Let's wait to see what Kucinich say's tomorrow -

[jonathon]

If they got to him....then, I don't hold out any hope at all for this political system.

And, I am so done with this whole game.

[leftstreet]

1. It's all been theater. We just needed some vampires and bomb diffusers

we'd a had a blockbuster

[AnOhioan]

2. If Dennis caved without getting something in return....

Then the system has won

[quiller4]

3. I don't know who you mean by "they" but I sure hope Dennis is

a "yes" vote. I know that many of his friends and supports from Labor in Ohio have called to try and convince him today.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

4. Probably the freemasons.

The same "they" that made Elliot Spitzer use prostitutes, "Johnny" Edwards cheat on his cancer stricken wife and Eric Massa grope his aides.

[msanthrope]

13. Nah--the trilateral commission. n/t

[AnOhioan]

5. Funny...I called to thank him for standing up for the people

[Ozymanithrax]

6. From all reports, Kucinich finally decided to become a true progressive...

and vote for a progrssive bill.

[AnOhioan]

7. LOL Thanks for the laugh

Unless this bill ends up containing a public option, it is nothing more than an insurance company enrichment program. And, if it passes, the Dems have become lil better than the Repubs...and I shall vote accordingly.

[Ozymanithrax]

10. Clearly, Kucinich and now about evey other elect progressive...

do not accept that premise.

The people voting against it are all blue dogs and Goppers.

[AnOhioan]

14. Dennis has not said either way...tomorrow he will say

And I am betting that if he is voting yes, it means that he fought for and got something to make a bad bill palatable.

[jonathon]

16. Maybe the ERISA changes to allow states to do single payer without being sued by insurance companies

If the amendment is in the bill, it would allow states to do single payer -

Wait and see.

[dflprincess]

21. How can the states do this?

Even the ones who might want to are so strapped for cash they're cutting services of all kinds to the bone.

State by state would be better than nothing but it would sure suck to live in one the states that would be among the last to finally, if ever, do it.

If Obama was so hell bent on saving the insurance companies he could have pushed a model like Hawaii's. The private insurers are still in the game there, but well regulated and, because most the population is insured, the rates are some of the lowest in the country.

[Ozymanithrax]

18. If he got someting even better added to the bill that is great.

[jonathon]

9. Oh give me a break. Now this is a progressive bill?

The health insurance wetdream and mafiaoso drug company bill is a progressve bill, now.

DU has officially lost its mind.

[pnwmom]

15. Compared to standing still it is. It's moving forward. The next step

is a public option, but this helps in the meantime.

[twitomy]

17. You obviously havent figured gotten the memo:

Pile 'O Shit = BAD!!

Pile 'O Shit(D) = GOOD!

[AnOhioan]

19. Ain't it the unfortunate truth +1

[Ozymanithrax]

20. No, a bill that brigns health care to 30 million, increases the number of people ...

avaialbe to get Medicaide, a bill that ends the refusal of health care due ot pre-existing conditions, and many other things is a good bill becaue it helps real people. If Kucinich votes for he, he will show that he is a man of principal who puts the people first.

[rpannier]

22. Apparently that's not true

...a bill that ends the refusal of health care due to pre-existing conditions...

If I read the bill correctly (and Rep Phil Hare's Office Confirmed it is true) then it fines insurance companies for refusing to insure someone with a pre-existing condition. If caring for the person costs 50,000 dollars and the fine is less then the care, then it is cheaper for the insurance companies to pay the fine.

So it doesn't prevent them from doing so.
The fine is minimal

[twitomy]

23. And one thing I have wondered about

The bill says you cant refuse coverage due to pre-exisiting conditions.

But I hear nothing on the price.

Result,

Insurance Agent: "Sure you can get insurance even though you have cancer, aftera ll its the law, but your rate will be 10x higer"

Gee some improvement....

[greenbird]

24. Please explain to me

why the insurance and drug companies are fighting this so hard if this is their "wetdream" (I didn't think that was one word, but you learn something every day).

[Canuckistanian]

8. I look at it this way

Either he's satisfied his conditions have been met - or he's been pressured to vote YEA in return for "future considerations".

I don't think he's going to cave for anyone.

[pnwmom]

11. It's quite possible that he's been hearing from his constituents,

like my relatives out there, that they WANT him to vote yes.

[apocalypsehow]

12. I hear that Greyhound comin' round the bend again. Damn that driver must be plumb tuckered out. n/t.

[sufrommich]

25. Kucinich is a politician , politicians have to answer to the

people they represent. All politics is local, he doesn't represent the progressives of the US as much as he represents the people of Ohio. He would have had a tough time voting against this bill in depressed state like Ohio and still win the next election. That's what politicians do.