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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:49 PM
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NASA and the Bilbe, an email
I got this email from a RW friend—yes, I do have a few if their skins are thick enough. Following is my reply.
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NASA & THE BIBLE

Thought this was pretty amazing and interesting!!

For all the scientists out there, and for all the students who have a hard time convincing these people regarding the truth of the Bible, here's something that shows God's awesome creation, and that He is still in control.

Did you know that the space program is busy proving that what has been called "myth" in the Bible is true?

Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore, Maryland, and a consultant in the space program, relates the following development.

I think one of the most amazing things that God has done for us today happened recently to our astronauts and space scientists at Green Belt, Maryland.

They were checking out where the positions of the sun, moon, and planets would be 100 years and 1,000 years from now.. We have to know this so we won't send up a satellite and have it bump into something later on in its orbits.

We have to lay out the orbits in terms of the life of the satellite and where the planets will be so the whole thing will not bog down.

They ran the computer measurement back and forth over the centuries, and it came to a halt. The computer stopped and put up a red signal, which meant that there was something wrong with either the information fed into it or with the results as compared to the standards.

They called in the service department to check it out, and they said, 'What's wrong?' Well, they found there is a day missing in space in elapsed time. They scratched their heads and tore their hair out.. There was no answer.

Finally a Christian man on the team said, 'You know, one time I was in Sunday School, and they talked about the sun standing still.'

While they didn't believe him, they didn't have an answer either, so they said, 'Show us,'
He got a Bible and went to the book of Joshua where they found a pretty ridiculous statement for any one with 'common sense.'

There they found the Lord saying to Joshua, 'Fear them not, I have delivered them into thy hand; there shall not a man of them stand before Thee.'

Joshua was concerned because he was surrounded by the enemy and if darkness fell, they would overpower them. So Joshua asked the Lord to make the sun stand still! That's right... 'The sun stood still and the moon stayed and lasted not to go down about a whole day!' (Joshua 10:12-13)

The astronauts and scientists said, 'There is the missing day!' They checked the computers going back into the time it was written and found it was close but not close enough. The elapsed time that was missing back in Joshua's day was 23 hours and 20 minutes - not a whole day.

They read the Bible, and there it was 'about' a day. These little words in the Bible are important, but they were still in trouble because if you cannot account for 40 minutes, you'll still be in trouble 1000 years from now. Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over in orbits.

As the Christian employee thought about it, he remembered somewhere in the Bible where it said the sun went BACKWARDS. The scientists told him he was out of his mind, but they got out the Book and read these words in Second Kings that told of the following story: Hezekiah, on his death bed, was visited by the prophet Isaiah who told him that he was not going to die. Hezekiah asked for a sign as proof. Isaiah said 'Do you want the sun to go ahead 10 degrees?'

Hezekiah said, 'It is nothing for the sun to go ahead 10 degrees, but let the shadow return backward 10 degrees.' Isaiah spoke to the Lord, and the Lord brought the shadow ten degrees BACKWARD! Ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes!

Twenty-three hours and 20 minutes in Joshua, plus 40 minutes in Second Kings make the missing day in the universe! Isn't it amazing?

References: Joshua 10:8 and 12,13 and 2 Kings 20:9-11.
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Reply:

Friend, you are so vulnerable to anything you want to believe. NASA and the Bible is fiction. Just like Jesus being conceived without a man, dying and then getting up and walking around. Bless your dear sweet heart, you are so gullible. I love you like a brother, but you're just so foolish.

I challenge your God to a contest. I haven't believed in Jesus since I gave up my first imaginary friend when I was six years old. He hasn't done anything to me yet. I'm sixty years old and if he wants to prove his existence he better get his ass in gear and show me something. So here goes one more time:

God, if you exist, smite me so Friend can say I told you so. Come on Muthafucka! Show me some shit!

I'm going out into my back yard and shouting this at the sky as soon as I get up from my computer so in case God doesn't have email he'll get the message directly from me. Please pray to God that he smites me so I can know how powerful he is. If he doesn't smite me I'll have to assume that my own super powers of perception, logic and reason have defeated him making Me more powerful than Him. If I don't get smote you can worship Me if you want, but I'll treat you just like God does; with complete indifference, so there's not much point.

Believe whatever you want as long as you don't hurt yourself or anyone else but please don't witness to me. I hold no malice toward you or Christianity but I don't have time to deal with superstition. Besides, I know more about your religion than you do.

Check it out here:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-a001.html
http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.htm
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970325g.html
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/joshualongday.shtml
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:58 PM
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1. Check the typo in your thread title, "Bilbe"
Edited on Mon Apr-30-07 10:00 PM by Fridays Child
;)

Edited to add that, if you actually answered this email, you have way more patience than me!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:15 PM
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6. Yeah, the second 'b' should be a 'g'.
NT!

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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:50 PM
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9. Believers of the world, untie!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:03 PM
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2. "Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore" does not exist.
Can't believe this antique Christospamfiction is still being sent around.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:08 PM
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12. Wasn't "Professor" Harold Hill the name of the
con man from The Music Man?

I shouldn't know this.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:21 PM
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15. The magic Google screen says "yes". That thing knows EVERYTHING. nm
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:04 PM
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3. You're a bit more belligerent than I would be...
...but that's your call.

My own preferred tactic is to remind them that they have a commandment against "bearing false witness", so why are they doing so?
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:06 PM
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4. Also check out these websites.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:11 PM
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5. I ask them "why does god hate amputees?"...
He will cure blindness, leprosy, all sorts of cancers, cataracts, and corns, lumbago, the rheumatis, heart disease and lupus, warts and lesions, but never once, NOT ONCE, has he ever, despite all the rightous prayers offered up in all of eternity, ever once cured an amputee.

What did amputees ever do to you god?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:19 PM
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7. Why do these whackjobs...
Make suck a fuss about putting The Ten Commandments everywhere, including in your underware, and then reduce them to nine every chance they get?

What is is about the "false witness" one that makes them ignore it?
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:46 PM
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8. This has all the hallmarks of a typical right wing email spam
I can spot them from across the room.

  • It looks like it was crafted by a frustrated Readers Digest contributor

  • because everything must either be put into bullet point form

  • or at least restricted to two lines at a time because you must
    remember your intended audience has the attention span

  • of a sheep, not to mention the willingness to be led astray by

  • crap like this
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 10:53 PM
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10. I feel really stupid...
I only read the Snopes debunk. I thought the sun always stood still.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:00 PM
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11. I don't get many moronic emails like that, but when I do, I suggest
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:59 PM
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17. I love that web site.
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:10 PM
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13. Saw that one way back in the Reagan years.
I don't recall the names, but the gist of the message was the same.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:19 PM
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14. LMFAO, it was debunked by Snopes in 2000 and is still making the rounds. Those fundies... LOL
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 11:38 PM
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16. Poor guy. He was filled with such enthusiasm over this story
It's a shame about reality.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:02 AM
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18. 10 steps, not 10 degrees
In 2 Kings 20:10, my King James version only mentions "10 steps", as in "and he brought the shadow back ten steps, by which the sun had declined on the dial of Ahaz."

I don't think there were any scientific measuring devices back then to accurate record the degrees of transit of the sun "going backwards".

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