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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:45 AM
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Myths and Realities on HCR:
Myth
1. This is a universal health care bill.

Truth

The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance.

Per the CBO:

•Total uninsured in 2019 with no bill: 54 million
•Total uninsured in 2019 with Senate bill: 24 million (44%)

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Myth

2. Insurance companies hate this bill


Truth

This bill is almost identical to the plan written by AHIP, the insurance company trade association, in 2009.

The original Senate Finance Committee bill was authored by a former Wellpoint VP. Since Congress released the first of its health care bills on October 30, 2009, health care stocks have risen 28.35%.

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Myth

3. The bill will significantly bring down insurance premiums for most Americans.


Truth

The bill will not bring down premiums significantly, and certainly not the $2,500/year that the President promised.

Annual premiums in 2016, status quo / with bill:

Small group market, single: $7,800 / $7,800

Small group market, family: $19,3oo / $19,200

Large Group market, single: $7,400 / $7,300

Large group market, family: $21,100 / $21,300

Individual market, single: $5,500 / $5,800*

Individual market, family: $13,100 / $15,200*

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Myth

4. The bill will make health care affordable for middle class Americans.
The bill will impose a financial hardship on middle class Americans who will be forced to buy a product that they can’t afford to use.


Truth


A family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $8,628 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible.


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Myth

5. This plan is similar to the Massachusetts plan, which makes health care affordable. Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can’t afford it.

Truth

A 2009 study by the state of Massachusetts found that:

•21% of residents forgo medical treatment because they can’t afford it, including 12% of children
•18% have health insurance but can’t afford to use it

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Myth

6. This bill provide health care to 31 million people who are currently uninsured.

Truth

This bill will mandate that millions of people who are currently uninsured must purchase insurance from private companies, or the IRS will collect up to 2% of their annual income in penalties. Some will be assisted with government subsidies.

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Myth

7. You can keep the insurance you have if you like it. The excise tax will result in employers switching to plans with higher co-pays and fewer covered services.

Truth

Older, less healthy employees with employer-based health care will be forced to pay much more in out-of-pocket expenses than they do now.

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Myth

8. The “excise tax” will encourage employers to reduce the scope of health care benefits, and they will pass the savings on to employees in the form of higher wages.

Truth

There is insufficient evidence that employers pass savings from reduced benefits on to employees.

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Myth

9. This bill employs nearly every cost control idea available to bring down costs.

Truth

This bill does not bring down costs and leaves out nearly every key cost control measure, including:

•Public Option ($25-$110 billion)
•Medicare buy-in
•Drug reimportation ($19 billion)
•Medicare drug price negotiation ($300 billion)
•Shorter pathway to generic biologics ($71 billion)

Myth

10. The bill will require big companies like WalMart to provide insurance for their employees

The bill was written so that most WalMart employees will qualify for subsidies, and taxpayers will pick up a large portion of the cost of their coverage.
11. The bill “bends the cost curve” on health care.

Truth

The bill ignored proven ways to cut health care costs and still leaves 24 million people uninsured, all while slightly raising total annual costs by $234 million in 2019.

“Bends the cost curve” is a misleading and trivial claim, as the US would still spend far more for care than other advanced countries.

In 2009, health care costs were 17.3% of GDP.

Annual cost of health care in 2019, status quo: $4,670.6 billion (20.8% of GDP)

Annual cost of health care in 2019, Senate bill: $4,693.5 billion (20.9% of GDP)

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Myth

12. The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition. Access to the “high risk pool” is limited and the pool is underfunded. It will cover few people, and will run out of money in 2011 or 2012

Truth

Only those who have been uninsured for more than six months will qualify for the high risk pool. Only 0.7% of those without insurance now will get coverage, and the CMS report estimates it will run out of funding by 2011 or 2012.

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Myth

13. The bill prohibits dropping people in individual plans from coverage when they get sick. The bill does not empower a regulatory body to keep people from being dropped when they’re sick.


Truth

There are already many states that have laws on the books prohibiting people from being dropped when they’re sick, but without an enforcement mechanism, there is little to hold the insurance companies in check.

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Myth

14. The bill ensures consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to challenge new insurance plan decisions. The “internal appeals process” is in the hands of the insurance companies themselves, and the “external” one is up to each state.

Truth

Ensuring that consumers have access to “internal appeals” simply means the insurance companies have to review their own decisions. And it is the responsibility of each state to provide an “external appeals process,” as there is neither funding nor a regulatory mechanism for enforcement at the federal level.


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Myth

15. This bill will stop insurance companies from hiking rates 30%-40% per year.


Truth

This bill does not limit insurance company rate hikes. Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country.

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Myth


16. When the bill passes, people will begin receiving benefits under this bill immediately


Truth

Most provisions in this bill, such as an end to the ban on pre-existing conditions for adults, do not take effect until 2014.

Six months from the date of passage, children could not be excluded from coverage due to pre-existing conditions, though insurance companies could charge more to cover them. Children would also be allowed to stay on their parents’ plans until age 26. There will be an elimination of lifetime coverage limits, a high risk pool for those who have been uninsured for more than 6 months, and community health centers will start receiving money.
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Myth

17. The bill creates a pathway for single payer.


Truth

Bernie Sanders’ provision in the Senate bill does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, so no, it doesn’t create a pathway for single payer.


Obama told Dennis Kucinich that the Ohio Representative’s amendment is similar to Bernie Sanders’ provision in the Senate bill, and creates a pathway to single payer. Since the waiver does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, it is nearly impossible to see how it gets around the ERISA laws that stand in the way of any practical state single payer system.


Myth

18 The bill will end medical bankruptcy and provide all Americans with peace of mind.


Truth

Most people with medical bankruptcies already have insurance, and out-of-pocket expenses will continue to be a burden on the middle class.

•In 2009, 1.5 million Americans declared bankruptcy
•Of those, 62% were medically related
•Three-quarters of those had health insurance
•The Obama bill leaves 24 million without insurance
•The maximum yearly out-of-pocket limit for a family will be $11,900 (PDF) on top of premiums
•A family with serious medical problems that last for a few years could easily be financially crushed by medical costs




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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:49 AM
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1. FDL has no right to even use the word "truth"
They are all professional liars.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:51 PM
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11. What in that post is at odds with the truth?
Nevermind the messenger - what about the message?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:50 AM
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2. Fuck firedoglake wtf with that site anyway? Is it another correntewire. Christ on a biscuit.
Fuck them.

I'm with Kucinich, Weiner, Skinner, et al.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:52 AM
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4. Permission to freak out. That pic is crazy!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:55 AM
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6. I KNOW! And, I snagged it from that freeper post about Constitutional Convention 2010...
They're meeting in Dallas, gonna create a new nation within a nation, change the numbering of amendments, it's a hoot!

:rofl:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:27 PM
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15. +10000
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:51 AM
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3. FDL stands for Falsehoods, Disinformation and Lies. Norquists personal baby. Fuck FDL.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:33 PM
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17. If you can't argue the facts resort to personal attacks, right berni?
come on, you can do better than that!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:54 AM
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5. Not a single link. Rebuttals are generalizations. The half-truths are sickening at this point.
And it says volumes about so-called liberals who need to resort to them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:53 PM
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:26 PM
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14. the article has many, many links and citations
and the OP contained a link
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:56 AM
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7. Thanks for posting
k/r
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:58 AM
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9. Your post is appreciated. K/R! nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:52 PM
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12. K&R
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:31 PM
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16. We'd Never Get the Votes to Cover Illegal Residents
The best we can do is get immigration reform to allow long-term illegal aliens to have a path to legal residency, and therefore be eligible. The whole thing would have been dead in the water if there had been coverage of illegal residents.
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