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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:16 PM
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Dennis is fighting for every one of you. He is the one showing courage
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 08:18 PM by mmonk
despite the slight made. Is he being lobbied and given money by the heath insurance industry? He is being lobbied, but in a different way I am sure by party insiders and strong men. He is being vilified, blamed, accused of grandstanding etc. But he is fighting for you whether you believe it or not. This piece at http://trueslant.com/zaidjilani/2010/03/16/kucinich-to-announce-his-position-on-health-care/">TRUE/SLANT sums it all up as follows:

Kucinich has for weeks been maintaining that he won’t vote for a bill that, essentially, gives away the store to various medical industry players — the pharmaceuticals, the insurers, doctors, and hospital chains. Indeed, Kucinich has long been an advocate of a Medicare-for-all, single payer health care system where the government covers everyone under a low cost, efficient plan that would allow us to have universal health care for less than we’re paying now. Without a network of inefficient private insurers tangling up doctors’ offices with paperwork and gouging consumers for profit, money the system is redirected and people are able to get health care without an insurance company bureaucrat standing in the way. Sounds simple and effective, right?

That’s probably why Congress didn’t choose to go that route (simple and effective seems to not be their thing). Instead, the House passed a bill that would allow for a weak, watered down public plan that’s optional and open to very few citizens, which is one of two reasons Kucinich voted against it. The other reason was because for some bizarre reason, the final version dropped an amendment he had passed in committee that would’ve waived ERISA regulations and allowed for states to pursue their own single payer options. So, given the watering down of the public option plus the dropping of Kucinich’s amendment, the Ohio congressman voted against the House’s bill.


also,

I know for a fact Dennis, in that situation, would vote for the bill. Because Kucinich is not an egotistical maniac as so many in the pajama-clad blogosphere misunderstand him to be. He’s a man who believes in his country, and loves his fellow human beings, because unlike many of his critics, he grew up homeless, sometimes living in the back of a car, dealing with a family without health insurance, knowing the worst of sickness and strife in America. Kucinich does not have it in him to stop tens of millions of Americans from getting health insurance.

So while I think this bill is an atrocious example of how unresponsive Washington has been to what Americans want, I do hope that Dennis will reconsider his position if he is the deciding vote. Because what this bill would declare — other than our government is far too beholden to the very industries it’s supposed to be standing up to while making legislation — is that we aren’t going to let people die anymore because they literally can’t afford to live. It’s a gigantic blow against the idea that we’re on our own, that we aren’t our brother’s keepers, and that we should all pick up copies of Atlas Shrugged and simply look out for ourselves. While this entire health care process doesn’t seem to have created a decent bill that forges a decent health care system, it may have done something very important instead: it will prove that we can be a decent country. And I know that Dennis Kucinich is a decent man.


Bottom line if he doesn't hold the line and vote against it, I understand. And if he sticks to his guns, I understand. That being said, it's too bad the correct convictions can get you vilified when politics are involved. I'm not convinced this bill is good enough to turn the tide of the shame of this country of its lack of basic human empathy which allows people to die from the preventable. But if it can save half, I guess it's better than nothing. But I want better for my sons.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:18 PM
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1. Nonsense
There have been many Democrats fighting. Kucinich has spent his time grandstanding and mischaracterizing the bill

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:18 PM
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2. Most courageous flip-flopper EVER! Now *that's* how I'm gonna teach my kids about principle!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:33 PM
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12. The thought of you with kids is a terrifying thought.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:55 PM
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17. Amen to that
pretty fucking disturbing
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:24 PM
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27. OK...so we'll put you down in favor of a NO vote from DK then. eom
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:21 PM
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3. Bush said the same thing about himself as did his minions
All politicians say it in fact
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:22 PM
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4. I think any bill that mandates private coverage is ultimately flawed, yet...
if congresscritters are sincere in revisiting the issue to insert a Public Option or at least something that will keep prices from ballooning out of control like they currently are, then I GUESS I'm down for that. Ultimately< I think a public alternative should be there as a safe haven for people having to fork over money to, essentially, a cartel. The insurance companies operate like a cartel in everything but the legal sense.

However, if the bill passes and then no talk of reforming the reform bill is had for a long time, we'll know we've been fooled once again and will be several hundred billion dollars poorer for it.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:24 PM
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5. Poor, poor Dennis. Such a misunderstood political weathervane...
:cry:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:26 PM
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7. Who said they were for a public option?
Why isn't he one?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:25 PM
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:28 PM
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8. The people who are/were willing to sell out our principles so fast were also very quick in
demonizing those who pointed out the obvious. As usual.

They called names and insulted because their side was low on principle and facts.

Sounds familiar.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:28 PM
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9. DENNIS will lead us to a utopian paradise!!!
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 08:28 PM by tabasco
Yaaay!!!
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:32 PM
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11. Owwww! How'd you like to get your arm twisted?
:rofl:
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:33 PM
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13. Give me a break.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:34 PM
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14. Good OP mmonk I'm with you and feel that no mater what DK does he is still
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 08:35 PM by LakeSamish706
loved by many here on DU.
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:14 PM
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23. Count me as one LakeSamish & thank you mmonk N/T
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:51 PM
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15. It's good that you're sticking with your guy. I just watched his fellow Ohio Rep. on C-Span.
I just watched Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), passionately express his support for HCR, his frustration with it, and most importantly, I just watched him take aim after aim not at his own and to what purpose, but at the best target, the GOP. I used to be a Kucinich supporter, complete with donations to his campaign, but this whole episode has turned me off from him entirely. If he is voting yes, I'm sure it will not be before he gives a long, public tirade about the Democratic Party. So be it. It's a free country.

But it's good that you're sticking with your guy.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:00 PM
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18. I'm actually standing with the everyday American. They deserve
the best solutions. Why couldn't at least for all those tax dollars and new customers the insurance companies get, the people couldn't at least get everyone covered or the states get the right to set up their own system.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:06 PM
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20. Yes, the states do get the right to set up their own system. Bernie Sanders put in the language.
Edited on Tue Mar-16-10 09:16 PM by quiet.american
It's already in the passed version of the Senate bill, and was one of the things Sanders was excited about accomplishing.

Tim Ryan was very strong about driving home the point that this legislation is not finished just because it passes. He has vowed to work year after year in expanding it and making it more progressive.

edited to add: As I understand it, there's nothing preventing states from setting up single payer right now. I came across several states that do have current legislation in place to do so (Minnesota, California, Illinois and others); but as I understand it, the language in the bill allows States to qualify to receive federal subsidies starting in 2017 if they put a single payer system into place.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:18 PM
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25. They scrapped the Kucinich amendment even though it passed
committee in the House. Without it, the insurance companies can sue states that try to set one up. So it's doubtful we will.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:28 PM
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29. I think one of the reasons it was scrapped was because it didn't offer the federal subsidies --
-- and didn't standardize the quality of care, so there was the potential for the 'race to the bottom' scenario amidst states.

Not sure about the assertion that insurance companies can sue, but what they would put at stake by doing so would be their participation in federal/state exchanges (I would imagine). Not sure why that would be worth it to them, but I'm not sure it would prevent single payer from being set up, especially since this provision is not yet in place and some states are already starting to set up single payer.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:53 PM
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16. Norman Solomon today:
Norman Solomon
Cold war liberals went witch-hunting against "premature anti-fascists" sixty years ago; reminds me of how Dennis Kucinich is now under attack for being, in effect, a "post-mature pro-public-optionist." Some of the same forces (e.g. MoveOn) that spent all last year touting a public option as essential are now attacking Kucinich for his insistence on a public option............
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:08 PM
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21. leave it to Norman
He has a way with words. That's why I've always liked to read his stuff.
Well said.

thanks!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:03 PM
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19. Yes, I agree, he is!
That is why the "grandstanding" talking point is repeated endlessly,
It's an attempt to cast him as a shallow, ego driven grandstander, as opposed to a man committed to the people and democratic principles, which he really is.

Don't worry they really are in the minority here. In fact I don't remember seeing many of them as passionate in their hatred for any Republican, but maybe I just didn't notice. :shrug:

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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:10 PM
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22. +1
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:15 PM
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24. K&R. Many DUers feel the same, despite the vocal minority. (nt)
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:20 PM
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26. "the vocal minority" - LOL!
That's some funny stuff, there. :rofl:
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:25 PM
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28. If Dennis is fighting for me, I wish he'd stop--I need that bill.
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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 12:19 AM
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30. How'd you know I was wearing pajamas?!?
:hide:
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