Um. Fellas ... this doesn't mean we have universal health care.

[Meeker Morgan]

You know that, right?

[Morning Dew]

1. Who ya callin' fella?

[babylonsister]

2. It doesn't? Now you tell me? nt

[tigereye]

26. he he

:rofl: :hi:


There are some strange OPs today...

[babylonsister]

29. Phew!

I was hoping no one took me seriesle! :rofl: :hi:

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

3. no but we are happy to take what we can get - for now

[DrDan]

6. hey . . . I got this bridge over here . . . I think you might like it

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

23. your funny

maybe you have insurance you do not have to worry about, but I do and most us us do. if you don't like the comprise find a way to do better and most of us will support you. SO WHAT IS YOUR PLAN ?

[Motown_Johnny]

4. it should get us to about 95% covered.. better than where we are at the moment

[leftstreet]

5. It's universal health insurance premiums

:hi:

[Skidmore]

7. Ummm. Guy. It doesn't mean we can't get it either.

You know that, right?

[adigal]

8. I know, but it is a start

Rome wasn't built in a day. This will be popular with Americans, and we can build on this. This is the first time anything like this has been passed. We have to be patient.

If we do nothing, there are still 45 million Americans uninsured. That is not acceptable in a moral country.

[Beaverhausen]

9. who said it did?

[cornermouse]

10. No. They don't know that. n/t.

[Orsino]

11. Yes. We knew that.

But, thanks.

[stray cat]

12. or peace on earth - you know we haven't gotten that yet either?

[Bettie]

13. It isn't universal, but it is a starting point.

Perfect? No.

The best we could have hoped for? No.

But it is a start, a place to work from.

[rucky]

14. um, yeah. I'll need you to come in this Saturday

and finish those TPS Reports. M'kay? Greeeeat.

[TK421]

28. Didn't you read the cover letter?

[madrchsod]

15. that fact goes right over their teabag heads and yes....

we did`t get medicare for all but look at the upside...the democratic party will be flush with cash for at least the next 6 yrs.

[City Lights]

16. Um, we're not all fellas, and yes, we know this is nowhere close to universal health care. nt

[kenny blankenship]

17. Yeah, but we are agreeing to subsidize insurance companies in perpetuity no matter what

so there's that.

[liberalhistorian]

18. Nope, it sure doesn't, the very opposite as a matter of fact.

Health INSURANCE and health COVERAGE is NOT and DOES NOT GUARANTEE needed health CARE. Period. Health INSURANCE and health CARE are two totally different things. And health INSURANCE and this corporate giveaway bill, does nothing to prevent financial ruin due to illnesses, denials of needed care, medical bankruptcies, etc.

Entrenching the for-profit profit-before-people insurance industry that only makes profits by denying care any way they can is the absolute WRONG way to go.

I don't want health INSURANCE reform. I want health CARE reform. A huge difference.

[Ikonoklast]

19. Yeah, lets stay stagnant.

Trying is too hard.

Even though the votes were never there for Single Payer, or a Public Option, lets pretend they were and complain we didn't get what was never attainable anyway.

[mvd]

20. There was never enough effort to get the public option

And there STILL hasn't been a vote on it, so who knows how many votes it has. A PO is something that is necessary to any final reform, IMO.

[Ikonoklast]

22. I'd rather support Grayson in his separate effort for the Medicare buy-in bill.

Seeing how difficult even this most basic of reforms has been, approaching this from a different angle just might work.

[mvd]

25. Either one would be a step up, IMO

We just need pressure like we have had the last few days.

[Political Heretic]

21. Yea, but people prefer some short term gains and ignore the long term harms and losses.

Right now its political victory, it makes insurance easier to get for a bunch of people - who gives a shit if in the long run it takes those benefits away as premiums and cost of care continue to exponentially rise, causing more families to hit out of pock caps and face premiums - even after subsidy - beyond what they can afford.

Years from now, we'll be right back where we started with the same health care crisis.

But fuck that, because today its PARTY!! :party: woo hoo! Rah rah rah! Democrats "win." Republicans "lose!"

[Xenotime]

24. It means we pass HCR. This can do wonders to change America.

[Swamp Rat]

27. It means we are a lot closer to getting universal healthcare than ever before, and the GOP will lose

BIG TIME next November. :D

[UTUSN]

30. Is there some gender problem by addressing "fellas"?!1 n/t

[WeekendWarrior]

31. Uh, who said it did? nt