Joe Lieberman's Reality: Public Is Equally Fed Up With Democrats And Republicans

[BurtWorm]

From TPM, more gas from the Holy One:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/05/post_59.php

May 01, 2007 -- 12:33 PM EST // View Comments (36) // Post a Comment

Joe Lieberman is so committed to his vision of himself as a heroic and lonely warrior battling partisans and extremists on both sides that he actually would prefer for the Democratic Party to be failing in order to sustain that vision.

Is that an overstatement? Perhaps, but only slightly. How else to interpret Lieberman's remarks at a "civility conference" yesterday:

WASHINGTON -- Democrat-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman said Monday a third-party candidate could emerge to shake things up in the 2008 presidential race unless the two major parties tackle the growing problem of "partisan polarization" that alienates many voters.

"I think the public is fed up," he said at a forum on civility and politics on Capitol Hill. "If the two major parties don't hear this going into '08, there is a real chance of an independent third-party candidacy -- and watch out if that happens."

Extremists in both parties are driving debate in the 2008 primary contests, said Lieberman, who was the Democrats' vice presidential nominee in 2000 and unsuccessful candidate for the party's 2004 presidential nomination.

The fastest growing political party in America, he said, is "no party."

But is the public "fed up" with both parties -- or only with the GOP? And isn't the Democratic Party actually growing, while the GOP is shrinking?

Lieberman's remarks betray as clearly as one could want the equal parts dishonesty and self-delusion lurking behind his repeated calls for "bipartisanship." He's so committed to the idea that both parties are equally to blame for our problems that he's simply lost the ability to perceive the simple political reality that in the broadest sense, Dems are for now basically succeeding while Republicans are failing.

Democratic party I.D. numbers are increasing:

Even more striking than the changes in some core political and social values is the dramatic shift in party identification that has occurred during the past five years. In 2002, the country was equally divided along partisan lines: 43% identified with the Republican Party or leaned to the GOP, while an identical proportion said they were Democrats. Today, half of the public (50%) either identifies as a Democrat or says they lean to the Democratic Party, compared with 35% who align with the GOP.

[Greeby]

1. No Joe, they're fed up with smarmy little shits like you nt

[MessiahRp]

2. LOL sounds like Joe is trying to position himself for yet another failed Presidential run

He'll be that hero third party candidate... the third party: United States for Lieberman, The Lieberman Patriot Party... or the I AM AWESOME! Party

Whatever the case this guy is almost as delusional as Bush.

Rp

[BurtWorm]

7. He'll have to wait until 2012

so he can run for two offices simultaneously. Job security, you understand... :eyes:

[11 Bravo]

3. Joementum, I have two requests for you. First, blow me. Second, get the fuck out of my party.

Thank you for your prompt attention to these matters.

[ejbr]

8. Well, he has already done the second

I guess the next thing you need to do is invite him out for dinner. :evilgrin:

[Phredicles]

4. I think people will even be fed up with Democrats IF they are timid and

seen as willing only to take superficial measures against our out-of-control "president". If that happens then perhaps the public may well be willing to consider a candidate from outside the two parties. But it sure wouldn't be a lickspittle like Lieberbush.

[LiberalFighter]

5. Joseph (Has no many colored coat) do the math

More identify as Democrats (from 43% to 50%)

Less identify as Republicans (from 43% to 35%)

That MAY mean that those that now identify themselves as Democrats had previously identified themselves Republicans. Why is that Joseph without the many colored coat?

[Ganja Ninja]

6. Can the good citizens of Connecticut recall this MF'er?

:wtf: The Democratic party should really be looking into it.

[HockeyMom]

9. Having been an Independent for 30 years,

let me put this in perpsective. Since Independents vote issues, not Party, if I were against the WAR, I would not vote for a Republican, a Democrat, OR an Independent who was FOR the war. Simply having an "I" after their name wouldn't mean squat if I didn't agree with them on the issues.

It seems ole Joe has no clue what an Independent is.

[ejbr]

10. If he runs, I can see it now

Joe at a debate, with nasally, annoying voice that will cost him as many votes as he gets: "All of this partisan bickering is not good for the country. First, we criticize the president at our peril, now it seems the Democrats are using partisan attacks to undermine the troops by being defeatist and not finishing the job."

Democratic nominee:"Well, Joe there are only about 30% of the public who is not criticizing the president and 56% (will definitely be more by the time of the general debates) of the public who wants time tables in Iraq. I don't see where partisanship comes into play when you have a significant number of Republicans and Independents both criticizing the president and wanting time tables." then said under his/her breath, "dip shit."

[BurtWorm]

12. You have to insert a "look" or a "listen" here and there

but otherwise, you've got it down.

[ejbr]

14. You're right

He does use those orders for people to "look" at or "listen" to him, doesn't he? I guess I should be grateful that I hate him to the core or I would feel bad about pointing out that voice which makes me wish someone were running their fingernails on chalkboard instead.

[Kolesar]

11. From the weasel who bought his visibility in politics by attacking President Clinton

and then somehow getting onto a presidential ticket. Now he laments a lack of "civility".

[Raksha]

13. Gawd, how I HATE that "both sides" argument!

It means one thing and one thing only: the cons are going down and they know they're going down, so they try to drag us down with them by claiming "the public is equally fed up with both sides." That's also the only time they start bleating about "bipartisanship" and "civility."

No, Holy Joe, the public is NOT equally fed up with "both sides"! The balance of power and support has shifted to the party YOU betrayed, and you aren't fooling anyone. So just STFU and start your third-party presidential run. I could use a little comic relief!

[iamthebandfanman]

15. hes right in a way

most people are fed up with both parties...
but if hes trying to suggest he'll run as a third party for president... HAHAHAHAHAHA! and i wish i was near joe to do that in his face 'HAHAHAHAHA!'
cause the idea that he would even think hed be successfull is just to funny for me to bare.

poor ole self righteous joe.

[earthlover]

16. Lieberman is under the delusion....

..that he won re-election because he was an independent. He won, in reality, because the Republicans voted for him.

Earth to Joe: if you run for President, the Reps are not gonna vote for you.

Delusional thinking is impervious to reality.

[Breeze54]

17. Delusional and self-important.

"I think the public is fed up," he said. :eyes:

We are 'Joke'!! With the hypocritical liars like you!! :grr:

Thanks BurtWorm!

:kick: & Rec'd

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. Well I am fed up with LIEberman! And he is an Independent, or so he claims.

[RiverStone]

19. Then why --Joe-- do you march in lock step with rethugs?!

If he says we are going the way of the Indie or "no party" - he sure has a fucked up way of showing his independence.

No Joe, we all know you are nothing but a rethug ass kissing idiot. In 08, nobody and I mean nobody is gonna give a damn what he has to say about anything! The day after the DEMS have a solid lead in Senators, is the day Joe is irrelevant.