their clients and their ideology. They tell the truth when that suits their clients and ideology, and their words help to create that "truth."

If a judge was discovered to have been receiving payoffs to find a defendant guilty, surely you would agree that he should be led off in cuffs and the trial moved to a different venue - even if the defendant is guilty.

This point is so elementary, I know you get it. So you're avoiding it.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:49 PM
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54. The pronouncement that the UK and US were moving closer to losing their AAA status.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 12:49 PM by anigbrowl
I really see no point in continuing this argument, as you are clearly in love with your own hyperbole and unwilling to consider the broader context. However, I will respond to this bit, as you feel it to be so important:

If a judge was discovered to have been receiving payoffs to find a defendant guilty, surely you would agree that he should be led off in cuffs and the trial moved to a different venue - even if the defendant is guilty.

This point is so elementary, I know you get it. So you're avoiding it.


A judge is invested with statutory authority, and his decisions enforceable by police.

Moody's has no such authority. They are a privately owned company whose opinions are a) protected as free speech, true or not; b) can be accepted or rejected by investors as they see fit; c) may be contradicted or disputed by their competitors, or anyone else who chooses to analyze fiscal statistics; d) carry only as much weight as their reputation for accuracy and credibility, which may vary with time.

If you are unable to tell the difference between a ruling backed by statutory authority and an opinion backed only by reputation, then I suggest a refresher course in basic civics. If enough people decide that Moody's opinions are no longer credible or reliable, then there is not a damn thing the company can do about it.

I suggest that you might be happier in a country where free speech is less protected and people can be arrested for expressing unpopular opinions about matters of economics or governance, as has happened to individuals like these:

http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/korea-beat/-p-3453
http://boingboing.net/2009/05/14/guatemala-twittering.html
http://committeetoprotectbloggers.org/2008/10/23/nigerian-blogger-arrested/

The same constitutional guarantees which establish your right to publicly criticize Moody's and anyone else you disapprove of also protect Moody's rights to express opinions about government policy. I am glad to live here rather than in an authoritarian society where expressing such opinions can get you arrested.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:25 PM
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56. Oi vey, now you're telling me to move to North Korea.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 03:27 PM by JackRiddler
Very compelling argument, that. Used to be Russia, by the way. There ought to be a Godwin's Law for telling people to move to ___________.

I suppose I should tell you to time-travel to Manchester-era England (which is about as likely to happen), where you could enjoy the full benefits of unregulated capitalism.

No, Moody's is not a statutory authority! Congratulations on finding a way to split hairs against my metaphor.

It is irrelevant because Moody's is covered by laws on fraud and fiduciary responsibility. The duties of an auditing companies and consultancies are also covered by law, as corrupt accounting firms and (we can only hope) the scum of Ernst and Young may yet discover.

Forget the judge then. How about this:

If Underwriters' Laboratories uses their free speech rights to certify a light fixture they know will electrocute you (or that they didn't bother to test - same thing) then this is a fraud for which they will be subject to criminal and civil liabilities.

If Moody's lied or acted with gross negligence to confer AAA ratings on junk, then they used their (undeserved) reputation and status as an independent third-party auditor to abet the fraud that the banksters practiced on investors. That is a crime and an abuse.

If some team of lawyers from Sophistry & Partners manage to discover some way to get around the fraud laws, in this case it would illustrate how well the capitalist class has managed to make everything they do legal, no matter how wrong.

Words are protected speech, but deception for financial gain isn't a speech issue. How sad for you that, reduced to these arguments as a final resort, you can't find it in yourself to admit you're wrong.

Now go to some other thread and argue that corporations are people after all.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:39 PM
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57. Actually, that story was about South Korea, a very different place.
However, I will retract my advice. Avoid Korea altogether, since I would feel slightly responsible if someone as careless as yourself ended up in some gulag to which I had no intention of guiding you.

If Moody's lied or acted with gross negligence to confer AAA ratings on junk, then they used their (undeserved) reputation and status as an independent third-party auditor to abet the fraud that the banksters practiced on investors. That is a crime and an abuse.

Certainly, I said the same thing on Tuesday, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7922092&mesg_id=7926847. I am glad you agree with me, although you probably didn't realize it at the time of writing.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:51 PM
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28. Emphatic K&R
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 07:51 PM by Joe Chi Minh
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:48 PM
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34. It's too bad recommended posts only have a 24-Hr life
This deserves to be pinned to the top of GD.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:54 PM
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39. Moody's had no problem when Bush was running up the debt
or when the taxpayers bailed out their banking friends.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:11 AM
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41. Amen!!!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:43 AM
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46. Kick & thanks for 40 net recommendations!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:45 AM
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47. Stewart last night did spectacular summary of bankster fraud that included role of ratings agencies
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:19 PM
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55. Amazing that people still defend Moody's...
...but then that's par for the course these days.

Apparently lots of people still buy into the free market theories, even after the corruption has been put on very public display.

Others have posted many details, so I'll just add this: Moody's okay'd JUNK and gave it a AAA rating, which furthered the FRAUDULENT sales to entities worldwide. In fact that is why the American taxpayer is on the hook to make these investments whole -- because we really can't afford the correction that would occur if international investors had to eat it on AAA investments. Then their faith in the markets would go Poof! and there would have been a real crash.

So now Moody's comes along and says, Whoa! The US might get a sub-AAA rating! You better watch out! and of course this is used to justify more austerity measures, because we have to be careful so the all-knowing Moody's doesn't downgrade our rating! Yesirree Bob!

I think it is very relevant to ask, just where in the hell was Moody's when they were handing out AAA ratings like candy? And their actions were a direct CAUSE of the financial distress of the USA right now!

Anyone who can defend this is lost in the trees, unable to see the forest.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:06 PM
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58. You're contradicting yourself
One moment you're complaining that Moody's gave AAA ratings to things that didn't deserve it, and then you complain that they have the temerity to contemplate removing an AAA rating from something else.

Or are you convinced that the USA is sacred, and must never have any criticism leveled against it?

If you don't like the power that Moody's has, then ignore it. Ask others to ignore it. Saying 'seize it' is silly. You'd only do that if you wanted to fix the credit ratings yourself, for whatever reason.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:58 PM
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61. Actually, you're not reading.
There is no contradiction, you're just not interested in the distinction, which others here have no trouble understanding.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:08 PM
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63. Your 'distinction' would seem to be that the US could never be a bad credit risk, then
Why are you so up in arms about this, just because they've said the US may not have the safest government bonds in the world? The problem was the crappy job they did with CDSs. But instead you're chucking around childish 'terror' phrases. Apeing the rhetoric of Glenn Beck won't get you anywhere.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:13 PM
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64. Hardly. Not reading & turning to clumsy labeling.
Thanks for the kick.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:10 PM
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59. This is to be expected, since the Obama administration won't hold the rating co.'s accountable
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 07:11 PM by depakid
for their fraudulent behavior prior to the economic meltdown.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:58 PM
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62. Exactly - it's the price for appeasing the financial terrorists.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:11 PM
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60. K & R
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:51 AM
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65. morning kick
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:46 PM
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66. The AAA rated final kick!
You can trust the AAA rating!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 01:53 PM
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67. Ooops, I guess an AAA rating isn't what investors thought it was!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 10:56 AM
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68. Really for real final kick & thanks to all.
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