no president has had to endure a 24/7 'news' network dead-set on destroying him

[spanone]

that is the faux objective imho....destroy President Barack Obama.

[butterfly77]

1. You got that right..

[Donnachaidh]

2. I guess Bill Clinton doesn't exist.

:shrug: :eyes:

[liberal N proud]

8. I think this is a double down effort from what Clinton endured

It was bad, but I don't recall it being this bad.

[ixion]

22. It was bad. Lewinsky, Whitewater, Travelgate

the list goes on and on and the MSM was only too happy to parrot the talking points.

[malaise]

27. What year did that start? n/t

[ixion]

39. Travelgate was fabricated in '96

but the MSM was on Clinton from the get-go. Before FAUX there was HNN, which was more subtle, but the subtext was just as snarky.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030903915.html

[kenny blankenship]

50. The Paula Jones circus started before 1994, her lawsuit filed early 94. "travelgate" investigated 94

Whole Congressional fucking hearings devoted to the investigation in 95. The firing of the old White House Travel office personnel, who were so managerially incompetent that their records could not even be audited, happened in Spring of 93 right after the Clinton Inauguration. The squealing began immediately on all these things, first on AM radio propaganda networks. Then Congress changed hands in 94 and the Republicans didn't waste a second before trying to gin up a scandal with which to impeach Bill Clinton. With Congress now devoted to impeaching Bill Clinton or his cabinet officers or staffers, the MSM could come along for the ride, because official action on the "matters" was legit news. The fun lasted for the rest of Clinton's two terms, tapering off a little at the end.

[laughingliberal]

57. And 'Troopergate' was going on a while before that. nt

[chill_wind]

40. Quite right. And MSNBC was right in there.

Olbermann had a stint on MSNBC when it was a new network for a while (before he left and came back some years later.) You could tell he thought the Clinton-Lewinsky hysteria he had to cover and allow guests on for his corp masters night after night after night after night was **bullshit.** He's a different Olbermann, now, with a much stronger contract to handle his spot this time around, it appears. Thank god.

Limbaugh actually had a TV spot during part of Clinton's admin, too. It was non-stop hate.

[chill_wind]

44. So bad that Olbermann left MSNBC

I knew I wasn't imagining this:

When the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke in 1998, The Big Show with Keith Olbermann morphed into White House in Crisis. Olbermann became frustrated as his show was consumed by the Lewinsky story. In 1998, he stated that his work at MSNBC would "make me ashamed, make me depressed, make me cry."<28> Olbermann left MSNBC for Fox Sports Net shortly thereafter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann#Countdown_with_Keith_Olbermann

[Donnachaidh]

38. uhh no. Not really.

It was REALLY bad.

[laughingliberal]

58. Time tends to dim the memory, somewhat.

It WAS really bad. And it was really relentless from the day he took office.

[EFerrari]

29. I know. n/t

[treestar]

41. I just don't recall it being that bad

Maybe Faux was not up and running until well into the 90s?

He did have Limpbaugh going on for 3 hours per day each afternoon, though. I'll give it that.

[kenny blankenship]

52. You don't have a very good memory in that case. They came after Clinton with ROPE.

Not that I like Bill Clinton at all.

To hear the media tell it, Bill Clinton was a draft dodger, who traveled to Moscow and was a mole for the Soviet Union. Bill Clinton was selling nuclear secrets and ICBM guidance technology to Red China. Bill Clinton was not only guilty of sexual harassment but RAPE. Bill Clinton was a coke addict holed up in the whitehouse with a bowl of blow and a rocketlauncher. Bill Clinton presided over a vast network of real estate scams and drug trafficking ports of entry back in Arkansas. The list just goes on and on...

And these are things I learned not from FOX news, but from NPR and CNN and the Washington Post and NYTimes.

Oh yeah , and I forgot. As early as 1994 they were saying Bill Clinton MURDERED Vince Foster. That's how long the list of rope-worthy made up scandals & smears launched against Bill Clinton was: I could forget that the most respectable main stream media outlets acted as a relay for accusations that Bill Clinton murdered his White House counsel.

[chill_wind]

54. Three more words: Richard Mellon Scaife. You are correct about the Print Media too.

It wasn't just the broadcast media by any mere stretch.

Oh and don't forget he and his wife "murdered Vince Foster." :-/

[karynnj]

59. It was NOTHING like this

Clinton had hate radio 100% against him, but the CNN of the day, the only 24/7 cable station for most of his administration was, if anything, supportive. CNN was then owned by Turner.

As to the networks, they were on his side in 1992 - they certainly were fed up with Bush and their coverage of him was negative. As to Clinton, they showed the positive rallies and they sent the signal that his avoiding service in Vietnam was ok and that Gennefer Flowers was in the past.

The major newspapers were more liberal and far richer and more influential. The NYT magazine had a cover story filled with praise in 1990. This was the first in depth introduction many of us had to his story - before that all I would have known was the AWFUL 1998 convention speech. Now, given cuts, more and more of the news - even in major papers - is really the AP story. We all know the bias of the AP.

Now, did the media go after Clinton? The RW media was awful, but far fewer people gave it any credibility. That has changed. One moment that I remember seeing the change was in the Limbaugh "phony soldier" comments. This should have caused outrage - but in the end, it was said his decades of support for the media had to be considered before condemning him. That would not have happened in the 1990s.

[Botany]

3. Clinton had to deal w/ it too

Same with the campaigns of Gore and Kerry.

BTW Fox is no more a news network then I am an NFL quarterback

[tridim]

9. Faux wasn't even launched until 1996.

I don't even think there's a comparison. The mid-90's were SO different than 2010.

[Botany]

12. And Fox started from jump street w/ Whitewater and Monica / bj hunt

And from 1993 on there was all out effort on the right to ruin Bill Clinton.

[spanone]

11. i did put news in parenthesis

[Botany]

14. Sorry .... I should have noticed

[spanone]

16. lol....it's ok

[Codeine]

43. Mr. Pedantic says

quotation marks, not parentheses. ;)

[WhiteTara]

4. you forgot Bill Clinton

they created 2 or 3 new channels just to destroy him.

[spanone]

13. faux was just getting it's legs with the clinton scandal, they are in full destroy mode with Obama

faux just got started in 1996

[WhiteTara]

36. true. Thank whatever for Rachel

we didn't even have that in 1996. Bill was a fool to believe the pubies and Obama should really know better by now. Wasn't it Norquist who said bipartisanship is another word for date rape?

[FrenchieCat]

35. Unfortunately, Bill Clinton is the one who signed the telecommunications act of 1996.....

In essense, his signature on that bill created Fox.

So whatever Bill Clinton got, it didn't have to be.

[a kennedy]

5. yup, 24/7, destroy and defeat that's what they do best......

:mad: :puke: :grr:

[randr]

6. No president has ever had a 24/7 network cheer him on either

As did the folks at faux their bush master.

[Frustratedlady]

7. I agree, but they also did a pretty good job on Clinton.

They aren't in this business to govern unless they are in the majority, and then it is not to govern, but to manipulate the government to their advantage...their pockets. They will mow down anyone in their way.

They are a greedy bunch. Greedy for wealth and greedy for power.

[Fire1]

21. Not even close. n/t

[DFW]

10. The jobs they did on Clinton and Kerry were mere rehearsal

This is the command performance.

[spanone]

15. i was ashamed of the media after watching the Obama grilling from faux

i have never seen a sitting President treated like Obama was on the faux show last week.

not a shred of respect for the office OR the Person.

[elias49]

17. If Clinton had (really) been black

he'd never been a 2-term president imho.

[sneezepaddle]

18. Faux News will go the way of The Gong Show and The Jerry Springer Show.

Americans may be slow, but they are not stupid. Once they figure out they've been duped Glenn Beck will be doing 3 a.m. infomercials for colon cleansing.

[spanone]

19. a good chunk of americans are stupid...the teashitters have proven this to me.

[treestar]

42. Their ratings are going down -

Glenn's ratings are down, if I recall correctly.

[Fire1]

20. Without a doubt! n/t

[left coaster]

23. True that..

But let's not leave out the other corporate noise machines, CNN and MSNBC.. both Faux Lite..

[spanone]

24. but when it comes to faux....nobody does it better

[left coaster]

26. Yeah, they were the first.. and still the ugliest!

I think, though, a more dangerous, insidious harm is being done via the corporate outlets like MSNBC and CNN, because so many people still think that they are unbiased news sources..

[lunatica]

25. It's become a screaming wall of raging hate hasn't it?

I think part of it is because they truly fear that all their 'gains' during the Bush Era will be taken away. That's why they go so overboard when they criticize any person who might compel some compassion for the sick and dying. We think it's hate, but much more likely it's fear of losing ground. A lot like the gut wrenching fear we endured during Bush's eight years. They're probably more terrified than fearful.

[Frances]

28. Agree Lunatica

that Murdoch and his minions are using propaganda to stay powerful both economically and politically.

They want the U.S. to be a 3rd world country with a few people having all the money and power. That's why they want to "privatize" social security and why they support the privatization of student loans and Medicare (Medicare Advantage). That's why they have been against health care reform; even though this reform is relatively mild, it does put a foot in the door. The poorer you keep the people, the less power the people have.

[athenasatanjesus]

30. The worst thing is the perception is that he is more loved by the media then any president ever

odd how that perception comes from the media as well =p

[sendero]

31. Your memory is awfully short...

.. or maybe you were born after the 90s.

[spanone]

32. faux didn't START till 1996....and i'll bet i was born before you!

[tigereye]

33. I think if you looked at newspaper articles and radio over the last 100 plus

years, that may not be true. However, I do agree that Fox has a large hold currently.

[lpbk2713]

34. Good thing it's only Faux Snooze.

Otherwise someone might notice.


:rofl:

[Clyde39]

37. Compare to how they ALL treated Bush and you'll be sick

Keith and Jon eventually realized that the time had come to call Bush/Cheney on their disgusting policies, etc. but all the others continued to kowtow.

[chill_wind]

45. Hillary Clinton would be treated no better. They would dress her up like Chairman Mao.

Oh wait, they did that on conservative magazine covers in the 90's, didn't they?

It's amazing how many here have forgotten the absolute visceral hate there was for the Clintons.
Along with the White Supremacist hate groups, the surge of the "Christian Identity" militia groups, abortion clinic bombers and murderers and the batshit insane apocolyptic Y2Kers who couldn't wait for TEOTHWAWKI so they could blame the Clintons for the downfall of the whole human planet.

Their objective is to destroy any_perceived_liberal in power.

[spanone]

46. it's anyone opposed to their view of the world...and a member of the democratic party

[chill_wind]

47. RRR hate speech and hate-mongering. It's a deadly toxic sewage

that began flowing plenty thick and foul easily going back to Ray-gun and the level has only continued to rise unchecked under the aegis of "free and protected speech." We're now at utterly lethal levels. :-(

[mariawr]

48. I was there. Clinton had it really bad. The VRWC was also 24/7...

and took no prisoners.


However, with our President being Black, this adds a whole new dimension to their lies, hate and slander.

[jmowreader]

49. Faux was founded specifically to destroy Bill Clinton

They soent eight years lionizing Bush and vilifying every Democrat around, then went into full-scale Obama Attack Mode the second he started to look like he might want to be president.

[Initech]

51. The Fux Propaganda Network - You will think what we tell you to think!

[readmoreoften]

53. What're you, 18?

[spanone]

56. +40

[Swamp Rat]

55. Yep. It'll be worse than what Bill Clinton experienced.

At least he did not have FUX Noise after him 24/7 BEFORE he was even elected, nor do I recall disrobed KKK showing up to GOP rallies armed with assault rifles making thinly veiled threats to assassinate the President of the United States.

Obama has to deal with the recently remodeled and remanufactured 'New American Nazi Teabagger Klan' who are ready and attempting to start a civil war.