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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:01 PM
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Is anyone else concerned that there will be violence, in the near future, as a result of this
Health Care Reform bill passing?

So far, I do not recall a single GOP Congressperson who did NOT use what, in many other contexts, would be "fighting words".

I will not take the time to cut, paste and quote exact remarks, but I have heard Democrats or "those who support this flawed and dangerous bill" called liars, thieves and cheats and assurances given that if it is passed, "our children and grandchildren" will be without health care. They state as FACTS that many doctors will quit the profession and "no one" will want to replace them; that this bill will bankrupt the nation; that this bill will accomplish a "total socialist government takeover" of healthcare.

Does anyone believe that some of those who proudly and publicly carry both racist protest signs and automatic weapons will not do "what any red-blooded American should do" and attempt to destroy some of these "socialists" who are so seriously threatening the very existence of our beloved America?

I'm not aware of any state that requires a minimum IQ score in order to own and carry a firearm. Add the incendiary exhortations we've heard today and the applause and approval received by Dr. Tiller's murderer recently and I think it unlikely that a month will pass before the seedlings planted by the GOP over the past several months will bear bitter bloody fruit.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:05 PM
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1. Not really
at least no more than we would see with any Democratic bill being passed. The assholes will whine and they will pretend to be tough and manly but they will retreat to the keyboard and Free Republic.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:05 PM
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2. No
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:06 PM
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3. They want you to worry about that.
They are cowards, and all they have is fear itself.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:06 PM
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4. Yes, I do and if violence does happen to break out....
It will blow back big time on the Republicans...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:07 PM
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5. Oh brother. This is just getting embarrassing
:eyes:

Can someone please return DU to its normal state?

Undo
Reboot
something....
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:17 PM
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15. Could I ask---seriously---that you explain your response?
Do you really feel that violence isn't made more likely by such language?
Do you think I was "inappropriate" to raise the issue?

What?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:21 PM
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21. No, no it's not 'inappropriate' for you to raise the issue
It's what the M$M expect you to do

It's their job to make you think the country is divided, that there is any difference between the two wings of the corporate money party, etc. And they've done it well apparently.

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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:35 PM
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28. So, I'm just a deluded tool that the truly enlightened are forced to endure and work around?
You have a good one, brother.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:37 PM
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29. I don't think you're deluded n/t
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:18 PM
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16. This is on Free Republic
"I’ve said it would almost be worth it to miss the rapture just to see the looks on these satan lovers when Jesus kicks his butt. The key word being "almost".

I do pray it happens soon. If not then I pray for a nuke to hit D.C. and take them all out. In fact, I’m at the point of helping the muslims take it over. Let’s see how Nancy would lie having to wear a rag over her stretched face."

There are a lot of crazy right wingers, seriously scary. I think we should be concerned, not paralyzed, but if I were a Dem lawmaker, I would be looking over my shoulder.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:22 PM
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23. Yes, yes Free Republic just totally represents a major chunk of the citizenry
:eyes:

That site is so fake it's laughable
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:38 PM
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31. How many people pulled the trigger that murdered Dr. Tiller in his church in the presence of
his family?

It just takes one, properly motivated.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:46 PM
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39. So the people who post there are "fake"? Are they puppets??
Or are they plastic? Robots? Please - tell!! I am quite interested to learn about their fake-ness!!
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:48 PM
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41. all it takes is one nut....just one. yes, I am concerned. nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:39 PM
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32. The funniest thing about Freepers is they think
that Jesus is on their side.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:08 PM
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6. Frankly I was wondering the same, will the deranged factor of protesters
consider hospitals and dr's offices now akin to abortion clinics... a lot of these people don't look/act overly swift...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:08 PM
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7. Maybe a few lone nutjobs here and there.
nothing en masse, though.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:08 PM
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8. I think we will likely have a few more individuals do crazy anti-govenrment things...
But, as a group, the teaparty doesn't have the leadership nor the balls to actually start a revolution.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:09 PM
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9. The Venom being spewed in online chatrooms
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 07:10 PM by DearAbby
scares the shit out of me...then think..they are just spewing their anger in a chat room, a release valve. As long as they are doing that, its when it festers, with no release.

But some of the stuff they spew, it's disgusting, they would rather people die, holding this thing up in courts, than to allow to to run, see what works and what doesn't, and fix it.

I have seen enough WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU LIBS, NOW! Yet there they sit. Whining in a chat room.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:16 PM
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13. I don't get these people, are they perpetually healthy, independently wealthy,
have jobs and insurance guaranteed for life, on the next bus to their heaven or what... or do they just see this as a focal point because they are such hostile, ignorant people in life they want to make everyone miserable like them. IMO the latter is true.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:11 PM
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10. Frankly ..
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 07:14 PM by AsahinaKimi
I hope the Secret Service beefs up its security a little tighter for the next couple of days.

(There, I said it, I feel better.)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:12 PM
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11. Yes, but I have said before why
and this is just part of it
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:19 PM
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17. Thanks . nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:41 PM
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34. Oh you welcome
I see this as part of the cold civil war we have been in the midst off.

Though when it comes, don't think of the blue and the gray, that is oh so last 19th century. Think street level violence like the Infitadah.

(Yes I went there, I compared some of these idiots with street level thugs, another reference, the gang wars of the 1980s)
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:15 PM
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12. I'm worried about the Congresspersons coming and going from the House
It is a sad day when we actually think that.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:23 PM
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24. I've been concerned about that too, especially with some of the incidents. This
country has changed so much since I was a kid. There seem to be more wackos running around today, or maybe it's just covered more with all of the communications we have now. We used to have 3 TV channels, 2 newspapers and word of mouth when I was a kid and the nightly news.

I imagine a lot of stuff was going on then we never head of... but... some of these whack jobs today seem to believe that freedom implies doing "anything" they damn well please, and that is concerning...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:42 PM
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35. Like that has ever happened? (Yes it has, before the civil war
a US Senator was beaten within an inch of his life)

Caned to be specific...

This is US history, not that many people realize this
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:17 PM
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14. Yes, but not organized
Some lone gunmen, but I doubt you will see cells crop up willing to commit organized assassinations and terrorism.

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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:19 PM
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18. Ramped up by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, ...
I agree ....some lone psycho
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:20 PM
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19. I'm worried about the atmosphere surrounding the passing of healthcare reform.
I'm right there with you.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:21 PM
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20. Who knows? The right wing is bat shit crazy. I hope not. nt
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:22 PM
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22. I am less woried about violence as a direct response, than I am about a complete breakdown of trust
between citizens and the government. It gets more and more difficult to believe anything that is said in Congress. And so very difficult to believe these jackasses will prevent a complete fianancial breakdown. The whole house of cards is built on trust.


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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:31 PM
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27. And on top of what you said we have this ridiculous media in this country stoking
the divides in the country for media profiteering, often spewing lies and hatred. No wounder this country is often so F'ed up anymore.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:27 PM
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25. there may well be some, but to let that stop change would be giving in
to fear... which would be kind of like terrorism.

We can't avoid the risk of doing what is right (even if it is not ideal) because of what others might do in irrational response.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:40 PM
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33. EXACTLY!
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:44 PM
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36. Never meant to suggest we should alter our agenda. But, I believe it would be foolish
not to acknowledge the danger AND criticize those who literally taunt and tease those who are already looking for an excuse to "strike a blow for REAL Americans" and shoot a few "socialists".
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:19 PM
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46. sorry Atticus, I didn't think you were suggesting we
back off. I was just trying to reinforce the belief that threats and ruthless adversaries shouldn't ever stop us.

:hi:
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:30 PM
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26. Nah. They are by and large a group of gutless wonders. Excepting, of course, lone nutbags.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:48 PM
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40. True, but...
It's those lone nutbags that are most worrisome. I am having lots of Tim McVeigh flashbacks right now.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:55 PM
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43. There have been 'lone nutbags' acting out in every presidency.
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 07:56 PM by Edweird
One dipshit with a chip on his shoulder doesn't make a revolution. Part of living in a relatively free society is dealing with the possibility someone may act out. Cross that bridge when you come to it. Living in fear is not living at all.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:38 PM
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30. ..and what of the violence that would break out if it DOES NOT PASS????
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 07:40 PM by BrklynLiberal
How is being intimidated by the fear of possible violence by the repukes and RWingers, into doing nothing or the wrong thing...how is that any different that plain down and dirty TERRORISM?????????
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:50 PM
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42. Never meant to suggest that we should be intimidated. If you knew me you would know
"that ain't happenin'"

I just believe that too many are too comfortable with ignoring the threat these people are, in my opinion, creating.

Thanks. I read your posts and know you care.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:32 PM
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47. Thank you.
Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 08:34 PM by BrklynLiberal
I pay attention to what you say, as well.


I cannot help but be drawn to your ID Name.
One of my favorite books, and movies, of all time was "To Kill a Mockingbird"
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:45 PM
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37. Yes. The Naysayers need to read up on hate radio stirring up the Rwandan Genocide.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:46 PM
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38. Yes. I have never seen anything like the intense hatred that the teabaggers and republicans
are showing now. Fox "news" has them crazy. An ad on TV claims HCR "will force unborn childrens' deaths".
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ConnorMarc Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:56 PM
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44. No...Let Them Come
Repugs are not the only ones with guns and ammunition.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 08:12 PM
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45. No. I'm not a violent person. nt
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