Break the ice! Don't let your congressperson stop a "reasonable, responsible plan" PASS HCR NOW!

[bos1]

As the internationally respected Nobel economist said, "This is a reasonable, responsible plan. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise." Anyone stopping this plan is hurting us. It's an icebreaker that will reverse years of stalemate and inaction. Let's go. Call your congress person NOW and tell them to vote YES.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x219252

[ixion]

1. Nope. Never.

It's a crappy piece of legislation. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

[Xenotime]

3. Bullshit. They need to pass it. Otherwise we fail.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

18. if Obama and the Dems have painted themselves into such a situation (shitty HCR or fail)...

Then they have already failed.
They are between a rock and hard place right now. Pass shitty legislation or go to the polls in Nov sans any kind of HCR.
Either way, come Nov dems are losing seats.

This bill needs trashed and PO or SP (without mandates) needs passed before november.
otherwise, we fail.

[ixion]

22. I disagree

I think passing it will be an epic fail.

[bos1]

4. thanks, I'll take the Nobel guy's summary instead. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. That Nobel guy supported Hillary in the primaries

So he's been a fan of corporate mandates all along. Big fucking surprise. :eyes:

[bos1]

14. bad logic. no biscuit.

[Sebastian Doyle]

21. Yes, it's bad logic. On Krugman's part

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html

[ixion]

24. Exactly. I've agreed with Krugman on many things (mostly war related)

but this is not one of them.

Also, his take on the after-effects of the initial meltdown hasn't been all that accurate, either.

[bos1]

25. /Krugman supported Hillary and so must be fan of corporations/ is the silliest argument I have seen

in a while, outside of conspiracy sites and while fighting RWers.

[liberalhistorian]

16. +1,000

A giant giveaway to for-profit private insurance companies and criminalizing those who can't afford them but who don't qualify for subsidies IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

[meow2u3]

19. Why? Because it doesn't go far enough?

Progressives are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. If this bill fails, progressives will play right in the hands of the teabag terrorists, thus allowing the insurance gangsters to jack up rates and cut off benefits just because they can.

[ixion]

23. If you think this bill is going to fix the insurance industry, I believe you're mistaken

I think turning insurance cos into quasi-federal agencies is a huge mistake, and nothing is going to change that.

It is the Insurance Industry Profit Protection act, and nothing more.

[mdmc]

2. meh

I support the bill, but understand that it will make my medical treatment less affordable - it won't do a thing to increase access to affordable medical treatment for Americans..

[bos1]

5. u r so wrong. Can you say "pre-existing conditions must now be covered"? try it. nt

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. "...pre-existing conditions must now be covered"

The question is -- and remains -- at what price? If you pay enough, preexisting conditions can be covered right now. Even if my max out of pocket is 10k a year under the HCR bill, it sis till 10k I do not have or have any hope of getting anytime soon.

[Raineyb]

11. Except it doesn't. It makes you wait 6 months (assuming you survive) before

you can qualify for a high-priced, high risk pool. (Such plans are usually around to force you out as the insurance companies don't want to cover you.) It'll stick you with high deductibles and co-pays which will render the insurance useless because you can't afford to go to the doctor.

You'll still have to wait 4 years to buy regular insurance.

[mdmc]

12. yeah yeah

so now rich people with pre-existing conditions (or people who are able to afford to purchase health insurance - they need at least a couple hundred dollars per month disposable income) can purchase health insurance.

For me, I have a pre-existing condition and I have full health insurance through my employer. Yet I lack access to affordable medical treatment. Soon, many people will have full health insurance and lack access to affordable medical treatment.

But time will tell.
If this bill allows for access to affordable medical treatment, then the dems will have a huge advantage in the next couple of elections.
If the bill fails to increase access to affordable medical treatment, then the dems will have a couple of hard election cycles ahead of them.

[Greyhound]

7. Economist and Democrat are the operative terms when considering Mr. Krugman's piece.

On issues economic, I listen and defer to him but he is still a partisan, multi-millionaire Democrat who rightly fears the Republiks return to power. But as one of those that will pay the price for Obama's collusion, I say it is too high.

[Oregone]

8. Mr "Simulated Single-Payer" called it reasonable and responsible?

heh. You can take that to the bank, but hurry before it fails I guess.

[Raineyb]

9. When there's a reasonable responsible plan I will do so. This bill doesn't qualify. n/t

[thotzRthingz]

13. re: "Don't let your congressperson"

my elected representatives include:

* Obama (D)
* Webb (D-VA)
* Warner (D-VA)
* Nye (D-VA)

... none of them has FOUGHT for real health care reform (i.e., a robust, no-restrictions, public option). I hope all of them decide to KILL THIS ABORTION OF HCR BILL (which is in reality, health care industry FOR-PROFITS' welfare).

[kenny blankenship]

15. He said that about every plan.

Don't worry about Paul. He has two full time gigs and tenure at an Ivy league uni. He's covered 7 ways, and has probably never known what it's like to worry about this subject personally.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

17. I wouldn't let my representative stop REASONABLE RESPONSIBLE plans.

I don't see how my representative could stop a reasonable, responsible plan - no such plan exists at this time.
Also, I don't see how we can "PASS HCR NOW"! - No real HCR is on the table.

Did you mean to say "pass health INSURANCE reform now"?
That's just all sorts of zombie-democrat levels of stupid.

Go DK!

[Bluebear]

20. NO to backroom deals killing public option & pandering to hopsitals and insurance companies

[ShortnFiery]

26. Not more platitudes from Saint Krugman?

:(