If health care fails......

[johncoby2]

It will be a decade or more before we have the opportunity again.
So for those holding out, hold on to your damn principals and watch it fail.

It is amazing. We were given control of the house and senate with a 60-40 rule and yet we manage to screw it up.

If the republicans had the house and a 60-40 Senate, Social Security would be gone. Medicare would be gone. The EPA gone.

so hold on to your damn principals and line up behind kucinich.

Then wait 10 years for another chance at health care reform.

[dflprincess]

1. Yeah, we have a huge majority in the House and a 59*-41 majority in the Senate

and this insurance scam is the "best" they could do. Whether this passes or not it will be years before they actually take up the issue of reforming how we access health care.

*59 counting Bernie Sanders & Liebermann

[tnlefty]

8. I apologize, but I had your original title for this bill written

down at one time, but I can't seem to find it.

Incumbent Protection Act? Help me out here. I'll write it down again and I'll try to not lose it.:blush:

[dflprincess]

12. Health Insurance Company Profit Protection Act

there's also several similar titles for it floating around as well

[kenny blankenship]

13. the Guaranteed Insurance Profits Permanent Emergency Reform (GIPPER)

Reagan would be proud.

[Bluebear]

2. 'line up behind kucinich'? I don't get it, he is voting yes. or is something else wrong with him?

[nightrain]

3. if this bs bill fails, then there is an opportunity to do it better.

[skeptical cynic]

4. Since when is abandoning one's principles the high road?

Is that where eight years of George W. Bush has brought us?

Principles are disposable, dispensable, and a political liability?

Either one has principles, or one doesn't. Either one lives by those principles, or one doesn't.

Establish your own moral bottom line, but don't dictate to others.

Look at Washington. If there is a short list of what's wrong with that place, then a willingness to abandon one's principles is on that list.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. We have been watching a cluster fuck of unimaginable proportions

[Golden Raisin]

14. Mind-boggling

and of proportions that gives "Theatre of the Absurd" new meaning.

[tnlefty]

6. Uh, I'm not sure what you're trying to say...

but make no mistake that if the repukes had majorities it would be a no brainer, health insurance reform would be done.

Rep. Kucinich isn't your problem, it's the rightwing dems that are the problem.:shrug:

ETA: what the fucking A

[MrSlayer]

7. They "manage to screw it up" because they are uninterested in making it better.

They could have done anything they wanted, really went ahead with the changes we needed and they didn't do it. Because they don't want to, because they are paid not to, because they don't give a fuck about us.

They could have simply went single payer and the Republicans couldn't have done a thing about it. It wasn't even considered.
They could have brought back or enacted new financial regs to put the Wall street thieves in check. They put back nothing, not a single thing.
They could have done EFCA. Nope. Off the table.
They could have repealed or altered NAFTA, CAFTA and all the other horseshit trade agreements.
And so on and so on.

It was all there, they held all the alleged power and they did nothing except dick around.

Because they don't really call the shots. The oligarchy does, parties and politicians mean nothing, the will of the People means nothing.

We need a real revolution that is never going to happen. All that is left is to grab whatever crumbs you can.

[salguine]

9. Actually, if the Republicans had small minorities in both houses, they'd still have

rammed through whatever they wanted, because they're not pussies.

[metapunditedgy]

10. I'm not interested in how politicians draw their paychecks.

This was a planned fuck-up that screwed over Americans, and nothing can change that.

[Go2Peace]

11. If this is the best legislation we will get for 10 years people will be leaving the country

We have a hell of a lot even more important change to do our we are in for a lot of trouble.