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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:01 AM
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We Stand on the Cusp of one of Humanity's Most Dangerous Moments
http://www.alternet.org/media/146005/we_stand_on_the_cusp_of_one_of_humanity%27s_most_dangerous_moments/


We will have to resist the temptation to fold in on ourselves and to ignore the cruelty outside our door.
March 18, 2010  |

Chris Hedges
 

We stand on the cusp of one of the bleakest periods in human history when the bright lights of a civilization blink out and we will descend for decades, if not centuries, into barbarity. The elites have successfully convinced us that we no longer have the capacity to understand the revealed truths presented before us or to fight back against the chaos caused by economic and environmental catastrophe. As long as the mass of bewildered and frightened people, fed images that permit them to perpetually hallucinate, exist in this state of barbarism, they may periodically strike out with a blind fury against increased state repression, widespread poverty and food shortages. But they will lack the ability and self-confidence to challenge in big and small ways the structures of control. The fantasy of widespread popular revolts and mass movements breaking the hegemony of the corporate state is just that – a fantasy.



When you ingest the poison of violence, even in a just cause, it corrupts, deforms and perverts you. Violence is a drug, indeed it is the most potent narcotic known to humankind. Those most addicted to violence are those who have access to weapons and a penchant for force. And these killers rise to the surface of any armed movement and contaminate it with the intoxicating and seductive power that comes with the ability to destroy. I have seen it in war after war. When you go down that road you end up pitting your monsters against their monsters. And the sensitive, the humane and the gentle, those who have a propensity to nurture and protect life, are marginalized and often killed. The romantic vision of war and violence is as prevalent among anarchists and the hard left as it is in the mainstream culture. Those who resist with force will not defeat the corporate state or sustain the cultural values that must be sustained if we are to have a future worth living. From my many years as a war correspondent in El Salvador, Guatemala, Gaza and Bosnia, I have seen that armed resistance movements are always mutations of the violence that spawned them. I am not naïve enough to think I could have avoided these armed movements had I been a landless Salvadoran or Guatemalan peasant, a Palestinian in Gaza or a Muslim in Sarajevo, but this violent response to repression is and always will be tragic. It must be avoided, although not at the expense of our own survival.



Too many resistance movements continue to buy into the facade of electoral politics, parliaments, constitutions, bills of rights, lobbying and the appearance of a rational economy. The levers of power have become so contaminated that the needs and voices of citizens have become irrelevant. The election of Barack Obama was yet another triumph of propaganda over substance and a skillful manipulation and betrayal of the public by the mass media. We mistook style and ethnicity – an advertising tactic pioneered by the United Colors of Benetton and Calvin Klein – for progressive politics and genuine change. We confused how we were made to feel with knowledge. But the goal, as with all brands, was to make passive consumers mistake a brand for an experience. Obama, now a global celebrity, is a brand. He had almost no experience besides two years in the senate, lacked any moral core and was sold as all things to all people. The Obama campaign was named Advertising Age’s marketer of the year for 2008 and edged out runners-up Apple and Zappos.com. Take it from the professionals. Brand Obama is a marketer’s dream. President Obama does one thing and Brand Obama gets you to believe another. This is the essence of successful advertising. You buy or do what the advertisers want because of how they can make you feel.




If we build self-contained structures, ones that do as little harm as possible to the environment, we can weather the coming collapse. This task will be accomplished through the existence of small, physical enclaves that have access to sustainable agriculture, are able to sever themselves as much as possible from commercial culture and can be largely self-sufficient. These communities will have to build walls against electronic propaganda and fear that will be pumped out over the airwaves. Canada will probably be a more hospitable place to do this than the United States, given America’s strong undercurrent of violence. But in any country, those who survive will need isolated areas of land as well as distance from urban areas, which will see the food deserts in the inner cities, as well as savage violence, leach out across the urban landscape as produce and goods become prohibitively expensive and state repression becomes harsher and harsher.




The indifference to the plight of others and the supreme elevation of the self is what the corporate state seeks to instill in us. It uses fear, as well as hedonism, to thwart human compassion. We will have to continue to battle the mechanisms of the dominant culture, if for no other reason than to preserve through small, even tiny acts, our common humanity. We will have to resist the temptation to fold in on ourselves and to ignore the cruelty outside our door. Hope endures in these often imperceptible acts of defiance. This defiance, this capacity to say no, is what the psychopathic forces in control of our power systems seek to eradicate. As long as we are willing to defy these forces we have a chance, if not for ourselves, then at least for those who follow. As long as we defy these forces we remain alive. And for now this is the only victory possible.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:03 AM
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1. Wow.
K&R

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:28 AM
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9. Please go and read the whole piece, if you haven't already.
It's quite long, and I wasn't able to do it justice with my excerpting. The paras I quote are drawn from the whole, multipage essay in an effort to give the flavor of the piece, and the stuff I left out is as solid as the parts I was able to include.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:54 PM
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104. "if you haven't already."
Yeah, we've had plenty of opportunity, seeing as this thing has been posted at least twice a day for the past week.


Please, enough with the re-education. Anyone who is interested in what Chris Hedges has to say on "Brand Obama" has already read this thing. Thanks.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:04 AM
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2. By my count, we've been teetering on the edge of Doomsday...
...about 1461 times since I joined DU in 2006.

That's one "We're Doomed!" post every day for the last 4 years.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:45 PM
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28. Amen! Amen! Amen!
That doooooooooooooooom has been so long in coming.

The End of Days is always just around the corner!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:47 AM
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71. I hadn't noticed
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:52 PM
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103. Shit, just this one article has been responsible for six or seven threads in the past four days.
In case you didn't see the first twenty identical threads, guess what? Chris Hedges Says We're DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOOMED!!!!!!

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:52 PM
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106. Remember, one DUer is tediously kicking this one thread every day
because they think it makes their 'win' in an argument look good. They've kicked it 11 times in the last 9 days. Sure makes them look like a worthwhile poster. :eyes:
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:10 PM
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107. Not a win. Just giving a fellow DUer a chance to back up their charge of plagiarism. I'd hate to see
the thread drop into archives before the proof arrives.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:30 PM
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108. QED (nt)
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:58 PM
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109. QED(t)
Psych!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:08 AM
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3. This doomsaying has already been posted this morning.
I'm sure it will be posted many more times today...
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:41 AM
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19. This is DU where things get reposted over and over like they are new for the first time.
There are very few good citizens who check for duplicates.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:01 AM
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69. As has the racial epithet
hurling incident. Do you also object to those?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:50 AM
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72. the worst false dichotomy argument I've ever seen
:puke:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:14 AM
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4. where was mr hedges during the already lived dark period...the fucking bu$h*/cheney years
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:21 AM
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5. I know you meant that question rhetorically, but let me quote Wikipedia in answer:
Biography

Christopher Lynn Hedges was born in St. Johnsbury, Vermont, the son of a Presbyterian minister, the Rev. Thomas Hedges. He grew up in upstate New York, graduated from the Loomis Chaffee School in Windsor, Connecticut in 1975 and attended Colgate University where he received a B.A. in English Literature. He later obtained a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School, where he studied under James Luther Adams. He was awarded an honorary doctorate, along with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, in May 2009 from the Unitarian Universalist seminary, Starr King School for the Ministry, in Berkeley, California.<3>
In 1983, Hedges began his career reporting on the conflict in El Salvador. Following six years in Latin America, he took time off to study Arabic and then went to Jerusalem and later Cairo. He spent seven years in the Middle East, most of them as the Middle East Bureau Chief for The New York Times. During the first Gulf War he was taken prisoner by the Iraqi Republican Guard while covering the Shiite uprising in the southern Iraqi city of Basra. He was released after a week to the International Committee of the Red Cross. He left the Middle East in 1995 for Sarajevo to cover the war in Bosnia followed by the war in Kosovo. Later, he joined the investigative team of The New York Times, based in Paris, and covered terrorism.
He was a Nieman Fellow at Harvard University during the academic year of 1998-1999 where he studied classics. In addition to English, he speaks Arabic, French and Spanish and knows Latin and ancient Greek. He has written for numerous publications including The Nation, Foreign Affairs, Harper's Magazine, The New York Review of Books, Granta, Mother Jones, New Humanist and Robert Scheer's web magazine Truthdig where he publishes a column every Monday.
Hedges, an outspoken critic of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, was also an early and vocal critic of the Iraq War. He questioned the rationale for war by the Bush administration and was critical of the early press coverage, calling it "shameful cheerleading". In May 2003, Hedges delivered a commencement address at Rockford College in Rockford, Illinois, saying:
"We are embarking on an occupation that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige and power and security."
Several hundred members of the audience booed and jeered his talk, although some applauded. Hedges' microphone was cut twice and two young men rushed the stage to try to prevent him from speaking. Hedges had to cut short his address and was escorted off campus by security officials before the ceremony was over. An editorial in The Wall Street Journal denounced Hedges for his anti-war stance on May 24. His employer, The New York Times, criticized his statements and issued him a written reprimand for "public remarks that could undermine public trust in the paper's impartiality." Hedges, refusing to accept these restrictions, left The New York Times to become a senior fellow at The Nation Institute, write books and teach.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:50 PM
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32. Wow! I did not know he was so versatile and had done so much.
:patriot:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:03 PM
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51. Meanwhile, the Times was licking & loving Judith Miller's ass
while she was on her knees lying for Dickie 'Five-military-deferments' Cheney and the other WMD-lying Republicon chickenhawks who created this Humougous Expensive Pointless Clusterfuck.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:46 PM
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29. Ding!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 02:58 AM
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66. 'War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning' was published in 2002.
"This should be required reading in this post-9/11 world as we debate the possibility of war with Iraq." Stephen L. Hupp, West Virginia Univ. Lib., Parkersburg

'Collateral Damage: America's War Against Iraqi Civilians' was published in 2008.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:23 PM
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48. I'm interested in hearing your response to JR's post #5... n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:23 AM
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6. The title is correct. I will read the body in a little while.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:26 AM
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7. A pleasant way to repackage tea-party protest signs...N/T
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 11:26 AM by Ozymanithrax
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:29 AM
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10. Yeah only tea-partiers wouldn't read that much text.
"It's too long" they would shout. Socialist words.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:39 AM
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17. It's a demagogue's lullaby. If the people are asleep, they won't know what he is.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:45 AM
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21. I see ...so if they protest against the government then if we do the same then we are teabaggers???
:crazy:
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 11:36 PM
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79. Yes that is exactly what I was saying.
:eyes: :crazy: :think: :crazy: :eyes:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:27 AM
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8. K & R
Still reading.

Found this:

The indifference to the plight of others and the supreme elevation of the self is what the corporate state seeks to instill in us. It uses fear, as well as hedonism, to thwart human compassion. We will have to continue to battle the mechanisms of the dominant culture, if for no other reason than to preserve through small, even tiny acts, our common humanity. We will have to resist the temptation to fold in on ourselves and to ignore the cruelty outside our door. Hope endures in these often imperceptible acts of defiance. This defiance, this capacity to say no, is what the psychopathic forces in control of our power systems seek to eradicate. As long as we are willing to defy these forces we have a chance, if not for ourselves, then at least for those who follow. As long as we defy these forces we remain alive. And for now this is the only victory possible. (emphasis added)


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:30 AM
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11. …and some are confounding this with the Tea Party message.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:34 AM
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12. Some are winking at the rules by using tea-party/teabagger in place
of an actual call out of freeper.

They are applying "guilt by association" rather than actually discussing the issue.

The appeals to authority, bandwagon jumping, and guilt by association has become very obvious and very predominant during the recent "debates."

Good to see you posting again. :hi:

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 11:50 PM
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81. The fanboys don't like being told that they are corporatist tools.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:35 AM
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15. It's the extreme environmentalist version of the Tea Party
It's saying "forget federal government, or political parties; forget state government; forget trade and industrialisation; just grow your own food, and since others are violent, you may have to defend the land you occupy, with force. Only this will be sustainable." It's a Back To The Land call.
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:44 AM
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20. I do not see where they get that...
Distrust of the Government
Dislike of the Global celebrity and Brand Obama
The Environmental and Economic End is Near
We've been Duped
All poilitics is a Facade
The dominant culture is Evil
We all suffer a collective Hallucination

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:50 AM
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22. Optical delusions
Those thoughts sound dangerous.
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The Midway Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:22 PM
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24. Of course...
And a knack for playing upon peoples fears.

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:44 PM
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26. "The indifference to the plight of others"...this jumped out at me, too!
Where is the compassion of people for those who share this world with us?

"We will have to resist the temptation to fold in on ourselves and to ignore the cruelty outside our door."

But this is what we are being led to do, isn't it, because its easier than to really feel something and then have to act on it.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:00 PM
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33. It ties in with a post I made yesterday and an OP that's still rattling
in my head. post from yesterday.

That, part of the marketing plan is, in my opinion, not only the most effective, but the most deadly.

"...because its easier than to really feel something and then have to act on it." Yes. We should all just "grow a thicker skin" because becoming as insensitive as possible to our surroundings and the people in our lives works so well to insure our survival. /sarcasm

Another snip that follows this theme:

And the sensitive, the humane and the gentle, those who have a propensity to nurture and protect life, are marginalized and often killed.


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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:37 PM
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42. Yeah..I was on that one too.
and I know exactly what you mean - that part of the marketing plan is the most deadly.

We have lost the ability to imagine ourselves in another's life experiences. Much safer to remain in a cocoon of rightousness and feeling more "worthy" than another because of xyz reasons.



"And the sensitive, the humane and the gentle, those who have a propensity to nurture and protect life, are marginalized and often killed."

Made to feel weak because you care about someone outside of yourself...being told that if certain people don't think, act and do as you do,that they are lazy or stupid makes it OK to deem them as less than you and therefore not worthy of help. Isn't this what the elites & slave owners preached once upon a time?

:hug: Cerridwen
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:15 PM
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46. I thought I remembered you there. Oops.
I went to look and managed to scroll right past your name even though I had a memory of you being there. I think I'll go wash my glasses. :blush:

Reading through this thread is very informative. Apparently the article under discussion has a bit, or a bit much, for everyone. It's "fun(?)" to watch the various focal points to which posters respond.

:hug: Desertrose

Perhaps that Biblical passage should have read, "And the unworthy shall inherit the earth." I wonder what it said in the original? *sigh*



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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:34 AM
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13. Incredible
K&R
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:35 AM
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14. Awesome . . . ***Awe*** -some piece. Excellent Wordcraft. Thanks for posting!!
:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:37 AM
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16. Recommended.
The Dark Ages, Part 2.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:40 AM
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18. K&R
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:57 AM
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23. What an excellent piece! So many of us have been thinking these very things
I know I've felt for decades as if we live in a bizarre make-believe world. Not sleepwalking as much as being forced to walk with the sleeping.

(snip)
The free market’s assumption that nature and human beings are objects whose worth is determined by the market allows each to be exploited for profit until exhaustion or collapse. A society that no longer recognizes that nature and human life have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic value beyond monetary value, commits collective suicide. Such societies cannibalize themselves until they die. This is what we are undergoing.

(snip)
The philosopher Theodor Adorno wrote that the exclusive preoccupation with personal concerns and indifference to the suffering of others beyond the self-identified group is what ultimately made fascism and the Holocaust possible: “The inability to identify with others was unquestionably the most important psychological condition for the fact that something like Auschwitz could have occurred in the midst of more or less civilized and innocent people.”

(snip)
The cultural belief that we can make things happen by thinking, by visualizing, by wanting them, by tapping into our inner strength or by understanding that we are truly exceptional is magical thinking. We can always make more money, meet new quotas, consume more products and advance our career if we have enough faith. This magical thinking, preached to us across the political spectrum by Oprah, sports celebrities, Hollywood, self-help gurus and Christian demagogues, is largely responsible for our economic and environmental collapse, since any Cassandra who saw it coming was dismissed as “negative.” This belief, which allows men and women to behave and act like little children, discredits legitimate concerns and anxieties. It exacerbates despair and passivity. It fosters a state of self-delusion. The purpose, structure and goals of the corporate state are never seriously questioned. To question, to engage in criticism of the corporate collective, is to be obstructive and negative. And it has perverted the way we view ourselves, our nation and the natural world. The new paradigm of power, coupled with its bizarre ideology of limitless progress and impossible happiness, has turned whole nations, including the United States, into monsters.

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:45 PM
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27. K&R, Jackpine.
:hi: Thanks for this.

:loveya:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:47 PM
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30. "We mistook style and ethnicity...for progressive politics and genuine change" Some apparently took
this hysterical defeatist drivel as intelligent prose.

We stand on the cusp of one of the bleakest periods in human history when the bright lights of a civilization blink out and we will descend for decades, if not centuries, into barbarity. The elites have successfully convinced us that we no longer have the capacity to understand the revealed truths presented before us or to fight back against the chaos caused by economic and environmental catastrophe. As long as the mass of bewildered and frightened people, fed images that permit them to perpetually hallucinate, exist in this state of barbarism, they may periodically strike out with a blind fury against increased state repression, widespread poverty and food shortages. But they will lack the ability and self-confidence to challenge in big and small ways the structures of control. The fantasy of widespread popular revolts and mass movements breaking the hegemony of the corporate state is just that – a fantasy.

<edit>

Democracy, a system ideally designed to challenge the status quo, has been corrupted and tamed to slavishly serve the status quo. We have undergone, as John Ralston Saul writes, a coup d’état in slow motion. And the coup is over. They won. We lost. The abject failure of activists to push corporate, industrialized states toward serious environmental reform, to thwart imperial adventurism or to build a humane policy toward the masses of the world’s poor stems from an inability to recognize the new realities of power. The paradigm of power has irrevocably altered and so must the paradigm of resistance alter.

Too many resistance movements continue to buy into the facade of electoral politics, parliaments, constitutions, bills of rights, lobbying and the appearance of a rational economy. The levers of power have become so contaminated that the needs and voices of citizens have become irrelevant. The election of Barack Obama was yet another triumph of propaganda over substance and a skillful manipulation and betrayal of the public by the mass media. We mistook style and ethnicity – an advertising tactic pioneered by the United Colors of Benetton and Calvin Klein – for progressive politics and genuine change...

The author is full of shit.



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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:50 PM
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43. I agree.. possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever read
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:52 PM
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44. Actually..no he's not
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 01:52 PM by Desertrose
full of shit that is.

If you open your eyes & your mind...it's pretty clear.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:54 PM
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45. "We stand on the cusp of one of the bleakest periods in human history "
No, he's full of shit.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Presuming he wrote the title of the piece,
then he is using a rhetorical tool to draw attention to his article.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. Apparently You Don't Realize You're Talking To One of the Chief Propagandists
Representing the Obama marketing team of '08. Do some advance searching ....
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:46 AM
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64. Actually, that's pretty tough not to miss.....
I just thought I'd post anyway....;)
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:26 PM
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49. Agreed. It's bizarre.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:49 PM
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31. claptrap
we've faced adversity before

to those of you who believe this shit, take a history class or read a history book.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:11 PM
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34. Do you asume you are the only one who has? Is there nothing "new"? Are we not "free"?
You are saying that there is nothing new about this point in our development?

If there is nothing new, ever, how can we conceptualize something that we refer to as "Freedom"?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:15 PM
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36. I suggest starting with "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire"
I don't think anyone's arguing this is "new" so much as the fact that we've hit a spot in our history that is going to have reverberations throughout the history as yet to be lived and that living through it now is, to put it lightly, a pain in the ass for a lot of people.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 04:56 PM
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50. "I'm an old man, and I've seen a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." M Twain
The arrogance of a statement like "we are at a spot in our history that is going to have reverberations throughout the history" takes my breath away.

In the first place, we have no idea what impact the decisions we make, or fail to make, will have on anything, let alone on history some 20 or 1 or 200 years from now. Two, history has seen some pretty big things. Three, every generation believes it faces the toughest challenges and that people are not listening, and the other side is screwing everything up which will have catastrophic consequences. And Fourth, too freaking many people think the first things don't matter because they are more prescient and smarter than anyone who has ever lived. I know this because I too, in my callow youth, believed MY time was the end of the world as we knew it and what the opposition did at the time was going to have reverberations throughout history blah blah blah. Then, I got some distance and realized our hearts were in the right place but we were way overwrought and we didn't know shit.

It is important that we act with thoughtful deliberation to meet the challenges we face without the hysteria evident in the op.

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 08:25 PM
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55. You don't think having elected President Obama, addressing an issue
on such a grand scale as the current health care insurance reform bill, having avoided what we were told was the planetary melt-down of the global economic system, the current state of the economy after having avoided said melt-down, the recent housing bubble bust, and a bunch o' armed, tea-bagging loons threatening violence (and a couple who've followed through), won't have "reverberations throughout history"?

Wasn't it fortunate for Twain that he didn't live long enough to see the objects of his satire from, The Gilded Age: A Tale of Today become the "Robber Barons" who would, in part, contribute to that time's planetary melt-down? "...most of them never happened." I wonder if that means some of them did?

And yet, you still do not address the information presented in the article.

But, that was a nice little passive-aggressive swipe at me in the following paragraph. Not terribly effective, but nice filler. I'm not playing with you today. Cast your baited line elsewhere.

Here ya go. You can have the last word if you'd like.





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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:02 AM
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59. you're right, I don't understand the article
I stopped reading at: "Obama, like Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the other heads of the industrialized nations, has proven as craven a tool of the corporate state as George W. Bush." Which came right about the big long paragraph about Obama being nothing but a brand and an empty suit.

If the article was about how its the best we've got right now and we need to support it in an effort to right the ship of state, I missed it an apologize.

But I can't read the whole thing. It's too overwrought and self absorbed.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:14 PM
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35. I disagree with their arguments against violence
But everything else is spot on.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:15 PM
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37. Do you intend to state your case?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:19 PM
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38. it's a very silly piece by someone who's turned into a secular apocalyptist
further more, he's almost directly ripping off an EM Forster essay written at the dawn of WWII.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:26 PM
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39. Could you post a link to the Forster essay and make the connections, please?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:30 PM
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40. I'm looking for it.
it's in a book of essays called "Two Cheers for Democracy".
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:34 PM
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41. Thanks very much. I appreciate your effort for the discourse. nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #38
58. Hedges is "almost directly ripping off" EM Forster? Why do I think you won't be back
to support your claim?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 04:20 AM
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68. I'm back and I'm still looking
and where he echoes Forster is the first sentence. Forster, who was a great writer, and a brilliant thinker would never have penned the rest of the drivel.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 04:24 AM
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82. I see we've retreated from "directly ripping off" to "echoes...the first sentence." I suspect we
won't even get a citation for the reduced allegation, but I'll kick this just to give you a chance. Next time, you might want to think before making such a sweeping accusation.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 09:03 AM
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83. Kick for proof
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Back from the library yet?
Edited on Mon Mar-22-10 03:12 PM by Karmadillo
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:48 AM
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90. How's that research going? Any proof yet?
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:50 AM
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91. Don't disappoint us. You've made the charge, so back it up (or withdraw it).
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-10 07:44 PM
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92. You were just making it up?
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #92
93. Make a full break. Admit your transgression. You'll feel better.
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:04 AM
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96. Shame. Shame. Shame.
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 09:38 AM
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99. Your chances are dwindling. Eternity awaits us all. Confess your error while there is still time.
Edited on Sun Mar-28-10 10:11 AM by Karmadillo
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:48 PM
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101. As soon as you take a break from spamming the new Hedges' piece, maybe you can document the claim
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 08:27 PM by Karmadillo
you made about this one. Thanks.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 03:47 PM
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102. Is today the day cali backs up her charge of plagiarism?
nt
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 03:00 PM
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110. Or will she just accuse yet another writer of "dishonesty" and then move on?
nt
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:22 PM
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54. As usual
the blind still can't see.

K&R
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 08:43 PM
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56. K&R
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:30 AM
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62. I don't think of myself as crazy ....
I agree with this, I post here and I am a progressive Democrat. I obviously do not agree with your opinions but that does not equate with insanity or automatically transform me into a Freeper. I don't think the way you express your disagreement is particularly constructive, but maybe that is a personal choice you make all the time.

You are entitled to think what you want and express your thoughts, but you are not entitled to slander others for disagreeing with you. Give it some thought. What goes around comes around. What is it you that you expect others to say in response to you? I don't think you will get a whole lot of endearments.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 02:53 AM
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65. ?
Christopher Hedges has been posted here for as long as I've been a member.
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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:22 AM
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60. Hedges and Alexander Cockburn are in the same mental category for me
Both can make insightful observations, but many times the conclusion from their work is, things are hopeless, give it up.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:23 AM
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61. This is an incredible post ....
I didn't find a thing in it that hit a false or sour note. He's right. I remember Dr. Martin Luther King taking a similar stance on violence and the need for peaceful confrontation and ending war. As I said in another post he is one of my heroes.

As a Quaker I fully agree with the comments on violence, war and armed revolt. Also, I do believe that we were sold a bill of goods by the Obama campaign which we bought out of our collective fear and desperation to have a respite from the darkness of the Bush years. Instead, Obama brought his own darkness to plunge us even further into despair and helplessness.

I am very sure I will be attacked for my remarks about Obama, but I really don't care anymore. People can call me whatever they want if it comforts them, but it won't change reality or my continued determination to speak out and point out the cruelty, lies and inconsistency I see in society at large and coming from this administration. All that happens when people attack critics is to highlight their words and give them more attention and currency than they might have had before. It does more harm to the cause that they are attempting to sell, persuade, force or intimidate others into adopting than it does to achieve any goals they might have had to begin with. Violence begets violence and cruelty begets cruelty. That is life and the way it works. If you enjoy being cruel, you are as bad as the inhumanity you seek to promote.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:33 AM
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63. I'm all for it !
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 04:15 AM
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67. The end is coming?
I can't quite bring myself to deny the possibility, or even the likelihood that this is so. I realize that we tend to be somewhat fascinated by dooms day predictions here, but so is the whole world.

Climate change is the most likely disaster to do us in. What we, in our own ignorance have created and what many continue to deny. The world is slowly waking up to the fact that we've brought disaster upon ourselves, but the enlightenment will take far too long to avert the inevitable. That's my opinion. I hope I'm wrong. I hope my children get to grow up and live full lives... but I have an inescapable feeling that we're facing either the end of the world as we know it, or the end of the human race entirely. Not immediately, not without fanfare and trumpets... but Mother Earth can only handle (or will only tolerate) this continued destruction and pollution for so much longer.

So, while corporations and health care concern me for the present, I believe that in the next decade they will matter very little, compared to what we will face. International disasters on an unimaginable scale.

I really hope I'm wrong. I really hope those idiot fundamentalists that don't believe in the disastrous effects of climate change turn out to be right, if only about this.

Then again, we could always just nuke each other into oblivion, too.

If humanity survives the times ahead, I believe the world, at the very least, will be forever changed. There are certainly likely to be far less of us living in it.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:30 AM
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70. Hedges is a decent intelligent guy. His writing has always been..............
.......good and to the point. I have noticed in his last couple of pieces that he seems to be getting more cynical (as are a lot of Americans). To label him as a "teabagger" is being as stupid as a "teabagger".
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 12:44 PM
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73. Thanks, Jackpine, for posting this. I've already read it, here and on
other sites. I am truly at a loss to explain why some posters are piling on Chris Hedges about this. I honestly think there must be another agenda. What that is, I leave for others to determine.

I think this is a brilliant piece, which gets to the heart of the problem.

But for those who, unaccountably, don't want to hear what he's saying, they might want to reflect on one thing he says in this video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x445169

"The most important aspect of propelling a society forward in a new direction, of giving it hope, is recognizing the reality that's around you. If you can't do that, you're doomed. You commit collective suicide.

End of story, in terms of bashing that article, as far as I'm concerned.

Good work, Jackpine. :)



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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 05:17 PM
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75. That is an excellent perspective.
I sometimes imagine the nation to be like an oganism, and the media its sense organs. Wat hope can an organism have for survival if its sense organs no longer comport with reality, or if its eyes and ears are focused on a million irrelevancies and thereby blind and deaf to the true dangers and opportunities in the environment?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 02:59 PM
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74. kick
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:25 PM
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76. posted to noodlebrain news, thanks for your intelligence mr hedges.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:29 PM
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77. Really appreciated reading this. Some are alright with the direction President
Obama is moving because we elected this president. For some reason we have been waiting since 2006 for this war to be brought to and end. For over a year we have ignored the people with pre-existing conditions, and now we want them to wait another four years. This indifference to the plight of others is the very tip off that our course we are traveling is wrong.

I know that those slick advertisers can move in any market and brand Obama could sell real reform, end this war, and eradicate poverty. But not in our life time. We have to take care of each other. We have to make sure we all move through this bank bailout, insurance bail out, and wars. We have each other and this is the key.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 10:38 PM
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78. Things usually get better after the revolution
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 11:45 PM
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80. KICK
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:12 PM
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85. writes well for a delusional drunk n/t
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:18 PM
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87. Chris Hedges? A delusional drunk?
Do you have him confused with Christopher Hitchens?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:20 PM
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88. lol ,uh yes i do
DOH!
:rofl: thanks...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:06 AM
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94. LOL!
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-28-10 11:00 AM
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100. I can remember the day when no one would have thought Hitchens would end up the punch line to
a delusional drunk accusation. It's amazing (and sad) what happens to some people.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:17 PM
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86. k & r nt
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:27 PM
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89. I'm not sure that building agricultural enclaves is possible.
All agricultural output is being claimed by Monsanto. Their seeds pollute everything and anything so polluted is theirs.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-10 09:20 AM
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95. he really filled his huggies with that one. sheesh.
:rofl:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 10:49 AM
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97. Check out his interview on the "Capitalism" dvd extras.
Sobering.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-10 01:16 PM
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98. Thank you for posting this.
nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 04:01 PM
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105. Yes, we must turn our backs on civilization...
"


If we build self-contained structures, ones that do as little harm as possible to the environment, we can weather the coming collapse. This task will be accomplished through the existence of small, physical enclaves that have access to sustainable agriculture, are able to sever themselves as much as possible from commercial culture and can be largely self-sufficient. These communities will have to build walls against electronic propaganda and fear that will be pumped out over the airwaves."

...says a guy on the Internet.
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