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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:36 PM
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LA Times: 2 Americans and a third victim are killed in Mexico shootings
2 Americans and a third victim are killed in Mexico shootings
Two cars leaving a party come under fire in Ciudad Juarez. A baby in the back seat of one car survives unscathed, but her parents are dead.

By Tracy Wilkinson and Richard A. Serrano
March 15, 2010

Reporting from Mexico City and Washington


Three people connected to the U.S. Consulate in Mexico's deadliest city, Ciudad Juarez, were shot to death by men who intercepted their cars as they returned from a child's birthday party, officials said Sunday. Two of the dead, an American couple, were discovered slain in their vehicle, their uninjured baby crying in the back seat. President Obama on Sunday expressed outrage at the drive-by slayings. The three victims were killed in broad daylight Saturday near the city's border with El Paso.

Ciudad Juarez, a key entry point for drugs into the U.S., has seen a staggering increase in bloodshed as narcotics gangs battle for control of smuggling routes, turf and market share. Mexico's raging drug war has claimed thousands of lives, including those of some Americans. But this appears to be the first time in recent years that Mexican drug traffickers have attacked U.S. diplomatic personnel and their families.

In response to the escalating violence, the State Department on Sunday told employees they could send family members and other dependents home to the U.S. from six northern Mexican cities where Washington maintains consulates. It also updated its existing travel warnings, cautioning Americans about traveling to or within northern Mexican states and strongly cautioning American youth about spending their spring break in Mexico. .........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-mexico-shootings15-2010mar15,0,6043277.story



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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:40 PM
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1. Abundance of guns and ammo from the good ol' USA. Thanks 2nd Amendment.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:00 PM
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4. Refusing to blame people for their own criminal behavior.
Zero points awarded.

You should ponder on that.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:03 PM
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5. They are accountable, and those who produce and sell the guns are too.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:28 PM
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13. yeah....
...just go ahead and ignore the 10s of MILLIONS of gun owners that never fire their gun at anything other than paper targets.

Thousands of people are killed in Mexico every year from drug violence. They are stabbed and cut apart by machetes, tortured to death as well as shot with guns. Common denominator......STUPID DRUG WAR.

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:30 PM
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15. Some things are understood
and other times they need to be clearly stated, I guess. The gun issue makes us Americans lose our collective mind. Anyway, I think our drug laws need to be addressed too. I am diametrically opposed to drugs, but think the "war"on drugs is an epic fail.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:25 PM
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21. So Oxycontin over the counter like Bayer aspirin?
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:39 PM
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22. Yes indeed! They should give us back our Quaaludes too!
WTF?! Where the hell are the Quaaludes when you really need them?

Fuck! :hippie:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:31 PM
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24. in a perfect world...
;)

kidding!
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:06 PM
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25. You're right. In a perfect world, people could be trusted to self-prescribe.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:10 PM
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6. It's our DEA and our war on drugs, not our 2nd amendment. nt
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:12 PM
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8. Cause of death is gunshot wounds.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:13 PM
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9. So you admit gun laws don't work?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:23 PM
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11. They need widespread application.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Water seeks its own level.

And guns flow from those jurisdictions where gun culture is coddled into the more zero tolerance areas.

Equal protection from guns and ammo from sea to shining sea.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:41 PM
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17. Either they work or they don't. Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world.
They don't work.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:16 PM
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10. Are guns illegal to own in Mexico?
Anyone know?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:42 PM
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18. They have very strict rules. Use the 'google', it's all out there.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:46 PM
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19. The 2nd Amendment says, " You're welcome!"
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:23 PM
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20. At least the merry misinterpretation thereof does!
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:42 PM
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23. Oh yeah, that's the ONLY reason the Sinaloas & the Zetas are shooting it up
:eyes:

Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the drug cartels fighting each other for access to the highways leading into the US. None whatsoever.

dg
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:41 PM
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2. legalize drugs. put them out of business overnight.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 03:56 PM
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3. No shit, Sherlock
Legalize them, undercut the black market, let the junkies get their dope in reliable dosages and not cut with shit like cement dust and baking soda, and kill the drug gangs off completely by taking away their source of income.

Yes, it means legalizing some nasty shit like meth. However, it will also have the effect of partially closing what is now a wide open pipeline of black market drugs to kids. Oh, some kids could still find the stuff, but a hell of a lot fewer of them than now do.

Just think what this would do, not only for our own crime rate, but to the drug lords in Afghanistan.

Indterdiction, overseas meddling, and punishment for anyone caught using recreational drugs is NOT WORKING. We have to try something else or what is happening in Juarez will soon be in every single city in the US as the gangs expand and carve out territory. We know this because the same thing happened during Prohibition and for the same reason.

End the insanity. End the drug war. We lost.
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:11 PM
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7. +1000 nt
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:26 PM
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12. If you limit enforcement to confiscation of drugs and money, that can help.
Prison, i.e. loss of liberty, adds immeasurably to the risk of desperate acts.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:32 PM
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16. legalize....same as prohibition. put the rumrunners out of business...pronto.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:28 PM
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14. I propose a War...on DRUGS! That will certainly solve this issue rapidly. nt
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