Stupak says Dems don't have enough votes. :( rop

[LiberalLoner]

Please, don't let him be right. Oh, man, this has to pass now. Just to defeat those racist scumbags that were protesting yesterday.

[RoyGBiv]

1. Source?

[LiberalLoner]

3. Oh, sorry, oops. It was just on MSNBC and Hoyer also agrees we don't have

the votes, he says only 3 more needed of something like 8 that are undecided at this point.

[RoyGBiv]

9. John Larson says otherwise ...

...as of less than an hour ago, and he's the chairman of the Democratic caucus.

[Jennicut]

2. An Executive Order was proposed by the WH last night that would

reiterate that no federal funds would be spent on abortions under the bill: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x234054
Many of his buddies are looking at it seriously and some could have defected from him. He has no idea what he is talking about. He claimed he had 12 when he had 6 yesterday. He is a legend in his own mind and tool of The Family. He doesn't care about abortion he just is following The Family's instructions to obstruct the bill.

[LiberalLoner]

4. I hope you are right and I hope most of those 6 will vote "yes"

[Jennicut]

7. We need about 3 and I think we will have them or already do have them.

[marmar]

5. I think Bart Stupak needs to watch MSNBC....if he has enough brain cells to use the remote.

[LiberalLoner]

6. NBC just reported they have 214 of the 216 needed at this moment 0945 EDT

[LiberalLoner]

8. Anyone else tuned into MSNBC today? It's the best source I know of for updated info on votes...

[Jennicut]

12. Thanks for the updates. I don't get MSNBC.

If they need 2 more then I think that will not be too hard.

[nenagh]

14. Yes, Watching Stupak this am

did you hear him refer to abortions at community clinics?? or something similar?

[Prism]

10. They have the votes. This is manufactured drama

We're not watching "Will this pass?!" We're watching a blame shuffling. The thing is, this bill is so bad that many Democratic politicians do not want to take responsibility. They want to be able to back to their district before November and be able to declare "Hey, I didn't vote for this piece of shit!"

So this is all jockeying for position. This is about Democratic politicians pressuring Speaker Pelosi to grant them a note that excuses them from voting.

At the end of the day, there will be 216 votes. Right now, we're watching an intra-party dispute over who has to be one of those votes and who doesn't. It's a vote pageant. That is why safe politicians like Kucinich were ultimately brought into the fold, and why the hold-outs tend to be politicians who perceive their vulnerability or depend on a certain constituency for their power (Stupak and the pro-life lobby, for example).

All of this "Will they or won't they?!" is kabuki. It makes for great drama, but it's not what they tell you it is. Personally, I'm enjoying the odd mixture of politicians and media, as they serve up their propaganda performances for our sake.

They have the votes. They were always going to have the votes. What we're watching has nothing to do with reform and everything to do with how the party will configure House elections in November.

[LiberalLoner]

13. I don't know for sure that this bill will bring about good things either..I am worried..I just know

that I don't want the teabaggers to win at this point. Yes, I hate them. Maybe that makes me as bad as them, but I hate them and their racism and homophobia.

[Prism]

16. Oh, I hate them too

But I don't hate them so much that I want catastrophic legislation to pass just so I can stick it to them. I'm not that much into my team. Personally, I think really good legislation would have stuck it to them just as much.

Which makes all of this that much more depressing.

[DCBob]

18. Relax and stop listening to Stupak... he's in cahoots with the enemy.

Rep. Larson is the guy you shoud be listening to..

WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Democratic caucus in the House said on Sunday that his party had the 216 votes needed to pass President Barack Obama's historic health care bill. Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Connecticut Rep. John Larson said, "We have the votes now — as we speak."

[DCBob]

11. Stupak is playing games.. he does not know the final count.

Only Nancy and a few others close to her know and they are confident.

[tallahasseedem]

15. I hope you're right...

everytime I see him I just want to smack him upside his head.

[DCBob]

17. I hope that jerk just switches to the GOP..

He will do less damage.

[Dappleganger]

19. There will be NO VOTE unless they have enough

to get this done. Stupak can go eat a pile of his own shit.

[a kennedy]

20. Key Democrat says votes in place for health bill

Party may be set for one of most significant legislative triumphs in decades

breaking news
updated 50 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Democratic caucus in the House said on Sunday that his party had the 216 votes needed to pass President Barack Obama's historic health care bill.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Connecticut Rep. John Larson said, "We have the votes now — as we speak."

full article: <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35961584/ns/politics-health_care_reform/>

[LiberalLoner]

23. Yes, yes, yes! Oh I am so thankful and glad and relieved! Thank you!

[rurallib]

21. I can't wait to call his office tomorrow morning and call him the coward that he is

I feel sorry for his staff, but I think they will be taking the brunt of the disgust Stupak has engendered.

[gateley]

22. Got a CNN Breaking News email about a half hour ago saying we

DO have enough:

-- House Democrats have 216 votes needed to pass health care reform, chairman of House Democratic Caucus tells CNN.

God. Talk about a cliffhanger! I guess we won't know for certain until that 216th vote is cast. God.

[Dawgs]

24. Sounds just like Pennsylvania in 08!!

Remember the media, even Rachel, saying that Pennsylvania was too close to call. I believe Obama won it by 10-12 points.

I'm not buying the drama.