From a fundy relative

[graywarrior]

""Let me get this straight. The new Health Care Plan will be written by a committee whose Chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress which hasn't read it, signed by a President who smokes, funded by a Treasury Secretary who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and financed... by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?" - Dr. Jeffrey Miron

BTW, Miron is a libertarian.

[Motown_Johnny]

and after 8 years of a Shrub for a President, this is a HUGE improvement

[mediaman007]

1. There are liberal libertarians. They are called anarchists.

[graywarrior]

2. Where do communitarians fit in?

[mediaman007]

8. Something like collectivism?

[graywarrior]

10. Communitarian definition

Noun
communitarianism (uncountable)
(ethics) The group of doctrines that oppose excessive individualism in favor of a more community-based approach

[mediaman007]

13. Sounds like living in communes! Does it work?

[graywarrior]

16. DU is a commune

Without the garden and the pot.

[Odin2005]

31. Depends on one's definition of "communitarian".

I am a libertarian when it comes to CENTRALIZED government power and hierarchy, but I am communitarian in how I see society and and local governance. I see society as a kind of superorganism.

[louis-t]

14. And conservative libertarians are 'fascists'?

I think I have that right.

[Emit]

3. Our Surgeon General is obese?

I had no idea. Is this true?

[graywarrior]

4. She's black, therefore, she must be obese.

Whatever. Obese must be more polite than what he really wants to say.

[undeterred]

6. Shes about as obese as Obama is a smoker

which is to say maybe a little but its a tiny flaw in view of the persons capabilities.

[graywarrior]

7. She doesn't look anywhere near obese to me.

[Warpy]

5. She's not built like some fashion magazine hatrack

who uses her heroin habit to keep herself thin.

She's built like a woman of some years should be built.

[Emit]

11. And from the sound of this, her message is less about dress size than it is about general health

“Americans will be more likely to change their behavior if they have a meaningful reward--something more than just reaching a certain weight or dress size. The real reward is invigorating, energizing, joyous health. It is a level of health that allows people to embrace each day and live their lives to the fullest without disease or disability.”

- VADM Regina M. Benjamin, M.D., M.B.A., Surgeon General

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/

:thumbsup:

[cilla4progress]

34. I'm more concerned about her age -

she looks 18! LOL

[sarge43]

9. From her picture she's packing a few pounds over her fighting weight,

but she's not obese. Last time I checked weight and IQ had no relationship.

[tabatha]

12. There is so much wrong in that sentence,

it is jaw-dropping that he is a Dr.

[nutsnberries]

15. thanks for the heads up,

Ill probably have that one thrown my way soon.
I've fallen off the wagon on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7894927&mesg_id=7894927. due to more crazzzzeeeeee I failed to ignore... decimated her publically and feel awful. I've been told I shouldn't becaue she really had it coming but I still need a hug.

[graywarrior]

17. .

:grouphug:

[nutsnberries]

18. thanks

:hug:

[mudplanet]

19. Are we sure he isn't just mispelling his own name by one letter?

[Turbineguy]

20. Libertarians are people

who think they'll still have the weekend off after they take over. The safety of the airline industry will be controlled by free-market forces.

[Bluerthanblue]

21. If your relative is a "cHRISTIAN" fundy you may want to ask them

if they are really in any position to be
"throwing the first stone"

or remind the that Jesus himself warned his followers
"judge not lest ye be judged"

and not to
"store up for yourself treasures on earth"

and not to
"worry about tomorrow,for tomorrow will worry about itself.Each day has enough trouble of its own."

and that if they really want to follow Jesus he said to
"go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

to consider that when asked about paying taxes Jesus said:
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
and
“Everyone to whom much is given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.”

and my personal favorite would be THIS:

One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: “Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied, “What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?” The man answered, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.’ And, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” “Right!” Jesus told him. “Do this and you will live!” The man wanted to justify his actions, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Jesus then replied with this parable-

“A Jewish man was traveling on a trip from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he was attacked by bandits. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him up, and left him half dead beside the road. By chance a priest came along. But when he saw the man lying there, he crossed to the other side of the road and passed him by. A Levite walked over and looked at him lying there, but he also passed by on the other side. Then a despised Samaritan came along, and when he saw the man, he felt compassion for him. Going over to him, the Samaritan soothed his wounds with olive oil and wine and bandaged them. Then he put the man on his own donkey and took him to an inn, where he took care of him. The next day he handed the innkeeper two silver coins, telling him, ‘Take care of this man. If his bill runs higher than this, I’ll pay you the next time I’m here.’ “Now which of these three would you say was a neighbor to the man who was attacked by bandits?” Jesus asked. The man replied, “The one who showed him mercy.” Then Jesus said, “Yes, now go and do the same.



I'm so tired of religion being used as a cover for the worst attitudes of humans, when much of the religious writings speak just the opposite of what is being used to justify greed, selfishness and hatred.

:shrug:

[bnymellon sucks]

22. Jesus????

I'd remind a fund of those mentioned things but, I'd first have to remind them that there's no such thing as god.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

36. Jesus was a Socialist.

"As you did it unto the least of them, so also you did it unto Me."

[tanyev]

23. Did this relative have any problem with the Iraq war being masterminded

and cheerled by a whole crew of chickenhawks who came up with every excuse in the book to keep themselves out of war in the 60s?

[graywarrior]

24. This relative lives in Canada

altho has dual citizenship in the US and always votes republican.

[tanyev]

26. OMG. Why is a right wing fundie living in Canada?

Don't they know they'll get infected with teh socialist cooties?

[graywarrior]

27. Not a clue that they have socialist type medical care.

Not a clue. They're pissed a gallon of paint costs them a hundred bucks due to taxes, so there ya go.

[treestar]

25. Right wingers always think they are so hilarious when they attempt comedy

But they just don't have the knack for it.

[sufrommich]

28. This is a right wing email making the rounds. Lame jokes

and cartoons are all they really understand.

[Lorien]

29. Ugh. They have no clue as to what's in the bill, it's all just shallow "attack the

messenger" nonsense. I oppose the bill because of the mandates, lack of a public option or price controls-but those are all things that free market nuts should adore. May as well tell him that he shouldn't comment on something that he's never researched.

[Robeson]

30. Libertarian says it all.

[Odin2005]

32. It takes to power of a strong centralized state to create an "unregulated free market"

because in less centralized, less authoritarian conditions local communities enforce a control and regulation of markets that develops organically.

[Robeson]

33. As a wise man once told me: Libertarianism is a great idea...

...if everybody were angels.

[Odin2005]

35. Yup.