Nancy Pelosi's concession to the demand of impeachment proves we should never accept the word NO

[shance]

Seems to me this is a great example for us to keep in mind when those in power are telling us to 'fuggetaboutit'.

Even when we are bombarded with hearing something will never happen, and it's impossible and the Media Industrial Complex is trumpeting this message, when its not in our best interest to accept what they are saying, we should not accept it.

We shouldn't ever bow to those who are telling us to accept what we see as being unacceptable. Especially when many in power are telling us to "get over it".

Individuals like Cindy Sheehan and a host others are wonderful teachers in this regard.

Even when the "majority" seems to be blindly following the crowd, and even if the crowd seem to resemble lemmings headed for the cliff,

That doesn't mean we should follow them because it looks like "everyones doing it so it must be the right thing to do".

Just a consideration I came to after reading this news of Pelosi's change in her impeachment tune.

It shows the efforts of many Americans is finally waking those in Washington up......hopefully.

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[AndyA]

1. Nancy changed her mind about impeachment being off the table?

Where did you find out about this? I missed it, and would love to see it. It would make me feel a lot better about the Dems in Congress.

[rodeodance]

7. You did not miss anything.

[leftchick]

2. please fill me in shance

I have not heard anything about this.

[saltpoint]

3. I stand with Nancy Pelosi.

All things in good time.

[rasputin1952]

4. It is all about timing, and sometimes, when given enough time...

the noose tightens further, w/o much help...:)

[saltpoint]

5. The woman's been on the job for 3 and a half months and has

marshalled Congressional Democrats in efforts to erode the president's war authority.

She's done a magnificent job in almost no time at all.

[rasputin1952]

27. I agree 100%, she has done an incredible job, and I haven't

seen any gaffe's yet, nor do I expect to.

There will be some rough parts in the road, but she has done a truly remarkable job in a very short period of time. When one compares that with the previous "leadership" of the GOP House, and the "do nothing" congress, she has done extremely well.

As time goes by, she will only get better at cornering this administration, fueled by the knowledge that this is the worst administration this nation has ever seen....:)

[saltpoint]

30. Hi, rasputin1952. I think that's right. Pelosi strikes me as having always

gained momentum and ability. It's only going to become more refined and sharp as she gathers steam in the House.

And there is a good chance that we will send her more Democrats in 2008, too.

[rasputin1952]

32. Unless the D's do something incredibly stupid...

they should hold power well into the future. The GOP is toast, it is no longer the Republican Party, it is the neo-con party, and they have destroyed the GOP. I wonder what Eisenhower would think of this party? I know what Goldwater said before he died, he said this wasn't the Republican Party, it was a trainwreck.

bush and his croneis have set up the D's for a generation, and if Congress starts dealing w/domestic situations, we could have a century of D power...:D

[rodeodance]

6. Pelosi has NOT changed her mind. Her office said She is NOT tallying counts

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. And if you beleive that I have a bridge

each of those calls is wroth about 100 votse

They are doing this the way they did watergate, this is just the begining, and anybody who studies hsitory knows it

Now brutally honest, they don't... they will loose the American people and rightly so

[rodeodance]

9. I am not saying we can not try (but right now her mind has NOT changed)---that is my

point.

I sent a letter yesterday myself.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Make a call

I did, takes five minutes

And I am not sure it is made.... it depends on whether the floodgates opened or not (and whether they have the ducks in the damn row)

but if in the end they do nothing over this... they will loose the Ameircan people and RIGHTLY so...

(and my prediction is that we will see the rise of two new parties at that point, one to replace the dems and one to repace the pugs... and that is the rossy scenario)

[saltpoint]

11. Respectfully disagree. Democratic registration and voter-identification

is way up even from 06, and Pelosi is the strongest Speaker we've had in years. Gephardt? Foley? Neither had it together the way she does, and neither had the charisma and capability she has.

The Democratic Party is the strongest it's been in many, many years.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Yeah but people also want accountabitity

if the pubs impeached over a private sex act, people want these guys tarred and feathered for this, so far we have lost 3335 people iirc, and the number keeps chanign... 105 in April alone

[saltpoint]

13. Each part of what you say is so. But none of it adds up to impeachment

by this Friday.

All things in time.

Let the Democratic leadership do its work. We've only been in the majority for 14 weeks, for christ's sake.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. I did not say this friday

in fact I am all for investigating them and I know they are following the same script they did follow in 1972-3

But if in the end the perception is that nothing happened, mark my words, the cynicims will grow as well as the distrust for both parties

Hey one already lost it, to the point they are distancing themselves from the brand Republican... in fact that party might, just might be doomed, but I don't count on that either

[saltpoint]

16. Actually, I believe you are right about the Republicans. They are the

ones seen to be spinelessly backing Bush on Iraq.

Pelosi and Reid have put bills on the president's desk to end the war. It's McConnell and that bunch -- and JOE LIEBERMAN -- who are still pimping for unended occupation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I'm not talking about the ones in Congress

notice how many libertarians who are no longer calling themselves rebublian are croppng up?

[saltpoint]

23. On the Libertarians -- I hear you. I recall the John Anderson campaign

in 1980. He got quite a lot of libertarian votes. At that point people were definitely not ALL persuaded that Reagan was the Great Savior, although disappointment with the Carter administration ran deep, especially among the Kennedy wing of the party. Ted Kennedy's challenge to Carter didn't take the strong hold I thought it would, but believe me, it wasn't for lack of effort in my district.

"If Ted Kennedy runs," Carter said before the primaries, "I'll kick his ass."

Anderson was too much of a Republican-Libertarian for me, but he siphoned off a couple Democrats in our group. I don't begrudge them their decision, but it reinforces the point you make about Republicans now considering themselves "Libertarians."

It's going to be a wild primary season coming up.

[EFerrari]

15. I don't believe Speaker Pelosi has changed her mind about impeachment

but then, I don't believe I ever have known what her thinking was. Nancy Pelosi is a consummate politician and imho, we're so very lucky she is Speaker right now.

And, I will do everything in my power to forward impeachment. My job isn't to be her fan, my position is as one of her constituents.

We demand impeachment. And we will continue to do that. Nancy's district is exploding. This isn't an act of aggression against her; this is the logical consequence of living under the illegitimate Bush regime for the last six years.

We can do no less in good conscience.

[saltpoint]

18. Nancy Pelosi hears from you on this, from me on this, and from all her

constituents, and my guess is that Mr. Bush's removal is a justified notion in those communiques.

No argument there, sfexpat.

But in 14 weeks she and Reid have done some remarkable work. I'm edgy around people who consider their efforts pointless or misdirected.

We just bashed the castle door down. But the fortress is not yet under out control.

It will be.

[EFerrari]

20. I understand. My small personal worry is

this country has moved so very far to the right, we need to find a way to anchor the left, if it can be expressed in such terms.

I put my money on Nancy AND continue to give her feedback. Don't know if that makes sense.

[saltpoint]

24. It not only makes sense, it makes good sense, and has the strong, true

scent of excellent citizenship to it as well.

So there. :toast:

[EFerrari]

25. Lol. Old Crusoe, you could run a tank right over Nancy Pelosi.

And, you'd be really sorry. :toast:

[saltpoint]

31. Agree. She's a tough customer. I loved her when she was my Congresswoman

and love her more that she's our Speaker.

I liked Dick Gephardt ok. But I love Nancy Pelosi.

[Peace Patriot]

17. Would someone please tell me what this is about or provide a link?

Pelosi said something that hinted at impeachment being on the nightstand, at least, if not on the coffee table with the big picture book about American history (signing of the Declaration of Independence, Constitutional Convention of 1775, etc.)??

[Poiuyt]

21. There is a post about Speaker Pelosi taking a poll about impeachment

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x790622

Whether or not she is actually soliciting opinions is in question, but it certainly doesn't hurt to call her office. It took me 13 seconds.

[dragonlady]

19. Maybe she WANTS to get lots of pro-impeachment letters

It would look terrible if she were out in front on this. (We can say "Pelosi for President 2007" but she can't even get close to hinting at it.) But with many, many expressions in favor of impeachment from the citizens, and solid, well-publicized evidence brought out in the ongoing hearings, THEN it's time to move forward. :patriot:

[MasonJar]

26. In Kentucky it is approximately 5:40. I just called the switchboard .

I got Pelosi's office and told the aide that I was for impeachment; I then hung up and called my rep, John Yarmuth, and left the same message for John with his aide. You can get through if you call now. (May Day) (in more ways than one)

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. Which concession would that be?

:shrug:

[onenote]

33. the imaginary one in some people's heads

those that are easily taken in by misleading posts, I guess.

[knight_of_the_star]

29. We need to build up momentum

The worst thing the Dems could do is attempt to impeach and fail to nail the fucker in the Senate. We have to make damn sure we have Bush nailed to a wall AND his own party is bailing out on him before we can finish him off.

[Rev. Mother Ramallo]

34. Where is Cindy these days?