Murtha was just asked about impeachment again on MSNBC

[Coexist]

he said "it is always and option, but power of the purse is what really matters to the president."

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. "nothing is off the table"

That should be the response. If it is a good enough deterrent for foreign governments, it is good enough for our own.

[partylessinOhio]

2. Madame Squeaker has sat on Murtha since his earlier comments

Sunday and Monday on impeachment. This is so disgusting.

Madame Squeaker needs to be sat down, thrown out and made a one term (or less) part-time occupant of the speaker chair.




She is too close to * and is protecting him for some reason.

[Freddie Stubbs]

3. She was elected because House Democrats like her leadership skills

They liked her enough to elect her Minority Leader. Obviously they were happy how that worked out.

[jollyreaper2112]

4. I don't think we've been yet burned by her

So I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't think we're seeing a foolish "keep the powder dry" strategy where the battle is lost without firing a shot. I think we're seeing a subtle plan in the works, exposing the festering rot of the Bushies. Remember, these guys aren't good at running things but they've made the Devil's politics their own. They're good at what they do. If you pull the trigger too early, they'll turn the tables on you. Just look at the whole AWOL memo thing. Look at how Kerry was forced to defend his war record against a draft dodger. If they went impeachment right out the gates after 2006, the Bushies would say it's nothing more than politics and make themselves out to be the victims. The strategy the Dems are pulling right now is not advocating impeachment themselves but pulling the corruption out into the light of day and letting the call for impeachment come from the people. Then they can say they are doing the will of the people by impeaching Bush.

That's my take on it. If they don't do something like this, I will be disappointed. But Conyers said there's no statue of limitations for impeachment so if we can get a Dem in office in 2008, even if Bush was never forced from office, we now have a platform from which to prosecute him.

The dems have to be careful to make sure the prosecution is about the crimes, not the man. The pukes hated Clinton from the moment they laid eyes on him and that impeachment was about the man, not the crime. They'll accuse us of the same so we need to make sure the facts are so overwhelming that the lie cannot gain traction.

The problem dems have had so far is they SUCK at getting a message out and sticking to it. The pukes have the Devil's discipline. Most Americans aren't willing to accept that national leaders can be brazen liars so when they hear two sides, they figure the truth is somewhere in the middle. By putting the truth out there, by making it uncontestable, the dems can disabuse the public of this notion.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

7. That's a very good assessment

[jollyreaper2112]

8. Thanks

I just hope it isn't wishful thinking. :)

Right now I've also got hopes about Gore. It could be wishful thinking but it still looks like he's running one hell of a stealth campaign. For starters, people are sick of candidates getting up on stage without a vision or plan. It all seems to boil down to "elect me because I'm a nice guy and I want power." Gore is living a post-political life doing something he has a track record of believing in, protecting the environment. This isn't some cause du jure or or calculated ploy, this is Gore. If he's faking it, he's been faking it for a damn long time, he's faking it like Carter. Right now he's playing the role of a public figure who believes in something and is using the fame of his office and history to open doors and talk to people. Joe Schmoe couldn't have gotten those doors open and not just any famous person could have gained enough traction from those opportunities to start the dialogue we have going on today. The best part of it all is that I don't see any acting here, he's doing this because he wants to.

At this point Gore is ten times the candidate he was in 2000 because he's distanced from the scandal and muck of the Clinton/GOP wars. He's his own man now, not just the VP of Clinton, which to half the nation was the same as being the son of Satan. He's at least four times the candidate of the current Dem crop because he's not having to engage in any of the fundraising and negativity. He's working for the environment, how do you attack someone on that? And because he's not running right now, he doesn't have to waste time answering horse race questions when he does media appearances, he can concentrate on his message. I disagree with Rush's critique of Obama as being famous for being "an articulate negro" but I do think his fame is a lot of media-created hype that cannot be explained by his record. I feel Hillary represents the polar opposite of the Gore approach, focus-grouped and calculating to the nth degree, standing for nothing but what will get her elected. I don't think any of the other candidates will gain traction so, without Gore, it's still a choice between Obama and Hillary. I think that people will be so exhausted by the process, so sick of the infighting, Gore stepping in at the 11th hour will be a dream candidate.

For anyone else, such a late entrance would simply not be feasible. But Gore's media presence over the past few years is worth $100 million in fundraising and ads. Everybody knows him, everybody knows what he stands for. Nobody else would have the name recognition to be able to pull something like this but he could.

So, will he run? I don't know. I don't trust any of the media rumors floating around because I think a lot of them are calculated trial balloons for various parties. But I do remember that the rumors of Hillary running started years before she announced. I think they started on the left as a bit of a joke, "Imagine what would really piss off the GOP!" and on the right as a boogeyman story to scare the kids. "Imagine if Hitlary got into power! Mandatory abortions and gay sex for everyone!" But I think she enjoys power and is interested in rising as far as she can. I don't know if it was seriously on her radar when she ran for her Senate seat but I think she had to be considering after her victory.

What really amazes me about this race so far is that the Republicans don't have a decent candidate in their entire field. I'm not talking about one I'd consider voting for, mind you; I won't forgive the GOP until the Jews forgive Hitler. But I don't even see a candidate that they could convince their faithful to get behind. I thought Bush was a fairly poor candidate in 2000 but he appears to be a giant compared to what's currently being offered. Rudy and McCain have the greatest name recognition but they're both too tainted to get the nod. All the rest are pretty much off the national radar. I don't know if they'll be able to counter voter fatigue concerning anything GOP.

[bdamomma]

6. what a fuckin puss on his face

too bad *'ie you are not going to "win" this one, it is us against you!!!

[bdamomma]

5. oh yes, that money matters more to * than loss of life.