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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:47 PM
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A Lot of Misinformation at DU Tonight.
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 10:58 PM by Emit
Perhaps the following summary and website, including the nifty side‐by‐side comparison of the health reform proposals at the link below, will be of benefit:

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act:
Summary of Coverage Provisions

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was released on November 18, 2009 and was passed by the Senate on December 24, 2009. The following summary explains key health coverage provisions in the legislation.

Individual Mandate
All individuals will be required to have health insurance, with some exceptions, beginning in 2014. Those who do not have coverage will be required to pay a yearly financial penalty of the greater of $750 per person (up to a maximum of $2,250 per family), or 2% of household income, which will be phased‐in from 2014‐2016. Exceptions will be given for financial hardship and religious objections; and to American Indians; people who have been uninsured for less than three months; if the lowest cost health plan exceeds 8% of income; and if the individual has income below the poverty level ($10,830 for an individual and $22,050 for a family of four in 2009).

Expansion of Public Programs
Medicaid will be expanded to all individuals under age 65 with incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty level ($14,404 for an individual and $29,327 for a family of four in 2009). This expansion will create a uniform minimum Medicaid eligibility threshold across states and will eliminate a current limitation of the program that prohibits most adults without dependent children from enrolling in the program today. Eligibility for Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for children will continue at their current eligibility levels until 2019. People with incomes above 133% of the poverty level will obtain coverage through the newly created state health insurance Exchanges.

�� The federal government will provide 100% federal funding for the costs of those who become newly eligible for Medicaid for three years (2014‐2016). In 2017 and 2018, states will receive an increase in the federal medical assistance percentage (FMAP) based on current state eligibility levels for adults, and then beginning in 2019, all states will receive the same FMAP increase. Different funding rules apply for Nebraska and certain states that are not eligible for the increased FMAP because they have already expanded Medicaid eligibility.

American Health Benefit Exchanges
States will create the American Health Benefits Exchanges where individuals can purchase insurance and separate exchanges for small employers to purchase insurance. These new marketplaces will provide consumers with information to enable them to choose among plans. Premium and cost‐sharing subsidies will be available to make coverage more affordable.

�� Access to Exchanges will be limited to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants and subsidies will only be available to those without other coverage or whose share of the premium for coverage offered by an employer exceeds 9.8% of their income. Small businesses with up to 100 employees can purchase coverage through the Exchange.

�� Although there will not be a public plan option in the Exchanges, the Office of Personnel Management,which administers the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program, will contract with private insurers to offer at least two multi‐state plans in each Exchange, including at least one offered by a non‐profit entity. In addition, funds will be made available to establish non‐profit, member‐run health insurance CO‐OPs in each state.

�� Plans in the Exchanges will be required to offer benefits that meet a minimum set of standards. Insurers will offer four levels of coverage that vary based on premiums, out‐of‐pocket costs, and benefits beyond the minimum required plus a catastrophic coverage plan.

�� Premium subsidies will be provided to families with incomes between 100‐400% of the poverty level (or $22,050 to $88,200 for a family of four in 2009) to help them purchase insurance through the Exchanges. These subsidies will be offered on a sliding scale basis and will limit the cost of the premium between 2% of income for those between 100‐133% of the poverty level to 9.8% of income for those between 300‐ 400% of the poverty level.

�� Cost‐sharing subsidies will also be available to people with incomes between 100‐200% of the poverty level to limit out‐of‐pocket spending.

Changes to Private Insurance
New insurance market regulations will prevent health insurers from denying coverage to people for any reason, including their health status, and from charging people more based on their health status and gender. These new rules will also require that all new health plans provide comprehensive coverage that includes at least a
minimum set of services, caps annual out‐of‐pocket spending, does not impose cost‐sharing for preventive services, and does not impose annual or lifetime limits on coverage (existing individual and employer‐sponsored plans do not have to meet the new benefit standards).

�� Health plan premiums will be allowed to vary based on age (by a 3 to 1 ratio), geographic area, tobacco use (by a 1.5 to 1 ratio), and the number of family members.

�� Health insurers will be prohibited from imposing lifetime limits on coverage and will be prohibited from rescinding coverage, except in cases of fraud.

�� Increases in health plan premiums will be subject to review before they can be implemented.

�� Young adults will be allowed to remain on their parent’s health insurance up to age 26.

�� States will be allowed to form health care choice compacts that enable insurers to sell policies in any state that participates in the compact under a single set of rules.

�� Employers that impose a waiting period for health coverage of more than 60 days will be required to pay a penalty of $600 per full‐time employee who is subject to the waiting period.

Employer Requirements
There is no employer mandate but employers with more than 50 employees will be assessed a fee of $750 per full‐time employee if they do not offer coverage and if they have at least one employee who receives a premium credit through an Exchange. Employers that do offer coverage but have at least one employee who receives a premium credit through an Exchange are required to pay the lesser of $3,000 for each employee who receives a premium credit or $750 for each full‐time employee.

�� Employers that offer coverage will be required to provide a free choice voucher to employees with incomes below 400% of the poverty level if their share of the premium cost is between 8‐9.8% of income and who choose to enroll in a plan in an Exchange. Employers that offer a free choice voucher will not be subject to the above penalty.

�� Large employers that offer coverage will be required to automatically enroll employees into the employer’s lowest cost premium plan if the employee does not sign up for employer coverage or does not opt out of coverage.

Coverage and Cost Estimates
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the bill will reduce the number of uninsured by 31 million in 2019 at a net cost of $871 billion over ten years. According to the CBO, by 2019, the bill will result in 26 million people obtaining coverage in the newly created state health insurance Exchanges, including some who previously purchased insurance on their own in the individual market. In addition, 15 million more people will enroll in Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program. The cost of the bill is financed through a combination of savings from Medicare and Medicaid and new taxes and fees. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the proposal will reduce the deficit by $132 billion over ten years.

For more information about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, see the side‐by‐side comparison of the health reform proposals at http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm.


http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8023-S.pdf

In addition, here is the 2009 POVERTY LEVEL GUIDELINES for ALL STATES (EXCEPT ALASKA AND HAWAII) AND DC, Income Guidelines as Published in the Federal Register on January 23, 2009 Annual and Monthly:

Here:
http://www.dhhs.state.nh.us/NR/rdonlyres/e7xgivwj7zrojopvtjh4rfgmf7ablliwx7gbzalbbrb2mnkkyfqxrpjnzjm6a2v5e3ioyqrmc6fdz5vceaf2jwn2kqe/Fed+Poverty+Guidelines+2009+Annual-Monthly.pdf

or Here:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.azdhs.gov%2Fphs%2Fhiv%2Fpdf%2Fadap%2FFHCE_FedPovertyLevel.pdf

edited to add link
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:50 PM
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1. Thanks and K and R, but it won't matter to the handful who are convinced this is a conspiracy...
and that Dennis is trying to free the hostages, or had his life threatened.

etc, etc.

Great list, though.

Bookmarking.

:kick:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:54 PM
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3. Try the comparison link, too
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 10:55 PM by Emit
it's very helpful, imo

waiting for the unrecs, lol

The Medicaid expansion will be a significant improvement, too, imho.
edit
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:04 AM
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38. Policy Implications of Expanding Medicaid
Policy Implications

The uninsured adults with incomes at or below 133% FPL who could gain Medicaid coverage under the health reform proposals in the House and Senate are a diverse group but include many poor and sick individuals for whom public and private coverage is often unavailable. These uninsured adults are currently at an increased risk of going without needed medical care and often lack even basic preventive screenings. Extending Medicaid coverage to these adults would provide them with coverage that is designed to meet the unique needs of the low-income population through a comprehensive benefits package and cost-sharing that is affordable for those with limited incomes.

Eliminating the historical exclusion of adults without dependent children from Medicaid is a key step to reducing the number of low-income uninsured in the U.S. In addition, establishing a floor of Medicaid eligibility based on income would reduce long-standing disparities across states in the reach of public coverage, build on Medicaid’s role as a cost-effective source of health coverage for those with low-incomes who cannot afford or obtain private coverage, and facilitate access to preventive and coordinated care for millions of uninsured Americans.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8052.pdf
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:33 PM
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24. I don't think I have called it a conspiracy. I have called it a giveaway to private, for profit
insurance companies and the hospital industry and the side by side comparison site does nothing to dispel that opinion of the bill.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:52 PM
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2. I love this one: non-profits in the exchange, mandatory.
"Although there will not be a public plan option in the Exchanges, the Office of Personnel Management,which administers the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program, will contract with private insurers to offer at least two multi‐state plans in each Exchange, including at least one offered by a non‐profit entity. In addition, funds will be made available to establish non‐profit, member‐run health insurance CO‐OPs in each state."

:applause:

So much for being forced to line the pockets of health care industry executives.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:14 PM
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14. Non profit has nothing to do with executive pay..
Executive pay comes under operating expenses which are deducted from gross income.

Executive pay at a non-profit could easily be higher than at a for-profit company doing essentially the same thing since there is no concern about making a profit (which would go to shareholders not executives (except as stock options)).



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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:17 PM
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19. True, non-profits still have executives but I still prefer them to for-profit corporations.
And, there are CO-OPs.

And, there's competition among all three types.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:23 PM
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21. +1
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:37 PM
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27. Considering the coops were the brainchild of Kent Conrad
I'm pretty skeptical they'll provide much competition. The opinions surrounding them when he first started with the idea was they were designed to fail and, thus, prove that 'public options' don't work. At one point, Olympia Snowe thought she might support this idea. Conrad's entire participation in the gang of six thugs was centered around stifling competition for insurers and protecting hospital profits.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:57 PM
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40. All they have to do is comply with the rules for non-profit
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 03:58 PM by sabrina 1
organizations, much like the rightwingers do now, by claiming they are not political. See Morton Blackwell's Leadership Council eg. He provides 'educational courses in jouralism'. You can be sure that several 'non-profits' are already in the works. Faith-based hospitals etc., Even I can figure out to use this for profit.

This is worse than it was before. Before, Medicaid funds were not handed over 'by contract' to Private Insurance Corps. But they definitely wanted to get their hands on those funds. Now, they have accomplished it.

Soon, they will find a way to get their greedy little fingers into the SS fund, another long-held dream, and I know, if it is a Democratic Proposal, there will be people here defending it.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:57 PM
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4. +1 for the facts and a quibble
Your poverty guidelines link doesn't seem to be working for me. Try this one: http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.azdhs.gov%2Fphs%2Fhiv%2Fpdf%2Fadap%2FFHCE_FedPovertyLevel.pdf
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:59 PM
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6. Thanks, I added your link to the OP
:hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:58 PM
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5. Except that this is not the final bill that will be signed.
No one knows what that one will finally contain. After the CBO rates it, maybe tomorrow, there will be 72 hours for it to be read and maybe passed or amended, or debated. At least that's the impression I got listening to various Congress critters being interviewed today.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:08 PM
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8. This website has been providing updates routinely
Edited on Wed Mar-17-10 11:08 PM by Emit
As their comparison link states:

As health reform discussions continue, many proposals for overhauling our health care system have been advanced. This interactive side-by-side provides detailed, up-to-date summaries of leading comprehensive reform proposals focusing on several key plan components and is designed to allow for comparisons of plans across these characteristics. Included in this side-by-side are proposals for moving toward universal coverage that have been put forward by the President and Members of Congress, including those that have been formally introduced as legislation as well as those that have been offered as draft proposals or as policy options. It will be regularly updated to reflect changes in the proposals and to incorporate major new proposals as they are announced. In addition to the summaries offered here, the Foundation also has prepared detailed descriptions of the Medicare and Medicaid provisions, and a summary of the coverage provisions, in the legislation moving through Congress.

Link: http://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm

edited to add link
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:13 PM
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12. The difference between this and what will pass should be minor and workable for now.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:17 PM
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17. If it's minor then why all the distrust and accusations between the house and senate?
Isn't the entire funding mechanism different?
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:07 PM
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7. Even for a "work in progress" the Kaiser Foundation info is a good source. Thanks for the post.
And this remains a work in progress.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:10 PM
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10. Kaiser Foundation as in Kaiser Permanente
yeah I'm sure there isn't any bias in that.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:14 PM
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13. The Kaiser Family Foundation is not associated with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries.
The Foundation was established in 1948 by Henry J. Kaiser. In 1977, ten years after Kaiser's death, his conglomerate of disparate organizations split apart. The Kaiser Family Foundation was initially a major owner of these shares, at the time of dissolution, the Foundation owned 32 percent according to Fortune Magazine.

By 1985, the foundation no longer had an ownership stake in Kaiser's old companies, and therefore is no longer associated with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries. Family members did not retain seats on Kaiser companies, but have remained active with the foundation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Family_Foundation#cite_note-LAT-2
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:17 PM
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16. Oh yeah, I'm sure, absolutely.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:28 AM
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36. I find it a decent, reputable source
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:31 PM
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22. Actually I find their information reputable.
I know what you mean about distrusting them. It took me awhile. Other websites like the California Nursing Association and Physicians for a National Health Care Plan use their stats as well.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:08 PM
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9. not everything that's needed - but lots of good!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:11 PM
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11. K&R
thanks
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:14 PM
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15. This is the senate bill. It has nothing being discussed in the reconciliation package.
I have to admit I am lost again. Exactly where is the public option? Is it dead and gone?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:17 PM
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18. You can use this link for a side by side comparison of all the major HCR proposals
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:20 PM
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20. Info hasn't been Updated since 2/24. That is eons in bill dealmaking time.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:32 PM
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23. That was my point. We have to wait. That's the bottom line. n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:41 PM
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30. That was the day after Obama released his health care reform proposal
in preparation for his February 25 bipartisan White House Summit. Seems they keep up as best they can. It's a valuable resource.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:33 AM
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37. Im more interested/disgusted by the special deals and shenanigans.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:06 PM
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41. Well, yes, we have to stay apprised of those as best we can ~ keep on our toes
But for specifics on the proposals, this seems to be a decent source.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:27 PM
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42. The link has been updated again, as of 03/19/10 n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:33 PM
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25. That's a great link! Thanks, Emit.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:36 PM
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26. Right on, EFerrari!
That makes my day. Thank you.

:thumbsup:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:38 PM
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28. Why are we fighting over a bill that won't be in effect for years?
:shrug:

The Republicans will slice/dice this thing anyway.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:47 PM
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32. It will never be in effect except for some stuff that occurs in the first six months.
All those grass roots associations who have been holding back to see what Congress and the President will do, are going to explode once that bill is signed. You will see CHANGE like you never have before because they will bring it with a vengeance. The medical community is pissed and they will make it happen.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:41 PM
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29. Better known as "Insurance Industry Profit Protection Act"

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:46 PM
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:56 PM
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33. +1
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:59 PM
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34. lol, if feels that way
But if it is nothing more than that, why are the insurance companies spending bucco bucks fighting it? Do you think it's just a big, expensive ruse? :shrug:

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 12:00 AM
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35. You left out a couple of words; it should read "Insurance and Pharmaceutical..."
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 11:58 AM
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39. kick nt
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:32 PM
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43. I'm glad it won't be in effect until 2014. It gives me time to move to Europe.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:32 PM
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44. Tonight? LOL.
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