For a year I was treated as a crappy democrat because I had supported perceived 'bad' Democrats

[LynneSin]

I support Obama so I was treated as a bad democrat by certain DUers
I supported Pelosi so I was treated as a bad democrat by certain DUers
I wanted Martha Coakley to win so I was treated as a bad democrat by certain DUers
I was upset that the Public Option/Medicare Buy-in was dropped but still supported HCR so I was treated as a bad democrat by certain DUers
I said I would still vote straight democrat even for those who did not support the public option and I was treated bad by certain DUers
I criticized those certain DUers who suggested not voting or voting 3rd party against 'bad dems' and I was treated as a bad democrat by those same DUers

Everyday those dems would flock together to get their pro-Kucinich threads on the DU homepage. It got to the point that I changed my homepage from the DU Home Page to the Lounge because it was so annoying to see 5 threads on the DU homepage talking about how great Kucinich was and how bad we DUers & democrats were that would support HCR without the public option.

I was made out to be less of a democrat by people who felt that Kucinich was some sort of demi-god that was light-years better than other democrats.

Guess what, Kucinich is just like 90% of the other democrats in DC (mind you, 10% are just hopeless causes like Lincoln, Bayh, Nelson of NE, Stupak and a few others). Yet these same DUers that worship Kucinich now make excuses for his 'YES' vote for healthcare. Some are real stretch like "Oh but he was the last one so he made his point" - guess what he voted 'YES' doesn't matter if he was first or last.

Now mind you, I'm not anti-Kucinich. I think he's a great guy and wish he'd run for that open senate seat in Ohio. I'd probably even send him a few campaign dollars for that race. But I'm not for treating other DUers like shit just because their democrats don't match up to your democrats. To me there is only one perfect democrat that supports 100% of my ideas and the rest are a compromise - and that's me.

I am proud that I am a democrat and I'm glad that Kucinich did try hard for the public option. I'd like to think that he,along with many others, are working on round #2 of Health Care Reform that will add a public option.

But for some of you - karma is a bitch. Maybe next time realize we are all on the same team and that we can disagree but that doesn't make one any better or any worse than the other.

*gets off her soapbox*

BTW, I'd like to think that by this time next week perhaps we can move on from this and learn to play a bit nicer with each other. I had to get this rant off my chest but after today it's time to move-on - all of us.

[dionysus]

1. .

:patriot:

[grantcart]

2. Ironically there is little disagreement here on the substance of the issue

We all want single payer.

We are simply divided by tactical and strategic choices that we are forced to make.

Those choices can almost universally be traced to the diminishing representative nature of the US Senate.

They have succeeded in dividing us where in reality we are in broad agreement.

Shame on us.

[aquart]

12. Agreed.

And what a good job they did of it, too.

[JohnnyLib2]

3. Well said.

[rudy23]

4. You poor victim. I never saw Kucinich threads that weren't in response to 50 threads attacking him

I'm not even crazy about Kucinich--not in his district. I still had to start many threads defending him b/c I saw attacks on Kucinich as attacks on the entire progressive majority of the party.

I've never seen those pro-Kucinich threads you're talking about when they weren't preceded by days of attacks on him for something he said that contradicted the DLC party line.

[LynneSin]

6. I started some of those...

and then was treated like a bad democrat because I did.

I'm not saying my shit doesn't stick - I'm saying that their shit stinks just as much as mine, even though they acted otherwise.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. Very well said!

And I agree with you...

BTW, I have it on good authority that Dennis will run for the Senate one of these days...

So, have your money ready!

K&R

:hug:

[sufrommich]

7. I agree and good post. nt

[frazzled]

8. Well, it was never about the public option for K

Remember, he voted against the House HCR bill, which contained a public option.

I still can't figure out what it was about. But I'm glad he's on board. Aside from persuasion from President Obama and Speaker Pelosi, I think he found out this last week that most Democrats, including those in his district, are like more like you and me ... and that they wanted SOMETHING more than more of the unsustainable, reckless, and worsening same.

[LynneSin]

9. Just because a Civil Rights bill was passed in 1964 doesn't Civil Rights issue is all fixed

We still have a long way to go with making this country equal amongst all it's citizen but what was passed in 1964 was a very good start.

I'd like to say the same with Health Care reform in 2010

[frazzled]

19. Absolutely ... and if there hadn't been an (inadequate) Civil Rights bill in 1957

there would never had been a CIvil Rights Act of 1964. And we're still working on it.

The work of "perfecting the union" is ongoing, and may never be wholly accomplished. (Just as in our own lives, our quest to become better never ends, and is never wholly achieved). It's a work-in-progress, and each brushstroke added to the canvas helps to create the picture.

[newspeak]

36. you know, I keep seeing that repeated

He voted against a very watered down PO that some (emphasis SOME) people may have been able to participate in. He knew that it was geared for failure. So, you can repeat it all you like--it was a shitty PO option.

Let me know how far this country is going to go on privatizing the shite out of everything. It's a repuke dream. Prisons, military, Medicare part D, DL in some states, security. Do you think privatizing anything has done better than the government doing it? Yeah, they can pay cheaper with little or no benefits, so they can make a profit-they can bribe public officials to send business their way (prisons), they can feed our troops shitty food and tainted drinking water while making a bundle. And, the best part is they are hardly held accountable or responsible while bilking billions from us.

Rah, rah we win!!! What have we won? Repuke bills, like Poppy's NAFTA, deform welfare, now the new and improved privatized insurance bailout brought to you with your tax dollars.

I will never again vote for repuke light. And, it will be a cold day in Hades before I ever ever vote for a lying, warmongering, greedy, repuke!

[LoZoccolo]

10. For five years I was treated as a crappy rock fan because I like Oasis. n/t

[LynneSin]

11. Um, you still are

but we adore you anyways

:pals:

[LoZoccolo]

16. I was actually having memories this morning as I was getting ready for work.

The funniest part to me was when progmom, in her capacity as a music purchaser for a large retailer, actually took the time to go and look up the information to find out that they only sell enough Oasis to stock one of their albums. It was that important.

But I think you were the only person who went and found out what it was all about by getting an album. :pals:

[Common Sense Party]

38. No, you're a crappy Democrat because you like Oasis.

:hide:

[WI_DEM]

13. Many of those attacking you are really not democrats. This board is full of people who are not

democrats.

[Texasgal]

14. Perfectly well stated post!

RECOMMENDED.

[readmoreoften]

15. So now you and Kucinich are both wrong. We were wrong about Kucinich. Not about this crappy plan.

As if the Obama supporters don't treat people like shit on this site.

[LynneSin]

17. Or perhaps Kucinich realized this was a good first step with Health Care reform...

and that he, along with many many others including many of us here at DU, will start plotting new legislation for Public Option/Medicare buy-in.

[Lerkfish]

23. doubtful realisitcally, I think he was arm-twisted politically behind the scenes to conform.

all you had to do was look around DU and see the political pressure against him. It was intense.

[LynneSin]

24. Kucinich never seemed like a guy who would give-in to arm twisting...

I thought that was his 'thing'.

[Lerkfish]

30. Yet you wanted him to give in, no?

the right wing of the democratic party pressured him to cave, and then they criticize him for giving in to their own pressure.


lovely.

[LynneSin]

42. Actually I really don't care what the guy did

And this was less about Kucinich and more about how some of us were treated because we weren't considered pure enough for the Kucinich Fan Club members.

Point is - all our shit stinks equally!

[readmoreoften]

31. Yes it was a "big sudden revelation" after Obama's threat to withdraw support from campaigns.

Overnight he had a spiritual awakening :eyes:

[Javaman]

18. Why was Dennis' vote so needed anyway? That simple thing, I don't understand. tn

[mmonk]

20. Give me a break. I've been called everything in the book here.

It happens to alot of people when there are contentious issues and posts. You're a fine Democrat and so are many I have disagreed with honestly.

[Lerkfish]

21. well

everyone has an opinion.

its easy to say your perception is wrong, and its the people on the other side that have been non-democrats.

Which is also true.

the point is, the right wing of the democratic party considers themselves true democrats, and the left wing of the party considers themselves true democrats.

the only way to tell is whether one espouses policies that strengthen the people or weaken them.

compromises and capitulations and "lesser of two evils" will weaken the people.

[LynneSin]

25. Only true democrat is ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!

:hide:

(BTW, I have always subscribed to the big tent theory for our party)

[Lerkfish]

28. did you even read my post?

or are you trying to be funny intentionally?

[LynneSin]

29. I used the *hide* smiley

I was ducking from everyone for that snarky comment.

:pals:

[Lerkfish]

32. ah, ok then, my bad.

:)

[LynneSin]

34. Maybe I should have used the sarcasm

Honestly, there is only one perfect dem in my book and that is me. Every democrat I have supported has done at least one :wtf: vote in their lifetime. I stopped voting single issues in general elections ages ago because honestly, it only helps republicans get elected. Instead I use the primaries to vote on my pet causes - use it to find who best mirrors what I represent but in the end, after the fights are fought in the primaries, I will vote straight-D in the general election. Because even on a democrats absolutely worst day and a republican's absolutely best day - the democrat is always the better choice.

[spoony]

44. Your entire OP was me me me me. nt

[QC]

57. There are 31 first person pronouns in your OP. n/t

[SidDithers]

22. K&R...

good post.

Sid

[Prism]

26. You'll somehow live

For over a year now, the entire LGBT community has been slapped around like a red-headed stepchild because we won't keep quiet about our equality and the promises this president made. You got called names?

If only.

A huge chunk of our community was banned from this message board and we're still not allowed to really talk about it.

You got called names?

You're getting off very, very light methinks.

Some of us are persona non grata because we have the sheer cheek to support and demand what Candidate Obama promised us he, too, supported and demanded.

I'm sorry for the unpleasantness you're experiencing, but some of us aren't just coping with some words on a message board. Many of us are having our very lives left in the dust.

I think you will survive your ordeal intact.

A lot of people in my community aren't. Not on a message board, not in life.

[LynneSin]

27. point very well taken

:D

Maybe the moral to my story is we are all good democrats.

[Prism]

33. You took that very well

Maybe we are, maybe we aren't. I do think we're putting our party far ahead of principle right now, and that we will ultimate regret it in the same way we now see the damage of NAFTA and other major Democratic initiatives from the 90s.

In the moment of partisan politics, that win can eclipse everything. It can become the most important thing. It can suck all the oxygen out of the room.

I wish I had the faith that we're getting something really good here - and I want good health care for all Americans.

But I cannot help but feel we're seeing a grand mistake, one that we will look back on in fifteen years and wonder "How did we go along with that?"

If I'm wrong about that, it will be a happy wrong.

Hope your St. Patricks Day is going well.

[LynneSin]

35. I do see a good step forward with the health care reform

From several of my posts I've used the Civil Rights as an example of how change doesn't happen over night but thru a series of legislation throughtout the years. HCR is a good step forward, there are many positive changes that will help curb some bad practices by the insurance companies. But nowhere do I see this as the end of HCR just like Civil Rights reform didn't end back in 1964.

We can always make it better! Just like we still have Civil Rights issues (like Gay rights which is woefully horrible), we still have Health Care Reform issues that need to be addressed. So for me I'm proud of where we got and look forward to what we can do next.

[Prism]

37. To put it in crude metaphor form

I feel like the engine block is cracked right down the middle, and our politicians are sitting there fiddling with the alternator.

It isn't just forest for the trees. It's more like continent for the pebbles. I just cannot wrap my mind around the idea that we're suffering the greatest economic collapse in eighty years, and this is what our majority has to show for it.

It blows me away.

[Beetwasher]

39. Hey! That Wasn't In Caps!

YOU LOSE! :P

[ourbluenation]

40. well said. this is a very judgmental place at times. n/t

[LynneSin]

41. Well I think we all have a tendency to be judgement, even me sometimes

I'd like to think after we all get our beef off of our chest that we can move forward together as one.

[spoony]

43. "Now that I've got the last word and scolded you, let's have a truce and move on"

How generous of you to offer.

[saracat]

45. But many of us still are treated as"bad"Democrats for not supporting legislation we believe is bad

and for not thinking the world revolves around unquestioning support of any Democratic politician. And we will still be treated nastily no matter what happens.I hope that you are right but considering there iseems little forgiveness for any who did not supporet a favored primary candidate, though they supported the Democratic nominee, I doubt some will ever move on.

[Bobbie Jo]

46. Nicely done.

K&R :kick:

[Forkboy]

47. "We're all on the same team...but let me kick you in the head one more time."

[pecwae]

48. More than one of those today.

[LynneSin]

49. I'd share my ice pack but my head still hurts from all the time it's been kicked

Yeah, it's bad today. Perhaps we're just venting after a year of getting it dumped on us.

[Forkboy]

50. Like you're the only one. Cut the victimization shit and grow up.

[LynneSin]

51. Why - you just did it with your first post

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

52. You led with the OP.

Get a mirror, and then wonder why your classless post was met with the response I gave.

[LynneSin]

54. One of the few

I'm tired of DUers holding up yardsticks assuming theirs are the only ones viable for measuring what is and isn't a true democrat. For one year those of us who still believe in the party, still believe in Obama and still pull the big "D" lever at the general election were made to be inferior by these holier-than-thou purists who thought people like Kucinich was the greatest thing since sliced bread (and btw this is not about Kucinich himsef - just his supporters).

In the end he voted with the rest of us which goes to show that NO ONE has the right to judge other. But for a few days some of us are going to say our piece about the bullshit attitude we have been getting. You don't like it - hide my thread, mute me, do whatever you want. But the moral of this story is simple - Karma is a bitch. People rolled the dice that Kucinich was going to lead them to the promise land and he was no different than the others.

All of this will die down in a few days but I'm hoping in the future we'll all toss away our yardsticks and stop trying to judge DUers on can wear the 'progressive/liberal/democrat/dino/etc' badge.

[harun]

53. I like what you said but don't understand your point about Kucinich

being like 90% of other Dem's.

When you say:

Guess what, Kucinich is just like 90% of the other democrats in DC (mind you, 10% are just hopeless causes like Lincoln, Bayh, Nelson of NE, Stupak and a few others). Yet these same DUers that worship Kucinich now make excuses for his 'YES' vote for healthcare. Some are real stretch like "Oh but he was the last one so he made his point" - guess what he voted 'YES' doesn't matter if he was first or last.

It absolutely matters if you are first or last to support something. On many of the good bills Kucinich is first. It took him about 5 min's to sign on to Graysons Medicare Buy-in. He will introduce debate like talking about pulling troops out of Afghanistan. Do you think 90% of other Democrat's would do that? Not one of them would do it but Dennis did do it and would do it again without question.

I don't worship Dennis I just know he starts from a stand on principles and beliefs that I share. He starts there and does everything he can to fight for those. Whether he voted no or yes on the current HC package I would still support him. I know he puts more energy in to fighting for what is right in one day in Washington than I do in a year. That is enough for me to always have his back.

90% of other Dem's start from a far different position. The model they follow is: what can I do to bring in the most campaign contributions while still getting enough votes to be re-elected. I have never heard Dennis say anything to make me think he followed that model nor have any of his actions suggested to me he follows that model.

[LynneSin]

55. No one is going to remember who started it first - just how did it finish

No one remembers who might have scored the first run of the game, they just remember who made the game winner. So unless you're the first ever to do something huge like walk on the moon or fly a plane across an ocean - they're just going to remember who did it last.

[harun]

58. Well we need some people in Congress to introduce this stuff

or it will never be considered. We get bills like this considered because of the Conyers, Kucinich's, Grayson's, Feingold's and Sander's of the world.

[LynneSin]

59. And that's very true

But very rarely do these kinds of legislation make it thru the end without some sort of major altering. So ultimately it does matter what comes out in the end.

[girl gone mad]

56. Get a spine and get a grip.

I never got an apology when you used the more cowbell animated gif that I made for years, without ever asking permission, speaking of karma..

[LynneSin]

60. You are PURE evil reincarnated

:rofl:

You made that - I thought I found it somewhere on the internet.

My bad

:cry: