"Pyrrhic victory"

[ProSense]

Thanks for your concern.

;-)

What Plouffe said.

[Ken Burch]

1. Was there a reason you couldn't just say "Plouffe kicked Rove's ass on tv"?

The fact that he did doesn't prove that it was no big deal to strip all that stuff out of the bill. And today is not a day to be taunting people whose only crime was standing up for their principles.

[LibDemAlways]

14. Ken, let them have their moment. It's going to be short-lived. When the

public gets wind of how badly they've been screwed over, things are going to get ugly in a hurry.

[Edweird]

2. What Newt Gingrich said, June 2008

"The reality of an individual mandate (when coupled with subsidies so that insurance is affordable and market reforms so that coverage is accessible), is that it would not only address the "free rider" problem, but also serve as a tool to enhance insurance market competition. When combined with market reforms and subsidies, the mandate would help move insurers away from a business model that relies on marketing and underwriting and towards a strategy that involves competing for customers based on performance and price. This is a good thing...and something those in favor of market competition could get behind."

http://healthca.newamerica.net/blogposts/2008/reform_newt_gingrich_on_free_riders_and_the_individual_mandate-18127

The senate bill is to the right of Newt Gingrich.

[ProSense]

10. You're quoting Newt?

:rofl:

[Edweird]

16. You're supporting Newt. The quote is the proof.

:crazy:

[ProSense]

17. No, but

you apparently are:

"The senate bill is to the right of Newt Gingrich."

Some how you found merit in his position.

[Edweird]

19. Nope, dismay at Dems supporting such a far right position. Disgust, even.

Remember, this is everything Obama CAMPAIGNED AGAINST. Now it's his position.

[ProSense]

20. Some people paid attention

and some are hypocrites since they supported Hillary or Edwards who proposed even stricter mandates.

March 2008:

The Clinton and Obama health-care plans have more similarities than differences. But where Mr. Obama would require only that parents obtain coverage for their children, Ms. Clinton would impose that mandate on everyone. The argument for such a requirement is that, without it, too many people, especially those who are younger and healthier, will go without coverage, knowing that they can always get insurance down the road. This would drive up health-care costs by shifting costs incurred by these free-riders to those with insurance, and by depriving insurance companies of premiums paid by the healthiest beneficiaries. Ms. Clinton asserts that without the individual mandate, Mr. Obama's plan would end up leaving out 15 million Americans, about one-third of those currently uninsured. Mr. Obama says the differential would be far smaller; that he would consider an individual mandate if the numbers left uninsured turned out to be too large; and that imposing a mandate at the outset is unwise because enough people will purchase insurance voluntarily if costs can be brought down.

link

[Edweird]

22. Pay attention to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoSnqofelsQ

Of course, as always, who am I gonna believe, you or my lying eyes and ears?

[ProSense]

25. I've seen it. So what? n/t

[Edweird]

26. So, is your spoken English not up to snuff or something?

Do we need the transcript?

[Oregone]

3. Is this a "call-out"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7974730&mesg_id=7974784

"concern"?

[freddie mertz]

23. It is indeed. I have used the term too.

All this creature seems to be able to feel on the day when it's favorite policy is about to pass the House is bitterness and contempt for those who wanted or hoped for something better.

A pitiful case, to be pitied perhaps, as much as anything else...

[Oregone]

24. "Precious, precious, precious. My Precious! Oh my Precious"

[freddie mertz]

27. Indeed. And it's still posting blue links against lingering "critics."

I am resigned now that the bill has passed.

Nauseated by the anti-choice shenanigans.

And moving on, to thinking about the next steps we might take to somehow improve or redeem this Frankenstein of a bill.

The last thing I need right now are blue links to WH press releases about how "great" this bill is.

It is what it is. Time for the next struggle to start.

[EFerrari]

4. So, if your side of the argument won, why are you still trying to kick posters to this forum?

Maybe you need to look up "Pyrrhric victory".

[Oregone]

5. Im thinking DU is a *game* to some people, where you score points and vanquish your enemies

[EFerrari]

8. I think that may be right. To some of us, this is a community.

To others, this is a scrimmage.

[frylock]

6. soon we'll see posts from them asking for a truce..

immediately followed by more calling out and gloating. should be real fun come november.

[ProSense]

12. "why are you still trying to kick posters to this forum?" What?

:rofl:

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[MindandSoul]

7. Pyrrhic or not. . .it's a victory. . .

And only time will tell!

By the way. . .if that victory was so worthless. . .why are the Reps fighting so hard and pulling out all their lies and fear mongering tools???

[Oregone]

9. "why are the Reps fighting so hard and pulling out all their lies and fear mongering tools"

Its not the political off season. To the contrary, another round of elections is coming.

Unfortunately, the US is almost always in some type of election cycle. It makes it difficult to slice through the bullshit

[Raineyb]

11. If you feel that way you should really look up the definition of Pyhrric. n/t

[Arkana]

13. IT IS NOT A FANCIFUL CHART! DEAL WITH THE CHART!

That will now be Rove's callsign.

[Ken Burch]

21. Really? I think "Stop Throwing Epitaphs" was the great Rovian phrase of the night.

I think that may also prove that the "Dubyaisms" were, in fact, a deliberate Rove strategy to make Dubbikins look like he was "jus' folks"(because, of course all country club types are certain the sounding like "the common man" means sounding like a moron).