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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:06 PM Original message |
I was proud to be a teacher in the public school system. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. I was a Teacher and an Administrator |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. ditto. we are the lowest rung of government they can get their hands on. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Were you equally proud of every teacher you ever had as a colleague? |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Agreed, and there are mechanisms in place to take care of that, at the good schools. nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Those mechanisms are in place at bad schools too |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. True dat |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. They can fire you anyway and for the stupidest of reasons. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. they are always rigged. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Oops, dupe nt |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. Well now, that's in EVERY other job in the world too. You don't.............. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
88. "med school teacher?" |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
98. It's couldn't care less... |
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Ardent15 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. K and R |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. Have you read Ravitch's book yet, Mad? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
90. Not yet. Behind in my reading...but ordering it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
7. As you should be. As EVERY teacher should be. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm proud of what we've done here. |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dr.Ravitch is correct that there are other factors that affect student learning BUT |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Deleted sub-thread |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Good teachers do not accept mediocrity. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Good move. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Should have done it long ago. |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Teachers are vital, and TENURE, is a concept we need to rethink, and reimpliment. |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. But if you think that out of the box, all teachers will be exemplary, it is folly |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Are you a teacher? What is your experience in education? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. His 3rd grade teacher sucked |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. There is a job to be done. We want all good teachers. How can that be? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Why not demand accountability of students and parents? |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. If you want to make the Op about that, then yes. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. That IS what the OP is about. |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Then we agree more than I thought. I am pro teacher. And anti-stigma |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. If you knew what "tenure" was, you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I dont mean to insult teachers, but if you must have highly effective teachers all, you had better |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
53. Ecudacional? What profession is that? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. he must be part of his "80% incompetent." also "impliment" |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-18-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
120. I doant think he kan gount two goud, eether. |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
64. sounds like a Troll..... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
76. You better get some "Ecudacional independence"................ |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. The greatest factor is the socio economic status of the kids |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. And when is ITBS administered? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I don't think any schools around here use it any more. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. A lot of school districts still use the Iowa tests |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I said around here |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. They do there, too. They have both CRTs and the standardized tests. n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. We haven't used that in . . . forever. n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. Thank God |
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KTinOhio (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
110. Well... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-18-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
119. That's the truth. SES IS the greatest factor, |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. -1,000 |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Oh she knows. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
75. You "believe" incorrectly. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
81. Care to actually back up your assertions there? |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
99. Teachers should not have to motivate students. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
101. this is utter bullshit |
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SanchoPanza (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
103. You will never have a high quality teacher in every classroom. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. >>It must be that way in order for the public schools to be dismantled. |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. Under paid and over worked. n/t. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm concerned that teachers will not want to work in poor |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. We already have that problem |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Even if you do feel a calling you may think twice |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. If you are fired for any reason, you have a poor chance of being hired anywhere |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. It's the pits when you're over 50 and went into this field as a midlife career changer. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #42 |
83. Don't worry, tonysam. Karma's a bitch!! n/t |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Thanks, Fire1. I know that the district is caught. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. That's alot of nerve to subpoena you to do that. You mentioned |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I don't have a suit against them; I am named as a defendant in a lawsuit |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. Ahh! Gotcha. Here's wishing you the very best. n/t |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. And that is because of the disclosure questions on applications. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. I agree, and again I fear that judging teachers by test scores will mean |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Come ON!! Let's TRADE..... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Right. Why take a job in a school you might be fired from arbitrarily? |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. They fire you anyway as long as the principal and district |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. There are thousands and thousands of scabs to take their places. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-18-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
117. Why would we? |
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jonathon (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
41. Of course, you are a teacher! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. I admire your wife's activism and miss her posts here. |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
50. K and R thanks for posting this. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. I loved teaching even though it didn't pay as much as comedy or translating. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. thank a teacher |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
52. Those people just don't know. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. You know, there could be an upside to that |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. lololol |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
82. SSDD! Reinventing the wheel! Over and over and over. n/t |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-16-10 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. K&R to one of my favorite posters, who made me aware of things |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
61. K&R |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
63. At the School Board meeting held... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. djp2 |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
65. The trashing of teachers has been systematic for the past 20 years, but now it's in high gear |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. "John and Ken" KFI were... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. It was total crap. Those two assholes haven't been in a classroom since they were students |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
71. Madflo, some other proud teachers: |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. I consider all of us heroes and most don't make headlines |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
72. k & r |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
74. I am tired today. |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
113. Sending you this... |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
77. We are lucky to have you. |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
78. Scapegoats for the Country's Social Problems |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
79. Privatize, coming from the Democratic party, too sad for words. Look at |
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bonnieS (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
80. I had similar experiences |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
85. I teach in a public university |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Thanks for reminding us |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. College professorships have been in the cross hairs for a while... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
91. As well you should be! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Your last sentence says a lot. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Wow, you nailed it. nt |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
95. And well you should be. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
97. The right-wingers are taking our schools from within too. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. And then there are the new textbooks Texas is working on.... |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
100. K&R |
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Riley18 (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
102. It is hard to come to grips with how badly we were duped by the current |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. No kidding. |
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LarryNM (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
105. In Order to Steal from Public Resources |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
107. It may have already been said... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
109. It's disheartening |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
111. My daughter has attended one of the worst schools and one of the best |
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libtodeath (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
112. I applaud.. |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-17-10 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
114. I am in my first year as a |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-18-10 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
115. Honestly |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-18-10 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
116. I worked at a school that was almost exactly both... |
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118. I, too, am a teacher........... |
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