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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:02 PM
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Grayson: PO -"NOW"- Medicare Expansion Act, with 70-(UPDATE 74)-Co-Sponsors
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 01:28 PM by kpete
Source: Daily Kos

Grayson's Medicare Expansion Act, with 70-Co-Sponsors
COSPONSORS(74), ALPHABETICAL
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR04789:@@@P
by primarydoc

Wed Mar 17, 2010 at 10:24:07 AM PDT

per DemocracyNow

I don't know if the FCC can handle this kind of awesomeness on the intertubes.

Amy Goodman AND Alan Grayson:

*****With the Democrat-led push for healthcare reform in its final stages, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) introduces "The Public Option Act," a measure that would allow people under sixty-five to buy into Medicare. The bill has attracted fifty co-sponsors. Grayson joins us to discuss the measure and healthcare reform overall, his own family’s experience with private insurance companies and more.


Watch the interview yourself (transcript on the same page)
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/17/rep_alan_graysons_medicare_you_can
Oh, and $10 says Rep Grayson posts a diary this afternoon.

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Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/17/13219/2450



Oh, and $10 says Rep Grayson posts a diary this afternoon.

teaser excerpt:

...........

REP. ALAN GRAYSON: I’ve introduced a simple three-and-a-half-page bill that opens up Medicare to anybody who wants it. If you want it and you pay for it, it’s yours. It’s that simple. It’s open to everybody under the age of sixty-five, whether or not you’re handicapped. And you pay the same amount as other people your age would pay.

And the reason to do this is because we need a public option. We need an option that doesn’t involve putting us at the tender mercies of insurance companies, particularly if there’s a mandate to do so. A lot of people feel that there is a fundamental conflict of interest between themselves and private insurance companies. The private insurance companies make money by denying you the care that you need to be healthy, and sometimes to stay alive. And a lot of people are just sick of it.

So the way to get beyond that is to open up Medicare, which is now available to only one-eighth of the population, to anybody who’s willing to pay for it. And it makes perfect sense when you think about it. I mean, we don’t say the federal highways are only open to senior citizens. And the Medicare provider network is an enormously valuable, expensive thing that we’ve created with federal tax dollars that ought to be open to everyone, not just seniors.

AMY GOODMAN: And how does this fit into the major piece of legislation that will or—I don’t know would even pass—won’t be voted on by the House?

REP. ALAN GRAYSON: My hope was that we would vote not only on the Senate bill, which doesn’t have a public option, not only on the reconciliation amendment, which probably will not have a public option, but that we’d also vote on this, that there’d be three votes instead of two votes. And if we voted on this and we passed it, then it would be presented to the Senate and subject to reconciliation in the Senate, so that we could end up with a public option.

AMY GOODMAN: Now?

REP. ALAN GRAYSON: Now.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/17/rep_alan_graysons_medicare_you_can
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:13 PM
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1. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could be against this.
It won't be cheap, but at least it would be a start. People who could afford and would want the security of buying in to Medicare early could do that. The early adopters would help the system prepare to handle more people. Over time you could build it up to be an affordable alternative for people, eventually covering the majority of people.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:31 PM
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4. wrong place
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 01:38 PM by ooglymoogly
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:12 AM
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16. It HAS to be cheaper than a comparable policy in the private market.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:04 AM
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24. An unsubsidized Medicare premium would be WAY more expensive
than a subsidized private plan offered through the exchange. Almost no one could afford it, and few would elect the option.
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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:05 PM
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28. What does it mean to buy in "at cost"?
We all are already supporting Medicare through our taxes, so the cost in a sense is already paid. We've already bought in. But if more people opt into the pool, then the total expenditures paid out by Medicare would increase, so the additional expenditures would have to be covered somehow. And if those expenditures are not covered by an increase in taxes, then they would have to be covered separately by the individuals who are opting in, which I expect would be quite expensive, possibly more than ordinary insurance, since the liability isn't being distributed among a wider public. So, while Grayson's bill makes a good point, without universal coverage supported by taxes, I'm not sure it has any real substance.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:22 PM
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2. K AND R!
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:28 PM
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3. This is the only logical means of helping the American citizen.
All the other stuff is fluff and will do no-one any good.---except for the insurance companies.

I am on Medicare and also, in addition to paying for that, I buy a supplement. I cannot afford drug coverage. It totals a lot from my SS but is far better than any option I would have. I am a recent widow and recently laid off. I'd be in duck soup without Medicare.

I did pay for it all these years and do so now. It is the only fair and just solution to the rotten system we have now. I've been uninsured and I know what it is like. I have also had to buy individual-non-group policies . Neither are the way to go. No insurance or insurance that is too expensive to afford is no help to anyone.

To Uncle Sam: End a war or two, provide healthcare for all.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:36 PM
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5. K&R
Medicare for all.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:40 PM
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6. This is most simply a black and white proposal. There are not the infinitesimal shades of gray
to muck around in, to make it meaningless while pretending to make it better and to finally kill it. It therefore will not be given any legs to sprint through congress; For if given the slightest chance, sprint it will, with millions cheering with bull horns on the sidelines.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:41 PM
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7. I just called my rep, Brad Sherman, to ask why he hasn't signed it yet
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:45 PM
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8. How many does he need to get Nancy to take him seriously?
Because we need to start bugging our reps to get this ball rolling.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 02:32 PM
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9. Even if it doesn't surivive, I like the idea of it being there going in
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 02:33 PM by rocktivity
If we end up with a reform with no public option of any kind--not even a signing statement--Obama will have met his Waterloo indeed. The bill as it stands now is better than what we've got, but it doesn't address the reason why we have a health care crisis in the first place.

I prefer single payer, Medicare for all, and a public option simply because they are fiscally, morally, and for Obama and the Dems, politically responsible. Do we continue to get people get sicker than they need to so that a couple of insurance companies continue to make money?


rocktivity
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 05:26 AM
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10. COSPONSORS(77), ALPHABETICAL --- 77
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:18:./temp/~bdZ5m5:@@@P

List of 77 co-sponsors:

Rep Baldwin, Tammy - 3/16/2010
Rep Berkley, Shelley - 3/11/2010
Rep Brown, Corrine - 3/11/2010
Rep Capuano, Michael E. - 3/16/2010
Rep Carson, Andre - 3/16/2010
Rep Castor, Kathy - 3/17/2010
Rep Chu, Judy - 3/16/2010
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. - 3/16/2010
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 3/16/2010
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel - 3/16/2010
Rep Cohen, Steve - 3/16/2010
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 3/11/2010
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 3/11/2010
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 3/11/2010
Rep DeGette, Diana - 3/16/2010
Rep Delahunt, Bill - 3/17/2010
Rep Doyle, Michael F. - 3/16/2010
Rep Edwards, Donna F. - 3/9/2010
Rep Ellison, Keith - 3/11/2010
Rep Engel, Eliot L. - 3/16/2010
Rep Farr, Sam - 3/16/2010
Rep Filner, Bob - 3/9/2010
Rep Frank, Barney - 3/9/2010
Rep Fudge, Marcia L. - 3/11/2010
Rep Garamendi, John - 3/16/2010
Rep Green, Al - 3/11/2010
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 3/11/2010
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 3/11/2010
Rep Hall, John J. - 3/11/2010
Rep Hare, Phil - 3/11/2010
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 3/11/2010
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 3/11/2010
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. - 3/16/2010
Rep Holt, Rush D. - 3/11/2010
Rep Honda, Michael M. - 3/16/2010
Rep Israel, Steve - 3/16/2010
Rep Jackson Lee, Sheila - 3/9/2010
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. - 3/11/2010
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice - 3/11/2010
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. - 3/11/2010
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 3/11/2010
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. - 3/11/2010
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. - 3/16/2010
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 3/9/2010
Rep Lee, Barbara - 3/11/2010
Rep Lewis, John - 3/11/2010
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 3/11/2010
Rep McDermott, Jim - 3/11/2010
Rep McGovern, James P. - 3/11/2010
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. - 3/11/2010
Rep Moran, Jerry - 3/16/2010
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 3/11/2010
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. - 3/11/2010
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 3/16/2010
Rep Olver, John W. - 3/11/2010
Rep Payne, Donald M. - 3/16/2010
Rep Pierluisi, Pedro R. - 3/11/2010
Rep Pingree, Chellie - 3/9/2010
Rep Polis, Jared - 3/9/2010
Rep Rangel, Charles B. - 3/11/2010
Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 3/16/2010
Rep Sablan, Gregorio - 3/11/2010
Rep Sanchez, Loretta - 3/11/2010
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. - 3/9/2010
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol - 3/9/2010
Rep Speier, Jackie - 3/16/2010
Rep Sutton, Betty - 3/11/2010
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. - 3/16/2010
Rep Tonko, Paul D. - 3/16/2010
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 3/11/2010
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 3/11/2010
Rep Waters, Maxine - 3/11/2010
Rep Watson, Diane E. - 3/9/2010
Rep Weiner, Anthony D. - 3/11/2010
Rep Welch, Peter - 3/17/2010
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 3/11/2010
Rep Wu, David - 3/11/2010
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 06:30 PM
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37. Oops! Now I see my Reps name at the top of the list. Called and gave staffer
an earful today. He was quite pleasant. I did thank him though for his time and wasn't belligerent (sp?) or anything.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:07 AM
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11. kickin' this for the morning folks.....
:thumbsup: :hi: :kick: :fistbump: :yourock: :woohoo: :applause: :patriot:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:33 AM
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12. I still don't understand who this would help.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 07:33 AM by tritsofme
The cost of an unsubsidized Medicare premium would be prohibitively expensive for almost everyone, and for probably close to 100% of today's uninsured.

It would make much more sense to go to the exchange and choose a more affordable subsidized plan.

His process is lacking a bit too, the bill would need to be included in the reconciliation package to be considered under reconciliation rules in the Senate. This third bill as a standalone would not be eligible.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:19 AM
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17. This is more of a "start" than that piece of shit Senate bill and probably.......
........a lot cheaper to boot. I know that it has zero chance of passage, probably will not get to the floor for a vote.
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:59 AM
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19. I'd rather subsidize
Medicare for people who can't afford it than private for-profit health insurance.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:55 AM
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22. I feel the same way.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 11:22 AM by avaistheone1
We will get better health care in the end if we support Medicare, versus the greedy profit-making insurance companies.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:01 AM
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23. This bill does not do that
It does not put a public option in the exchange, it does not offer subsidies.

I'm not sure if it's meant to benefit anyone, or if it is just part of a PR campaign.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:22 AM
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25. I think we both were using the word subsidize loosely.
Perhaps the better word to have used would be "support". I would strongly prefer to have my money (health insurance premiums) in a system supporting Medicare - as opposed to having my premiums supporting profit-making health insurance companies.

IMO
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:56 AM
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26. I'm using the term to mean something specific.
Plans in the exchange will be subsidized based on income. Current Medicare beneficiaries do not pay for the full cost of coverage, the benefit is highly subsidized.

This plan would allow people to pay the unsubsidized rate for Medicare coverage, and most people would be priced out immediately. It would be far more expensive than any plan offered in the exchange.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:01 PM
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30. This is what can keep costs down. Real competition with a sizable pool and yearly budgetary
attention by Congress.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:04 PM
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31. If no one can afford the premium
How could this bill have any overall impact on costs?
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:17 PM
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35. Yes, it is not a solution in itself. Many people could afford medicare premiums, and would prefer
to deny for-profit-insurers a cut. Those of us who outsourcing has forced into 1099 employment, for instance would move. The smaller the for-profit insurers share of the business the less their influence. Medicare is an effective and low cost administration system. The more we run things through Medicare the closer we are to true single payer. That would be Reform.

There is still work to do toward your concerns, but this is a building block toward world-standard healthcare which the president's bill is not.
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:58 AM
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13. Only 77? ...I think it's clear that CONGRESS is full of WIMPS & SELLOUTS (to healthcare for-profits)
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 08:36 AM by thotzRthingz
220 HOUSE members passed a bill which included the PUBLIC OPTION. When the SENATE refused to go along, 120 HOUSE members called on REID to use reconciliation to pass it ( since 50+ Senators would support such a move... ref: http://whipcongress.com )

Now we're down to less than 100 HOUSE members (and who knows how FEW Senators) who would boldly follow Alan Grayson's lead? All I can say is that apparently the many many MILLION$ of dollars, which have been (and will be) expended by health care industry FOR-PROFITS, mean more to those in CONGRESS, than does the WILL of the American people (a clear majority of whom favor a public option, at minimum).
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:02 AM
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14. p.s. K&R (n/t)
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:05 AM
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15. This is the bill ALL liberals should be behind, the hell with that.................
.............piece of shit insurance giveaway. This really is something that can be built on.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:32 AM
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18. K&R . //nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:06 AM
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20. This way, those who really wish to give 15-20 dollars out
of each hundred spent on their kid's health to buy new golden place settings for Humana can do so, and those that wish to spend more of that money on actual health care can go public.
This way, those of you who are profit over people can put your families where your mouth is.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 10:02 AM
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21. Calling my congress critter again.
He is a good progressive and I can't understand why his name is not on this list.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:56 AM
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27. dennis-bad......alan-good
where`s the mighty kos and his army attacking grayson?
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:09 PM
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34. They're both good but Alan is also fun to watch.
Kucinich just makes the brain gap too obvious, and he makes me despair for the country. Alan gives me hope that the even the stupids might understand his message. Obama used to give me hope, but now I know we were the stupids. I hope Grayson has more durable hope.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 01:59 PM
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29. My rep MA-2 wasn't on the list - I just left a message asking why not?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. I called my congress critter's office Pete Stark's office.
His staffperson said he had not taken a position yet.

How long are we expected to wait?
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:39 AM
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38. RICHARD "free ride to Ireland" NEAL, MA-2 doesn't know if they're accepting sponsors - pathetic
Calls to all three offices resulted in "i dunno" - The Washington office added that they weren't sure Grayson was accepting any more cosponsors. With dynamic leadership like that in congress, I can only hope that the seat MA loses in the redistricting is his.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:07 PM
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32. kick -signed and done!
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 02:50 PM
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36. Grayson for President in 2012
Yeah, I don't like Obama. But it's fair because he doesn't like "leftists" like me. Game on.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:59 PM
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39. Update: Co-sponsors now = 80
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