A black man with a foreign Muslim father and Muslim sounding name could never be elected president.

[Fumesucker]

And single payer health care could never pass Congress..

Honestly, if you asked me five years ago I would have said the first scenario was even more unlikely than the second one.

Does it strike anyone else as a little odd that the same party and people that elected Barack Hussein Obama POTUS has been screaming that single payer health care is a crackhead's dream?

[Richardo]

1. It took 219 years for that President to take office

Things take time. You don't have to like it.

[Fumesucker]

2. Would you have believed in 2005 that Barack Obama could be elected POTUS?

Remember that * had just been sent back to the Presidency at that time, with more votes than he got the first time.

Edited to add: And strangely enough single payer health care has been waiting 219 years also.

[Oceansaway]

3. and 219 votes for HCR !!...n/t

[Oregone]

4. I pointed out how its odd that someone accepted as a political genius is perceived as too impotent

to campaign successfully for single payer health care by his most adamant and loyal supporters.


That or they are just toeing the party line and trying to resolve incongruities.


Thats something that frustrates me. Ive seen how people react to him and what he has done politically. I saw a mass of 60K plus people gathering around him out of hope (but to be honest, in Portland Oregon, they may of been hoping for a few different things than they are getting). But he can move people and the nation. He can readjust the political spectrum that has shifted to the right. Instead, its like he is trying to shape policy as to what will fly in the current atmosphere instead of dramatically changing it. I don't get that. Does he not want to?

[Fumesucker]

6. Personally I think Obama got very close to what he wanted in the bill..

I don't think he had any intention of having a public option and I think he had every intention of having private mandates.

[rocktivity]

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[Quezacoatl]

9. 2004

I, like a lot of people, started to believe it after his 2004 speech.

I think the latter was more likely than the former because Obama was elected by the people but single payer is passed by politicians. I have more faith in average people than I do in politicians.

However passage of HCR is a step toward single payer. It will happen one day.

[On the Road]

10. The Difference is

that the Democrats could barely scrape enough votes for the current watered-down version. Would a Clinton-style defeat be preferable, and would it lead to a better bill in the next ten years?