Why? are these men so crazed about abortion?

[G_j]

I really don't get it. I know they could give a dump about life, because they love war.

[charlyvi]

1. One Word

Control.

[Barack_America]

34. +1

Nothing more need be said, really.

[calimary]

65. +2!

[madokie]

73. +3

[BrklynLiberal]

41. BINGO!!!!!!!!!! Exactly!

[sakabatou]

54. Exactly

[rurallib]

2. and few of them have ever been pregnant.

[mooseprime]

3. i still don't understand

why men even GET a vote on abortion.

[G_j]

14. exactly!

[Chulanowa]

25. I still don't understand why it's a voting matter in the first place

n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

49. Neither do I. It's a freakin' medical procedure.

[roguevalley]

56. I wish there was some incredibly private and incredibly important man

thing we could take away from them, one that threatened lives and the like. I wish it could be so when this comes up and some pinch-faced manfucker goes off on it.

[RT Atlanta]

74. take away the boner-pills

(or at the least, having insurance pay for the pills) and require by law that all men have to see graphic images of a non-erect member, together with requiring spousal/partner consent before prescribing the pills, along with a 48 hour-7day waiting period before first use, and close by allowing pharmacists the right not to fill the prescription for conscientious reasons (who wants to think of a fat, wrinkly old man getting it on?) and that should be a good start toward balance. :)

[ClaireF]

76. and the prescription

is only available from the stand-alone 'erectile dysfunction clinic' located beyond a line of protesters.

[bluethruandthru]

77. HAHAHAHA!

Good one! Welcome to DU! :hi:

[LiberalFighter]

80. Require them to get a license to have sex? And place very heavy restrictions?

[Rage Inc.]

63. Because we actually have TWO brains!

Okay, admittedly, the more southerly one makes most of our decisions, but hey!

[Drunken Irishman]

4. BECAUSE THEY WANT MORE POOR.

[liberalmuse]

5. The anti-women voters are their largest block.

They're playing to emotions right now. It's disgusting. They don't give a fuck about women, babies or human life, for that matter. Almost every fucking vote they've cast in the last two decades proves that fact.

[doc03]

6. They are not, it's all political theater. n/t

[Kitty Herder]

7. They want to control the means of reproduction.

They think they own us.

[liberalmuse]

8. The anti-women voters are their largest block.

They're playing to emotions right now. It's disgusting. They don't give a fuck about women, babies or human life, for that matter. Almost every fucking vote they've cast in the last two decades proves that fact.

[Haole Girl]

13. +1

It's all about control.

[tnlefty]

33. Thank you for stating this as anti-women!

Just thanks.

[Lyric]

9. They have uterus envy.

:hi:

[pnwmom]

10. Why? Because they can be sanctimonious about this "sin" because it's the only

one they can't personally commit. It's much easier to condemn a "sin" that will never tempt you.

[G_j]

20. good take nt

[Fuzz]

11. It's my seed!

[babylonsister]

12. Because that's all they have. They didn't chose to fight this while

it was happening (HCR) so they're grasping at any effort to make it look bad now.

[G_j]

24. true

it's all they have

[CBR]

15. I swear they are the nastiest people.... nt

[Cirque du So-What]

16. If men could get pregnant

getting an abortion would be a sacrament.

[Chulanowa]

28. If men could get pregant...

We;d be marching to war over the pickle fields of Poland.

[tnlefty]

39. As my hubby says, 'if men could get pregnant there would

be an abortion clinic in every 7-11 (convenience store for those who don't know).

[nini]

17. because that's all they have left to fire up the nuts

They have NOTHING else but abortion and the gays to get the ignorant shit holes in line.

I hate them.

[MUAD_DIB]

18. It's showmanship for the crazy-wing of their party.

Without the crazies the GOP will always be the party without any chance of a majority.

So they cater to hate and ignorance.

[Spazito]

19. These fuckers care about the 'unborn' but have no problem trashing...

an 11 year old child who lost his mother and dares to disagree with them.

They are BEYOND contemptible, I despise them.

[DURHAM D]

21. Because they are no longer allowed to openly own slaves. nt

[liberal N proud]

22. Pure politics

Nothing MORE!

[housewolf]

23. What a GREAT question! n/t

[arthritisR_US]

26. because they've never had a bowel movement the size a football. n/t

[corpseratemedia]

27. Having a weirdo encounter with a teabagger recently,

their lives revolve around hating women, period. All day long, all life long, hating women. Weird.

[upi402]

29. Oh come on, they don't discriminate

They are equal opportunity haters (except other rich white men of course).:evilgrin:

[Cleita]

30. The war thing might be a clue. They need more barely grown to adult

children to send to war.

[notadmblnd]

31. I don't understand that either?

I know so many women whose babies daddies have walked away from their obligations, one would think that they would be clambering to make abortion mandatory.

[G_j]

35. wouldn't be surprised if they've paid for a few abortions themselves nt

[monalisa]

32. It's not just men....

I happen to admire Bart Stupak for standing by his guns. Too many people on both sides of the aisle use genuine concerns of Americans as political footballs, never intending to stand up for those people, only using their outrage for political leverage. Mr. Stupak was willing to work with his colleagues to assure that his constituents were being properly represented. For those who are wondering--I am for a women's right to choose, but believe we should never use federal funds to give her that choice. The reason is simple: no one should be forced to have their tax dollars pay for something that they beleive is morally wrong. We must respect others' deeply felt convictions, if we expect them to honor ours.

[notadmblnd]

38. Morally wrong. Who are you to decide what is and is not moral?

is it more moral for these unwanted children to come into this world to suffer poverty and abuse? After all we can't have your tax dollars going to support them financially. How many times have you read a story when some child has been abused to death. Why is you people only care about children before they're born? Once they come into this world, you could all give a shit what happens to them?

[monalisa]

55. I'm not judging...

The only person who gets to decide what is "morally right" for me is me. Same for you. Same for someone who believes abortion is murder. Thanks for making my point for me. I AM pro choice, and as such I believe we should, as women, be helping each other by financially supporting programs that give poor women access to abortions, rather than rely on federal dollars. Oh, btw, who is "you people"?
I am FOREVER annoyed by conservatives who use provacative language and generalisations to marginalize the opinions of their political opponents. I would have thought to see more thought out, intelligent discussion here.

[notadmblnd]

57. So spending your private dollars not morally wrong?

how many women have you helped and why do you have no moral problem using your private $$ but not tax dollars? And you say my answer was not well thought out. :rofl:

Welcome to Du and enjoy your stay.

[monalisa]

64. MY tax dollars are fine...

It's those who DON'T beleive in abortion who I beleive should not be forced to having the money THEY give the gov't used for abortion. My argument is thus: Instead of using our energies to try and get abortion for poor women federal funding (that is funding coming from all tax-payers), we should be lobbying for a federal funding system that allows such funds to only be contributed by those who want their money to go for abortions. This has been done with campaign contributions and other concerns(check the box on your tax return if you want a certain amount to go to campaign funding or wildlife preservation), why not abortion? Just a thought.

[Amonester]

69. I believe all "wars of aggression" and "regime change" for oil

to be morally wrong, but my family's tax dollars are being used on these illegal wars without my consent.

Why sould my morally wrong continue to be ignored (like it is...) while theiR morally wrong should NOT be ignored??

[Control-Z]

70. So I get to opt out of

war spending since I believe war is morally wrong. And any other tax I don't like?

You keep saying you're pro-choice.

I don't believe you.

[monalisa]

71. I will fight with everything I have for your right to choose abortion...

I am pro choice. I would love to have an "opt out" choice for those who believe abortion is murder. IF I held that stance, and I DON'T, I would hope the gov't wouldn't force me to contribute to something that I believe is murder. There is too much scientific and medical uncertaintly about when life begins. That being said, I do believe a woman has a right to choose. I also believe that she has certain responsibilities that go along with that right (like not expecting someone who disagrees with her because of a strongly held moral and religious conviction to help pay for it.)

YEARS ago, (about twenty, I would guess), I walked into an abortion clinic with a friend and held her hand while she made her choice. No one else, not her family, not the sperm donor, NO ONE would support her in this. I will ALWAYS support a woman's choice to have an abortion, just don't agree on how it should be funded.

Why is it in this country we are always trying to polarize everything?

[G_j]

40. thanks for your answer

I would only ask that you consider what peace activists have had to endure with their taxes.

[BrklynLiberal]

44. WHEW! What a great point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dmr]

45. I don't want to pay for war, nor for an out of control defense department

Welcome to DU.

[Lyric]

46. Oh good. I don't want my tax dollars paying for war, weapons, or supporting capitalism.

I especially don't want my tax dollars EVER to be used for the death penalty, or even to aid a STATE that has the death penalty, because if they spend MY dollar on roads, that's one more of THEIR dollars they can then use to go commit murder.

So where's my Hyde Amendment? I've got a whole freaking LIST of immoral crap that I shouldn't have to help pay for ever again. I'm sure you'll be right there with me in solidarity. Right?

Welcome to DU, by the way.

[rgbecker]

48. Does that hold for financing War? Or the death penalty?

That would mean I shouldn't be forced to pay for those portions of my taxes. I think the country would last two minutes if we ran the place like that.

[KonaKane]

50. So how about no federal funds to enforce civil rights?

After all, there are some out there who are racists and who do not believe in equality under the law for all races. Forcing their tax money to sustain what they would term as immoral behavior is wrong, correct?

Or how about no federal money for defending a Marxist who's speech has been infringed based on his politics? Surely much of the public has a moral problem with Marxism so it's not right to allow their tax money go to defend his right to speak, right?

How am I doin' here?

[monalisa]

59. reply

Difference between the pacifist argument and abortion argument is THIS: Federal funds are used to defend us ALL from foreign aggressors (Yes, I am as outraged as many in this country, and I highly suspect on this board, over how recent administrations have seen fit to put us to war without our consent, and I believe that needs to change), while I believe that abortion is a highly personal matter. A highly personal matter for those who beleive they have the right to an abortion (Again, i am one of those), and those who beleive abortion is murder. Until we can figure out how to "federally fund" abortions for poor women without impinging on the rights of others, I think we need to keep federal dollars out of it. When we can figure this out, I'll be the first to support it. As for the "racist" argument: I think we need to treat those who believe that others are racially inferior in a different way than those who think abortion is murder. One is a scientifically unsupportable bunch of hooey, the other (when life begins) is still a matter of much debate and uncertaintly.

[G_j]

72. "Federal funds are used to defend us ALL from foreign aggressors"

I don't believe that for one minute.

[LeFleur1]

58. Well, In That Case...

I don't want my money spent for wars or war materials.

[notadmblnd]

60. or welfare to corporations!

[Beaverhausen]

61. well, I think war is morally wrong. So I think our tax dollars should not go to pay the cost of war

Abortion is legal in this country, and it is a medical procedure. You might need that reminder before you go.

[monalisa]

66. I AM PRO CHOICE

I don't need the reminder that it is legal and a medical procedure. That much is obvious. My point is THIS: I don't like it when other people try and cram their beliefs down my throat. We are doing exactly that when we use federal funds to pay for abortions. Find a way to make sure that those people who express they don't want their tax money used to fund abortions will not be forced to do so. That is all. I am not the enemy here, just looking at things in a different, hopefully less emotional, more rational, way.

[pipi_k]

79. There are so many things

people can view as being "morally wrong" that, if we were to try to be fair about it and never use anyone's tax dollars to fund those things, there wouldn't be much being funded.

What about people who think that drug and alcohol problems are moral failures? Should they get a choice as to whether or not their tax dollars fund treatment programs?

Or how about obesity...some people think that's a moral failure. Why should their tax dollars fund education programs?

Many of us feel that war is morally wrong. Still, our tax dollars go toward funding wars.


We don't get to pick and choose where our tax dollars go. Moral "wrongness" is such a subjective thing.

[monalisa]

83. I think in the case of abortion, we need to..

Simply because it is such an emotional issue for so many people. Also, when I say "morally wrong", I mean deeply held convictions regarding life or death.
There is another reason that this would be beneficial. It would take alot of the wind out of pro-lifers sails. Seperating tax dollars from abortion would strengthen the position of poople like you and me, who support a woman's right to choose.

[Kalyke]

81. So I can earmark all my taxes so that they do NOT go toward war?

You know... because I believe that's morally wrong.

:hi:

[monalisa]

85. I would support your right to do that...

Where are you protesting today, and are you using the fact that you are paying tax dollars to the war effort as a basis of your protest?
Seriously, I think you are right. Unless the US is being directly attacked we should not be waging and funding wars overseas.

[Cid_B]

36. Hyperbole aside...

... and also setting the political considerations aside...

Men or women who consider abortion to be the murder of a baby feel that not being able to produce a child doesn't exempt them from trying to protect the baby.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

86. But IS it? -nt

[Xenotime]

37. All rethugs love war

[Skittles]

42. it's a beloved repuke wedge issue

[dmr]

47. That's it in a nut shell

[notadmblnd]

51. along with immigration and gay marriage.

[one_voice]

43. MSNBC.....

Luke Russert is reporting that a republican with a southern accent shouted at Stupack...

He called him a baby killer...they're trying to find out who it was...

[NightHawk63]

84. My money's on Gomert Pyle!

That so sounds like something that douche-nozzle would do!

[Odin2005]

52. Because they are afraid of dark people having more kids then white people.

[LT TX]

53. I don't get it either.

I just told my husband I love it when old white men talk about abortion.

[treestar]

62. I'll never get it

Why it is so important to them.

There are 5 billion people on the planet, post-born, and they could not care less about them.

[alfredo]

67. Roe Vs Wade affirmed a right to privacy in our constitution

They don't give a shit about the unborn, they want to abort the right to privacy.

[Control-Z]

68. It is the one and only

power/strength/ability that a woman possesses exclusively over man. Men cannot get pregnant, and without laws or force, they have no control over whether a woman carries her pregnancy to term or not. Even after he has planted HIS seed. Even with laws preventing choice. A woman will find a way to end a pregnancy she doesn't want. And these men hate that. They hate our power.

They want control.

[Deep13]

75. The issue hits them close to home because they were all aborted.

:shrug:

[MellowDem]

78. To them, it is "just war"...

and abortion is the murder of innocent, vulnerable babies. And for many of the reps, it's also a stance they must have in order to be part of the Republican Party, regardless of their personal feelings.

[LiberalFighter]

82. Require churches that are against abortions to pay a tax based on their members.

Exempt anyone that is not a member of a church or is not a member of a church that is against abortions from abortion restrictions.

Require anyone that is against abortions by faith or belongs to a church that is against abortions to pay for the child birth without insurance coverage.