I just got a chill - Teddy is watchin and approves

[Iwasthere]

I know it isn't perfect, it's a good starting point. Teddy, I bet agrees

[Kingofalldems]

1. Yes, a good start.

[Lifelong Protester]

2. I do agree he is watching and at least has a better understanding

of the political pushpull that has to go into getting anything across the finish line. I want to think he approves.

[Siwsan]

3. A journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step

That just seems so appropriate, in this case.

[Oregone]

7. A journey without a map tends to end in a big circle

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/46608/title/How_to_walk_in_circles_without_really_trying

[Karmadillo]

8. So does a fall into an endless pit.

nt

[awoke_in_2003]

43. I spit coffee on that one...

I do love me some good snark :hi:

[Karmadillo]

47. Ha. Thanks.

:hi:

[Enrique]

4. i just got a shudder

Virginia Foxx is up. :scared:

[Oregone]

5. I also like to talk for dead people

Jesus is giggling and Hitler is frowning, believe it or not.

For the love of God, but was there one person more opposed to the NHIPA than Teddy?

[cali]

17. no need to wonder. His widow has repeatedly said

that he would have supported this legislation. Or do you think she doesn't know or is lying? Do tell.

[Oregone]

18. I think thats all he said she said guesswork. What I KNOW...

is that he fought against subsidized and mandated private health insurance when it first reeled its head nationally.

Now we can cherry pick pretty quotes of wives or make shit up aabout angels in heaven, or we can remember a little history.

[cali]

20. pathetic. Cherry pick? hardly.

and we KNOW that Teddy supported this legislation- flawed as it is. He made that utterly clear himself before his death.

Stop using him in this dishonest way. It's revolting.

[Oregone]

23. Its talking for a dead man that is dishonest and revolting

I will remember him as he expressed himself through his legislative career, objectively. And in doing so, I know that he destroyed a bill just like this by the Republicans. That is a fact, and everything in between is just feel good circley jerkily bullshit.

[cali]

30. YOU have the gall to piously whine about his widow speaking for him while

you who didn't even know him, do it?

Boy, that's some cognitive dissonance you're suffering from.

[tigereye]

26. good one, Cali!

I pretty sure he would have been pleased.

[Toasterlad]

32. Stop Pretending Politicians Don't Often Say Things They Don't Believe

First and foremost, Kennedy was a politician. Given his public history on health care issues, it's clear he would not be happy with this legislation, even if he said he was. You know, like Obama said he was for single payer, and then for the public option, and then for neither of those things?

[EFerrari]

22. Tommorrow is another day!

lol

[Gman2]

6. Teddy will be haunting their asses, till single payer passes.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Funny, I see Teddy in my mind's eye looking quite pissed off because this

is not what he wanted for the American people. He's shaking his head no.

[cali]

12. gee, another person who delusionally believes they know better

than Teddy's widow, how he would have felt about this legislation.

[Edweird]

14. Just have Newt explain it to them:

"The reality of an individual mandate (when coupled with subsidies so that insurance is affordable and market reforms so that coverage is accessible), is that it would not only address the "free rider" problem, but also serve as a tool to enhance insurance market competition. When combined with market reforms and subsidies, the mandate would help move insurers away from a business model that relies on marketing and underwriting and towards a strategy that involves competing for customers based on performance and price. This is a good thing...and something those in favor of market competition could get behind."
http://healthca.newamerica.net/blogposts/2008/reform_newt_gingrich_on_free_riders_and_the_individual_mandate-18127

[Sebastian Doyle]

10. If it's possible to vomit in Heaven

Teddy's probably filled about 6 barfbags by now. :puke:

[la la]

11. who

is 'unreccing' here---?

[Karmadillo]

13. That was Billy Tauzin. Find a crucifix and be quick about it.

nt

[Edweird]

15. Nah, that was Newt Gingrich laughing his ass off.

http://healthca.newamerica.net/blogposts/2008/reform_newt_gingrich_on_free_riders_and_the_individual_mandate-18127

The reality of an individual mandate (when coupled with subsidies so that insurance is affordable and market reforms so that coverage is accessible), is that it would not only address the "free rider" problem, but also serve as a tool to enhance insurance market competition. When combined with market reforms and subsidies, the mandate would help move insurers away from a business model that relies on marketing and underwriting and towards a strategy that involves competing for customers based on performance and price. This is a good thing...and something those in favor of market competition could get behind.

[girl gone mad]

16. Jesus, Buddha, Ghandi and King just told me you weren't there.

So...

:shrug:

[Political Heretic]

19. Teddy is rolling in his fucking grave.

[datasuspect]

25. the sound of the disconnect is PIERCING my eardrums and making me bleed

corporate populism is a plank of the democratic party platform now?

[tigereye]

28. exactly what does that mean?

[datasuspect]

29. THEY slice up and eat the pie,

we pay for it and we get some crust.

and everybody is celebrating like they got a big juicy piece.

[Lorien]

38. Your chocolate rations have been increased from 3 oz to 2.5 oz...

nt

[Quantess]

51. We're the Pepsi Generation, in red, white and blue cans!

Coke Adds Life. Have a Coke and a Smile.

[Lorien]

37. So THAT'S what's been giving me this migraine all day long

and it looks as if the answer to your question is a resounding "yes!" from half the people here, but not from us old time traditional Dems (a.k.a the hated "purists").

[Odin2005]

45. +1

[ZombieHorde]

21. I think this is the group you are looking for...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=292

or

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=214

or

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=291

[tigereye]

24. Looks like we have the votes? I was watcing basketball...

:hide:


whew. I wish Kennedy were still around.

[Maru Kitteh]

27. Teddy expressed his wishes in life, and his widow who would know better than anyone

has said that he did and would support this.


Well done.

[Lorien]

39. No, he supported single payer or at minium a robust public option

the current bill is, by Obama's own admission, very close to what Gingrich supported when Clinton attempted to pass a real HCR bill. Teddy opposed it then and he would have opposed it now.

[Maru Kitteh]

46. That's not what his widow says. I trust her to know better than others what Teddy

would have to say on the subject.

[Toasterlad]

31. First Of All: Teddy Is Not Watching. Teddy Is Dead.

Second, given Ted Kennedy's public opinion on health care, no; he would in no way approve.

[NashVegas]

41. Even If He Did

It's the same Teddy who helped give us NCLB.

His best days were long ago.

[goclark]

42. Congressman Kennedy approved it today

I heard him speak eloquently about it.

I'm sure his view would be closer to Senator Kennedy's.

[Toasterlad]

44. Congressman Kennedy Didn't Spend a Lifetime Working for Universal Health Care

Neither he, nor I, speak for Senator Kennedy. Senator Kennedy's career speaks for Senator Kennedy. And his career indicates that he would hate this fiasco of a travesty of so-called "reform".

[Bluebear]

33. Just curious, do you receive Lucille Ball & Bea Arthur in your crystal ball?

Tell them thanks for the laughs :)

[Toasterlad]

34. And Ask My Grandmother What She Did With the Punch Bowl She Was Going To Leave Me!

[Quantess]

49. This guy might know!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9302002

[Bluebear]

50. !

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. lol

[ConnorMarc]

36. I Love Teddy As Well, But He's Not Watching...He's Dead

However, WERE he alive today...I agree he would approve.

[Xenotime]

40. This one is for the Great One. The Great Lion

[Karmadillo]

48. Aslan?

nt

[Toasterlad]

52. Now THAT Is Funny.