Hold The Phone... Stupak Ain't Gone Yet !!! - White House Contemplating Exec Order On Abortion...

[WillyT]

From FDL...

TNR’s Jon Cohen, who has been very tied in to the White House throughout the debate, tweets that the White House is discussing an executive order to address the situation:

Senior Dem source: Exec order on abortion rights still on the table, under discussion #hcr #healthreform

Link: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/20/stupak-deal-is-dead-obama-executive-order-on-abortion-on-the-table/

Also being reported here...

# RT @Todd_Zwillich: Hoyer: "You obviously know there's a discussion about executive order (on abortion $), where it stands, I don't know" 7 minutes ago via TweetDeck

# RT @jamiedupree: Speaker Pelosi now meeting with Hoyer, Clyburn, et al; still short of 216 - Obama speaks to Dems around 3pm EDT 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck

# MT @jonward11: Hoyer also confirms Exec Order. Intent 2 express "that there will no use of public funds for abortion." http://bit.ly/9CBbRq 9 minutes ago via TweetDeck

# RT @jcohntnr: DeGette, head of dem pro-choice caucus, told me she would consider exec order, pending details #hcr #healthreform 6 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Link: http://twitter.com/Wonkroom

:wtf:

:banghead:

[madrchsod]

1. i`ll wait till there`s more than tweets and fdl to form an opinion....

[WillyT]

2. Here Ya Go !!! - An Executive Order On Abortion? - Atlantic Online

An Executive Order On Abortion?
Marc Ambinder
Mar 20 2010, 12:33 PM ET

<snip>

The White House and Democratic leaders have discussed whether an executive order by President Obama clarifying federal policy on funding abortions might be used to mollify pro-life Democrats, still wavering less than 24 hours before the scheduled vote on health care reform legislation. Late yesterday, talks between the leader of the faction, Bart Stupak, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office broke down after pro-choice Democrats made it clear that they would not support a separate vote to add anti-abortion language to the bill itself.

Speaking to reporters this afternoon, Pelosi said that no add-on votes would be held. "Not on abortion, not on public option, not on single payer, not on anything," she said. Meanwhile, at least three wavering Democrats have publicly committed to voting yes: Rep. Baron Hill of Indiana, Rep. Bill Owens of the Plattsburgh region of New York, and Rep. John Boccieri of Ohio have said yes. The American Hospital Association became the latest trade association to jump on the bandwagon, sending out a letter in support of the legislation. But the news for the Democrats wasn't all sanguine: Rep. Tim Holden of Pennsylvania confirmed his "no" vote in a telephone call with President Obama, who is due on the Hill later today.

The most important hold-outs remain Rep. Dan Lipinksi of Illinois, Rep. Glenn Nye of Virginia, Rep. Brian Baird of Washington, Rep. John Tanner of Tennessee, Rep. Jim Matheson of Utah, and Rep. Lincoln Davis of Tennessee. Democrats need to prevent members like Kathy Dahlkemper and Chris Carney of Pennsylvania and Zach Space of Ohio from switching their "yes" votes to "no." Carney plans to announce his vote later today, Roll Call reported. The Hill reported that Stupak had at least seven Democrats who will follow his recommendation.

Outside the Capitol, a few thousand Tea Party protesters milled about, chanting "Kill the Bill." There is a report that someone threw a brick through the window of an office belonging to Rep. Louise Slaughter, the chair of the House rules committee.

Republicans have at least three different weapons to use if the bill passes tomorrow: several states attorneys general plan to sue over the so-called "deem and pass" rule; Senate Republicans plan to bottle up the reconciliation bill with amendments and procedural tactics, and, as David Weigel reports, a few members of Congress plan 10th amendment defenses, including Zach Wamp (R-TN), who said: "If we can't repeal this bill, every governor will meet them at the state line and stop them"

On Twitter, the best folks to follow are: Best health care folks to follow @taniel, @politicojosh, @daveweigel, @ezraklein, @pwire, @jeffreyyoung_hc, @dnewhauser, @todd_zwillich

<snip>

Link: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/an-executive-order-on-abortion/37779/

:shrug:

[WillyT]

3. And... Democrats Working on Executive Order on Abortion - NYT/AP

Democrats Working on Executive Order on Abortion
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 20, 2010

<snip>

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic lawmakers say party leaders are considering winning crucial support from abortion foes for health care overhaul legislation with an executive order by President Barack Obama.

The order -- which does not require congressional approval -- would be aimed at reflecting long-standing law barring federal aid for abortions except for cases of rape or incest or when the mother's life is threatened.

Democratic Reps. Henry Waxman of California and James Oberstar of Minnesota both said an executive order was under discussion by party leaders.

It was unclear whether the strategy would win support from conservative Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan, a leader of abortion foes who are opposing the health bill unless tight restrictions are included.

<snip>

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/20/us/politics/AP-US-Health-Overhaul-Abortion-Talks.html

:shrug:

[WillyT]

5. And...

Link: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&source=hp&q=executive%20order%20abortion&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

:shrug:

[harun]

4. Good.

[tridim]

6. Why does FDL even care? They're still kill-the-bill'ers.

Their opinion on this matter, or any other matter regarding this HCR bill is not welcome and should be ignored.

[WillyT]

7. Well Ok Then... Ignore The FDL Post, And Read The AP/Atlantic/NYT Posts...

Or are they part of Jane's Grand Conspiracy too???

:wtf:

:rofl:

:banghead:

:evilfrown:

[havocmom]

9. Perhaps their opinions are not welcome by you, but some of us other DEMS do care to pay attention

[WillyT]

10. THANK YOU !!! - God It Boggles The Mind, Ya Know ???

Some of our fellow DUers might be better off sticking their fingers in their ears, and shouting, "La, la,la,la,la..." until Monday morning. Then they wouldn't be bother by all the twists and turns this thing takes in the final 24 hours.

But for many of us, this is why we come to DU. We actually find politics fascinating, as well as frustrating, and tend to follow it passionately.

I do not understand the ones that deny information as it comes in. I want to know it all, and not just the information that reflects my personal hopes.

:shrug:

:hi:

[suffragette]

21. +1

[tango-tee]

27. My thoughts exactly.

Grinding my tooth enamel to a powder in the meantime....

[EFerrari]

12. Not welcomed by yourself, perhaps. n /t

[tridim]

14. The issue of HCR is not theirs. They have already completely rejected it.

That's why I don't welcome their opinion on the matter.

Understand?

[WillyT]

17. Then Instead Of Trying To Censor Others, Try Ignoring It...

That way you can spend your time posting on threads you agree with, the rest of us can get on with informing ourselves, and that way everybody is happy.

:shrug:

[tridim]

19. I never said I disagreed with the thread.

Just the source, who are consistantly anti-HCR and anti-Democrat.

[WillyT]

25. And That's Why I Posted Alternative Sources...

I first saw this in Tweets, then FDL confirmed that this info/rumor was going around, then the Atlantic, then the AP/New York Times...

Sort of a time-line thingy.

Just reporting the info as it comes in...

Believe what you will, don't with what you won't.

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

28. Actual health care reform is the concern of all progressives.

I understand perfectly. :hi:

[tango-tee]

30. Seems that no one cares if "you welcome their opinion".

Opinions are like a*sholes. Everybody has one. Some stink more than others. Understand?

[backscatter712]

8. From what I've been hearing...

the executive abortion would be yet another "Don't spend federal dollars on abortions, mmmkay?"

In other words, stuff that's already in law thanks to the Hyde Amendment, and the fact Diane DeGette is open to this says that this executive order is pretty much little more than a face-saver for a few Stupak groupies who want an out and an excuse to vote for the bill.

Stupak lost. He's not getting his coathanger language in the bill.

[WillyT]

13. Oh I Agree... Maybe We Should Call It The "Ghost of Stupak" Executive Order...

It is just a face-saver, but I'm not thrilled with the President getting this directly involved in this anti-abortion crap. And I'm pretty certain, many in the Women's Movement aren't gonna like this one whit either.

:shrug:

:hi:

[EFerrari]

11. I'm confused again. The EO would reaffirm no fed funds for abortion?

Is that the summary?

[WillyT]

15. Nobody Has Seen The Language, But It May Explain This Part Of This Story...

<snip>

The Stupak bloc is the only obstacle to passing the bill at this point. Pelosi and Stupak talked for ten minutes today. Additionally, Jeffery Young reports a cryptic, if still worrying sign:

Pro-choice female Dems are shuttling in and out of Pelosi's office and they won't say why.

Rep. Diana DeGette says "we're not happy."

Link: http://www.openleft.com/diary/17914/still-a-showdown-with-stupak

:shrug:

[havocmom]

24. That parade of por-choice Dems was the first thing I though of when this broke

Gonna need a taller bus. The bodies are stacking up down here.

[rucky]

16. The fearmongering from FDL is getting shameless.

When the White House confirms it, I'll believe it, but I can't say FDL has had the best factual track record on this issue.

[WillyT]

18. Did You Even Bother Browsing Posts #2 & #3 ???

News is moving really fast today, huh???

:shrug:

[rucky]

20. Where's the part where the White House confirms this?

[WillyT]

22. So... It's Not True Unless The White House SAYS It's True ???

New to politics are ya?

:evilgrin:

[rucky]

23. Executive orders don't come from the House.

this whole story stinks - no matter who's reporting it. If it actually happens, feel free to shoot me an "I told you so", tho.

[EFerrari]

31. I don't think it stinks yet because no one understands it yet.

lol

There's going to be more rumors. Let's try to hang on to our hats.

[WillyT]

32. Well, Could Be Just A Trial Baloon... We Shall See...

From Post #2 (Atlantic Online)...

The White House and Democratic leaders have discussed whether an executive order by President Obama clarifying federal policy on funding abortions might be used to mollify pro-life Democrats, still wavering less than 24 hours before the scheduled vote on health care reform legislation.

From Post #3 (AP/NYT)...

Democratic lawmakers say party leaders are considering winning crucial support from abortion foes for health care overhaul legislation with an executive order by President Barack Obama.

The order -- which does not require congressional approval -- would be aimed at reflecting long-standing law barring federal aid for abortions except for cases of rape or incest or when the mother's life is threatened.

Democratic Reps. Henry Waxman of California and James Oberstar of Minnesota both said an executive order was under discussion by party leaders.

Nobody said it's a done deal, but it sure sounds like they think it a way to "mollify" the Stupak Stupids.

:shrug:

[rucky]

38. You told me so.

and I'm okay with this. The EO seems sorta redundant anyways.

[WillyT]

39. LOL... It Made Sense If They Were Gonna Go In This Direction...

I just hate them having to go in this direction, and poking their finger in the eyes of loyal friends, in order to satisfy some not so loyal friends.

Some day... I hope to live long enough to see the arm-twisters putting their mighty forces on the centrists/blue-dogs, in order to get them to bend for a good liberal/progressive bill.


Financial reform, for instance.

:shrug:

:hi:

[Political Heretic]

26. Maybe I'm naive, but I call Bullshit on that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. It's another master chess move - The Cave Defense. K&R

[tnlefty]

33. I'm thinking about having a hysterectomy and mailing my uterus

to Bart since he wants to be all up in it anyway.:mad:

[Dappleganger]

34. Enough with these stupid FDL links!

Unrecc.

[WillyT]

35. Thanks For The Kick !!!

Thread had almost died before you came along.

:evilgrin:

:rofl:

:hi:

[Luminous Animal]

36. Thanks for the link WillyT.

And another kick and a rec!

[girl gone mad]

37. Looks like FDL was right, AGAIN.

But, keep doing this:



...and it'll all be okay.